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| ČSA to launch flights from Prague to Zagreb, Sarajevo and Skopje in 2016 |
ČSA Czech Airlines will resume services to the former Yugoslavia in 2016, more than three years after it suspended flights to the region. Jan Toth, ČSA's Director for Commerce, Alliances and Marketing, said yesterday that the airline plans to resume services to Zagreb, Sarajevo and Skopje this coming April and May. It marks a shift in policy for the airline, which in September said it had carried out a number of feasibility studies which showed that none of its previous destinations in the former Yugoslavia would be commercially viable. All of ČSA’s routes in the region were suspended in an attempt to curb losses, as the airline started putting a greater emphasis on point to point passengers rather than those transferring through Prague.
Speaking at a press conference, Mr Toth said the airline plans to operate year-long flights to Zagreb, while Sarajevo and Skopje will be served on a seasonal summer basis. According to the airline, the flights will be scheduled so as to depart Prague in the evening and return the next morning. They are yet to be put on sale. Last year, Zagreb Airport's former Managing Director, Gonzalve de Cordoue, said the airport was in talks with the Czech carrier over its possible return to the Croatian capital. In September, Czech Airlines' spokesperson, Daniel Šabík, told EX-YU Aviation News, "Czech Airlines in 2010 or 2011, when it used to operate scheduled flights from Prague to Ljubljana, Zagreb, Belgrade and Skopje, and Czech Airlines in 2015, are two different companies with different destination networks". He added, "Czech Airlines has undertaken a long and difficult restructuring, which has been approved and monitored by the European Commission. At the time, the company closed most of its unprofitable routes or those that no longer made sense and did not coincide with its plans. Czech Airlines used to focus on passengers transferring in Prague. Those travellers made up 75% of all passengers carried. During restructuring, Czech Airlines' passenger structure changed, as the company began to focus on point to point passengers. That’s why flights such as Skopje - Prague, which were fed mostly by transfer passengers, no longer made sense and were the first to be suspended".
Czech Airlines began its withdrawal from the former Yugoslavia in 2011 when it terminated its double daily flights to Belgrade. It followed suite with the closure of its six weekly Prague - Skopje service in 2012. Shortly after it relegated its flights to Zagreb and Ljubljana to its regional partner Central Connect Airlines (CCA). However, in the summer of 2012, CCA declared bankruptcy and ceased all operations. Zagreb was ČSA’s first international destination, launched back in 1930, with services operating on and off until 2012. There are currently no flights from Zagreb, Sarajevo and Skopje to Prague. On the other hand, both Adria Airways and Air Serbia serve the Czech capital from their respective hubs, with the Slovenian carrier maintaining three weekly flights on the route this winter, while its Serbian counterpart will operate ten weekly services.
Good. Congratulations to all three.
ReplyDeleteGreat news. Not so great for Croatia Airlines. They were planning Prague as part of their expansion next year.
ReplyDeleteNot so good for Air Serbia as well (regarding PRG-SKP route)
DeleteYou could say not good for Adria either but I think people here grossly overestimate the number of transit passengers from the region. In fact I can tell you there are more Czechs transiting on these flights than any nation from ex-Yu.
DeleteThe real question is how many passengers did actually fly from SKP to PRG via BEG. I think the biggest loser here is OU because now it will be rather difficult to launch this route. I don't think the market is that big to have two airlines flying.
DeleteCSA is opening SKP and SJJ in JU's backyard, two rather insignificant destinations far from it's hub, while Air Serbia can't open ODS at least as a reaction? The market has changed dramatically for the past six months yet no reaction from Air Serbia whatsoever besides the big cuts and a complete failure to capitalize on the growth of Greek and Romanian markets. I wouldn't be surprised if OK will be next to launch Teheran.
DeleteI remember a while back flying from SJJ to PRg on Air Bosnia I think (not 100% sure) and it was 3 pax!!! in B737 or similar. Talking to the FA she told me that this was regular, loads were very bad and this was in July I think. Very soon after that, they stopped flying there.
DeleteSo, taking this into account and the limited transfer opportunities I don't see how they can make SJJ work but I wish i was wrong.
LH od sledece godine salje 748 FRA-IKA i jos uvode MUC-IKA-MUC , OS ce da leti 2 puta dnevno . TUI planira letove ne znam zasto ASL nije zaintresovan.
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That was some time ago. Times have changed now - no visa restrictions for Bosnian passengers, tourism picking up ..so it might be much better now
DeleteASL management seems to be asleep while every other regional competitor is opening up new in its core markets routes an increasing frequencies on existing destinations.
Delete@ Anon 1:54
DeleteThat's true.I certainly hope it works out. Somebody mentioned yesterday that we are talking about 3-4 flights per week which is not a lot of capacity. I know for sure there is fairly big expat community in Prague. So, they might draw some pax from there as well.
Air Serbia is in a self-imposed restructuring mode ala imposed by the EU just as OU was going through the past years, that's the excuse to remain blind to all the drastic regional and global changes that are taking place.
DeleteWith the price of Oil being so low ASL should have been expanding like crazy instead of decreasing flights and dropping destinations.
DeleteAirline travel is booming all over Europe and ASL's competitors do not seat still.
Worth noticing that for (Air) Serbia it took more than two years (and counting) to get all approvals for US flights (FAA Cat I, bilateral, DoT) required for long haul expansion plans announced two years ago. Perhaps ASL wanted to expand like crazy (see SkyGreece) but was not lucky to be a EU carrier like SkyGreece was?
DeleteI was referring for ASL to expand within Europe and Middle East.
DeleteI think it is far more important to first build a strong regional hub and then with enough feeding traffic launch flights to the US, Canada, China.
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DeleteASL has been expanding regionally, and drastically. Jat only flew to SJJ, SKP, TIV and TGD in the region where as now it has added LJU, ZAG, SOF, OTP, TIA, BNX and seasonal to VAR, DBV, SPU, PUY. PRN is on the bucket list to open, OTP and SJJ show signs it will increase. The seasonal double dailies (SKP, ATH and SKG) could go year round with a new expansion phase.
Touching on expansion, the intention to start trans-atlantic could be the fuel for the next expansion. The wait to announce JFK could be to allow little room for competitors to retaliate. JU regionally is currently showing room for growth
This summer JU downgraded equipment to Bucharest because of low demand and they keep on using ATR on the route.
DeleteASL will not go to north Africa or ME for TA passengers. Stop making silly comments.
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DeleteAs I touched on in one of comments here, nothing has replaced the DC9 and OTP is destination that could use that capacity. They have been chasing a higher CLF this year. They could fill extra seats, just not enough for the A319.
Don't forget that putting the Atr on OTP was a really bad idea. On some days it departs at 12.55 meaning connections from Moscow, Paris, Amsterdam... are impossible. That's a huge loss for the route.
DeleteMain problem with ASL is low frequency. When Delta announced fights from Seattle to Orange County, they started with 4 daily ERJ175s right away because it is really hard to get a good flow of transit passengers without a good number of flights.
DeleteOTP should really be 3-4 daily on ATRs. It is a big market and ASL is in a great geographic position to connect it with West Europe. LF would increase when passengers can actually make convenient connections.
Basically the goal for all regional capitals should be 3 or 4 daily ATR flights. Also ASL needs flights to secondary cities in Romania and Italy (There are more than a million Romanians and Modolvans in Italy).
If ASL is serious about North America flights, the number of operational ATRs should be at least 10-15.
OTP doesn't need to have more than two flights per day. The afternoon one operated by the A319 while the night flight that is operated by the Atr. You need a jet on the noon departure so that it can make it back in time for all flights- which is not the case when the Atr is operating it.
DeleteIf double daily flights are too much, have seven night frequencies and three/four in the afternoon. However I think double daily flights are realistic. It would be also good if JU could finally start consolidating its position in countries with a strong economy and a high standard of living (Denmark, Germany, Belgium...). These markets are crucial for future expansion beyond the Balkans.
Jat did fly to DBV and PUY as seasonal route even one season before Air Serbia, and Jat did fly in past to BNX and TIA.
DeleteSo, the only new routes were LJU, ZAG, SOF, OTP, and seasonal to VAR.
Jat also used to fly to Ljubljana, flights were quite successful until the economic crisis started.
Delete^^^
DeleteJAT flew all; routes Air Serbia reopened except for VAR.
When Air Serbia started operations, LJU, ZAG, OTP, SOF, TIA, BNX were not in the network at the time. Just these flights alone is an increase of 52 weekly flights.
@ Nemjee
Recently I made a schedule for JFK flights, where I highlighted how it could connect to various points in the region. OTP was in both directions 15 or 20 minutes transit, making connections difficult or impossible. I agree that making OTP work better there needs to be a change of ac.
@ Aleksandar
We cannot compare what DL is doing and JU. But I see your point that frequencies need to increase to accommodate better connectivity. The plan for now is to operate all regional capitals double daily, which is now seen in LJU, TIV, TGD and ZAG, and seasonally in SKP, ATH and SKG. Next on the list I see going double daily is SJJ, TIA and OTP. DBV and SPU should be year round and could handle increase in frequencies in the summer to the current schedule. ZAD looks like it might start next summer, however Id like to see OHD reopen seasonally, there is O&D demand and could feed more connections.
As I said in other replies, DC9 was never replaced and has left a hole in the fleet. It is a better suited ac for PRG, WAW, OTP, SOF, SJJ, VIE, MXP, SKG, SKP and TIA. This alone would free up ac for example:
A319: JU634 WAW 4 x week // AMS 4 x week
This alone makes AMS double daily
ATR72: JU112 SJJ 7 x week // OMO 7 x week
OMO seasonally could attract mainly transit, while capturing the small O&D. WAW is an example which could be improved from connections to OMO with pilgrims to Medjugorje.
There is many possibilities as shown above, this being an example. It will allow an expansion to places such as KIV, OHD, OMO, GVA.
One big minus in the network is as well the midnight departures which need a boost to feed morning departures ex BEG, something Purger has touched upon nicely before.
JATBEGMEL,
DeleteI agree that DL and JU are beyond comparison, but I was just trying to show that loads and yield can increase once frequency is increased, despite the greater capacity. Four 175s is about 300 seats, and I think you will agree that the O/D demand between SEA and orange county is certainly not that high.
If you try to search for flights with JU, you will notice that there are so many times where they offer 12+ hour connections. This is unacceptable in 2015. Many airlines are now offering very short connections because of their high frequency and good airport infrastructure.
Four daily ATRs is only about about 264 seats. If ASL offered competitive fares, I guarantee that they could sell all those seats from OTP because then pax from OTP could connect to any destination within Air Serbia's network with reasonable connection times.
These regional destinations are great because without much back track they can flow pax to both West Europe and Mid East.
And another great advantage would be the greater presence in a city. ASL could get many corporate travel contracts in Romania if they offered more convenience.
I think the guy was referring to Jat, not JAT, which is why he left out all those destinations. Actually, if you are to look at JU's schedule from 2002 or 2005 it was a good one where TIA and SJJ were almost double daily! Even back then we used to get the B727 in LCA that would have a lot of connecting passengers.
DeleteIndeed. I think the connecting time from CDG, AMS... is around 20 minutes now which doesn't work. That's why I proposed to introduce daily night flights. The same scenario for Istanbul. I think it's crazy that JU doesn't sell any connecting flights between IST and CDG! The guy who was making the schedule is an imbecile if he forgot to link two of Europe's biggest cities... Also, with the new Moscow schedule, you are losing all of the connections to Rome. That will be yet another loss for the airline.
From the article :
ReplyDelete"Czech Airlines used to focus on passengers transferring in Prague. Those travellers made up 75% of all passengers carried. During restructuring, Czech Airlines' passenger structure changed, as the company began to focus on point to point passengers."
Very interesting. The same did Air Baltic. Both airlines are of a similar size to Air Serbia.
Are you implying that airBaltic relies on point to point passengers?
DeleteMuch more than in the past. They cut many many routes, to Finland as an example.
DeleteASL though can not rely on point to point traffic to survive.
DeleteBelgrade has nowhere near the tourism traffic that Prague has.
Yes, they've cut some because they weren't making money, not because they are changing their business model.
DeleteNow Zagreb is served by:
ReplyDelete- British
- Air France
- KLM
- Brusseles
- Iberia
- TAP
- Air Serbia
- Croatia
- Trade Air
- Austrian
- Germanwings
- Lufthansa
- Norwegian
- Vueling
- Swiss
- LOT
- ČSA
- Air Europa
- Korean
- Onur
- Tunisair
- Aeroflot
- Turskish
- Qatar
- FlyDubai
- El Al
- Air Transat
Next year will come:
- Alitalia
- Aegean
Than we will miss just easyJet and SAS and that is it
What do you mean by "that is it"? And what is the point of your comment?
DeleteThat almost all important companies already came to Zagreb. Good for passengers, good for business, Zagreb is well done connected city.
DeleteGreat news for Zagreb!
DeleteTo je samo jedan sposoban menadzment aerodroma, koji naravno vode ljudi koji nisu sa ovih prostora! Go Zagreb!
DeleteSuch list of airlines is an absolute disaster for OU. There will be massive reductions next year.
DeleteGood for forighn owners who will collect the profit and take it with them. Good for ZAG pasingers who have lot more competition whish should result in lower prices, more options etc.
DeleteOn the other hand, bad for 1000 people working for OU who spent 2-3 years under mandated restraining order while their (mostly) EU friends were feasting on their own turf. Welcome to new age colonialism people.
But at the end of the day....it coutns the number of pax
DeleteGreat for Croatian economy!
DeleteDOK ZAGREB OPASNO RADI NA POVECANJU PROMETA, BEOGRASKI AERODROM OVE ZIME OCEKUJE VELIKI PAD PUTNIKA. PORED SMANJENJA OPERACIJA OD STRANE ASL U PROCENTU VECEM OD 10 POSTO, OVE ZIME BEG OSTAJE BEZ, BH AIRLINESA - 5 PW, LOT 4PW, TAP 3PW, EASY JET MILAN - 3PW, SWISS ZENEVA 2PW. TO NIJE SVE LUFTHANSA OBA LETA KRATI ZA PO TRI, SWISS CIRIH ISTO ZA TRI, ALITALIA ISTO TAKO KRATI RIM. TOLIKO O SPOSOBNOSTI I VOLJE DA SE NESTO DOBRO URADI NA AERODROMU BEG
DeleteКао прво, искључи капслок пре него што пишеш.
DeleteКао друго, Лот се враћа у јануару а од марта Визер уводи и Баден Баден. Дакле полако се опорављају компаније и враћају ударац Ер Србији.
Pa da BEG je kriv sto je BH bankrotirala, a LOT morala da izvrsi restruktuiranje i vraca se 2 januara. Inace obustavila je letove i za Zagreb.A kada vec nabrajas mozda bi trebao da ubrojis i da Wizz Air povecava broj letova za Pariz, London, Ajndhoven i Geteborg, da Pegasus povecava broj letova, da Qatar ima veci broj letova nego prosle zime, da Aegean povecava kapacitet na A320, da Norweigan povecava broj letova. Ali ok :)
DeleteWait, how is Norwegian increasing flights?
DeleteZar nije ova lista avio kompanija ponovljeni komentar od juce? Znaci moze tako?
Delete@AnonymousOctober 23, 2015 at 3:20 PM
DeleteTheir seasonal Stockholm flights go year-long this winter.
Oh thank God! I was always wondering why they never extended them to winter season. I hope they also open LGW-BEG soon.
DeleteAnon 2:30 PM
DeleteIf you think about it, we are talking about a specific number of passengers that want to visit Croatia. They now have many options to fly which is great. But I would argue that they would come regardless of these new options. IN that case the bigger effect on Croatian economy would be if they flew OU who pays taxes locally, leaves profit in Croatia, hires local people who pay taxes, spend their earnings etc. etc. I don’t see how it is better for Croatian economy if they come with BA or KL unless you argue that they wouldn’t even come if it wasn’t for this added competition. which in some cases might be correct but overall, net benefit for the economy as a whole is incomparable in my opinion.
Kompanije koje pocinju da lete ili povecavaju broj frekfencija u toku zimskog reda letenja sa BEG:
DeleteLOT obnavlja letove posle letnje sezone -4/ +4
Norwegian Stocholm +1
Pegasus +1 (sa tri na cetiri)
Wizz Ajndhoven +1 (sa dva na tri)
Wizz Geteborg +1 (sa dva na tri)
Wizz u vreme praznika pojacava i Pariz i London
Vueling Barselona od 14.12 do 03.01
Qatar uvodi svakodnevne letove
Aegean povecava kapacitet sa A320 kao redovnim avionom
Anonymous at 3:30 PM
DeleteIf Norwegian launches LGW-BEG flights it would be very bad for ASL.
Not smart, Norwegian would then have bigger competitor in Wizzair with existing BEG-LTN route.
DeleteNorwegian would use BEG originating passengers for it's flights to North America from LGW.
DeleteAnd in any case LGW is a far more convenient airport if you travel to or from London than Luton.
OT:
Deletehttp://www.croatiaairlines.com/hr/Planiranje-i-rezervacije/red-letenja/Red-letenja-zima-2015-2016/
Good luck telling that to Wizz! Convenience of LGW doesn't seem to be a problem for Wizz market, they are el-cheapo O&D to London and Norwegian can't beat them there. ASL already had business market to LHR and passengers connecting to all the distant places Norwegian can't offer, so you can't beat them too. Once ASL starts JFK they will own BEG-JFK. Market is covered.
DeleteI think what we see in ZAG is kind of what we saw in BEG. Jat was a weak domestic carrier as is OU currently. BEG saw a drastic increase in carriers in 2009 as well as frequencies by other carriers ie LH.
DeleteWith OU able to expand the next year, it will be interesting to watch to the extent of growth from OU as well as if it will have an impact to the airlines serving the airport, just as we saw when Jat became Air Serbia. Difference here as well is that ZAG is currently run better than BEG, however JU better than OU.
Having said that, backing growth in Croatia is on one side its entry to the EU, soon the Schengen zone, as well as the growing tourism industry, something Serbia isn't seeing.
You shouldn't post when you are drunk!
DeleteThe BEG_JFK market is small to begin with, highly seasonal and even more highly price sensitive!
Diaspora and back packers will gladly make a stop in the UK or any other country in Europe if it saves them 10$.
Sober up man, backpackers from Serbia to USA need a tourist visa. From what I heard, serbian backpackers are not likely to easily get a visa.
DeleteAs for NA diaspora going to BEG, they can already save a lot more than $10 by flying to IST and very few do it. Anyway, good luck with your Norwegian BEG-LGW-JFK idea.
Actually, if JU eventually launches transatlantic flights then their loads to CDG, AMS and LHR will take a pretty big hit. In August alone there are around 5.000 passengers connecting in LHR onto VS flights to JFK.
Delete@JATBEGMELOctober 23, 2015 at 5:49 PM
DeleteI don't think it will, OU currently serves 54% of all flights to and out of Zagreb, i/e it is responsible for around 1.4 million pax per year, with Zagreb anticipating 2.6 million pax in 2015. OU can bounce back but onslaught of so many carriers coming to Zagreb and strict EU rules on subsidies ensures OU can't be air Serbia. Sure OU will most likely increase its share to 57% in 2016, or around 1.7 million, problem is that many more carriers are coming to Zagreb, and as I've said all along Czech Air will come to Zagreb, followed by SAS, Alitalia and Agean sometimes in late 2016 or early 2017.
Finnair is looking at coming to Zagreb on seasonal basis either in 2016 or 201, this should increase offer and there are plans afoot to convert old terminal 1 in to a low cost terminal and perhaps even leas it out of EasyJet or more likely GermanWings.
Zagreb numbers will skyrocket in 2016 and in particular in 2017, and largely driven by the foreign carriers I might add. Zagreb, OU will retain 50-55% share of traffic at Zagreb airport for few more years, if plans for fleet expansion materialize (plan for 20-22 aircraft fleet), but even with this fleet OU could at best retain 50% stake at Zagreb even in 2020, when Zagreb is predicted to handle around 5.0 million pax.
By 2025 if OU maintains more than 35% of Zagreb's traffic I'd be seriously surprised, especially if low cost carriers establishes base at Zagreb.
If OU is around by 2025 dude.
DeleteBTW yesterday someone here (and it's the guy that's constantly trying to start flame wars around here) predicted doom and gloom for Etihad and Air Berlin because Germany hasn't approved some codeshares. Guess what? It just did.
DeleteDon't be a h8er. He also said that they will approve them. He was merely talking of how the climate is changing- and he was right about that.
Delete@ anonymous 9:56pm
Deletethanks for a great reply.
BEG had great growth in 2009 attracting the most amount of new airlines in Europe for the year, Cimber, airBaltic, MA, RO, Wizz, A3, JA, JP, Niki and Spanair all opening in one year. Out of these 10, 3 is left.
OU for years missed out many opportunities to cement their position before joining the EU and Purger in previous articles made some fantastic comments regarding it. JU has as you mentioned taken its opportunity not being in the EU to restructure through subsidizing, increasing its share by roughly 20% in BEG in a short time.
I think OU accounting for 1,4 million as quite high considering the amount of foreign carriers, the OU fleet as well as the amount of destinations it serves from SPU and DBV and that the airline transported only 1.8 million pax last year.
Kucko I don't think will do much for OU and while he is there I'm skeptical of the announced plans for the airline. OU is leaving a great deal of doors open for foreign carriers.
Just a small correction, massive growth occurred in 2010. Tarom and Malev were the first ones to start flying and that happened in December 2009; a month later Olympic was supposed to increase Athens from 7 to 10 weekly but then they lost the route rights to Aegean. I don't recall if A3 started immediately after or they waited until March. That time they didn't perform as well, loads were around 52% on the Avro. Olympic was quite successful but that's because they still had their intercontinental network back then.
Delete@JATBEGMELOctober 23, 2015 at 11:10 PM
DeleteOU might expand, might not, I won't hold my breath, but if you remember be me saying I hope you do, foreign carriers will play major role at Zagreb, and numbers are going up dramatically for them, have been for sometimes.
I said KLM will come to Zagreb, and said same for Brussels Air, Swiss, and other airlines when everyone was being rude and skeptical towards me.
I am glad I have been proven correct, on my list of carriers that are to come to Zagreb, Czech, SAS, Alitalia, Agean and Finnair are all but to announce their arrival, all have hinted their arrival and I've said Czech air plans opening Zagreb in 2016.
I've also said Finnair will be coming to Zagreb, but it'll be in 2017 on seasonal basis trice per week. its too early to say this with certainly but they have been hinting of Zagreb for some time, problem is current terminal is too small to accommodate for all the new carriers that are coming to Zagreb.
Current terminal can barely handle 3 million passengers, and as a frequent user of Zagreb airport I can tell you old terminal is in no shape to handle more than 3 million pax.
Canadian airline is coming to Zagreb with seasonal flights from June next year, and with groving korean, japanise and chinese tourist arrivals it is only matter of time before Korean Air, JAL or some Chinese airline establish direct links to Zagreb year round.
Korean Air has shown interest in establishing links to Zagreb, JAL looks set to return to Zagreb in 2017 and there are hints of Chinese seasonal flights in 2016, things for Zagreb couldn't be better, can OU in such circumstances survive remains to be seen, but the fact is OU must be more aggressive should they wish to maintain their market share in Zagreb. Its whither or fight.
@Anon 10:41
DeleteAB and EY got their codeshare extension only untll January!
http://m.myinforms.com/en/a/18064518-etihad-wins-injunction-to-continue-air-berlin-code-share-flights/
Some (read:ASL) have gone into winter hibernation way to early, while CSA has suddenly awaken.
ReplyDeleteCompetition doesn't rest. Actually, everyone else seem to have upped their game.
As somebody pointed out, it's much more difficult to regain the client/guest than to keep it.
With oil at half the price where it was when ASL first embarked on expansion, one would think that they would take more risk (i.e. destinations). I hope that ASL and other exyu airlines have locked in this low price with some hedge.
Good news for passengers ! More choice is always welcome.
my2cents
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DeleteSomething JU hasn't changed is the fact it has a fleet shortage. The ATR fleet is unreliable and there isn't enough of the A320 fleet. JU never replaced the DC9 which I believe is the biggest issue as it leaves a big hole in both fleet and its network.
DeleteThis winter we will see the A319's go one by one for wifi installation. Averaging around 20 days for installation, it will leave 1 ac out of schedule the whole season. Winter is the traditional slow period. JU has shown it can grow drastically in a short period of time.
With the A320 neos arriving in 2018, something will need to fill the gap between the ATR and the A320's. IF JU does launch JFK next year on its own metal, there will need to be upgrades to frequencies. It has said it intends to serve all regional capitals twice daily. OTP, SJJ, DBV, SPU and TIA I believe will increase in frequencies.
I think that the SSJ100 is the most equivalent modern airliner to the DC9, Fokker 100, and BAe 146. The SSJ has better performance, range, passenger comfort, and cargo capacity than the CRJ, ERJ, and MRJ. Other nice benefits of the SSJ include very favorable credit and a low backlog compared to the ERJ.
DeleteBy the way, wi-fi installation equipment at YU-APC took exactly one month, from the evening September,19th till the morning October,19th.
Delete@ Aleksandar
DeleteSSJ100 is a good ac, however EY partners currently have ERJ's. AZ have relatively new models, receiving them I think in 2009. EY could do with a big order of 40-50 models, if we were to replace the ERJ's in the alliance. I am sure in that case Sukhoi would make an offer they couldn't refuse. Some of the parts are made in Italy, and I'm sure setting up maintenance support for AZ wouldn't be difficult. AZ did intend to buy the SSJ prior to taking up the ERJ.
Don't forget about availability. They would have to wait for much longer before the Embraers start to arrive. The Sukhoi jets could be delivered much earlier. Also, I don't know if the free trade agreement between Serbia and Russia applies to aircraft but if it does then they could be quite cheap.
DeleteSomeone mentioned destinations with 3 carriers
ReplyDeleteI wonder if BA contemplates BEG.
Would someonw know the annual number of North America bound traffic from BEG ?
What was the combined number of flights BEG-LON before Wizz joined (BA + JU) ?
What is BA's LF on short-haul operations ?
If BA does indeed launch BEG-LHR flights with its extensive North American network it will seriously diminish the chances of JU launching and flying profitably to destinations in the US and Canada.
DeleteLHR is by far the biggest transatlantic hub.
okay, so Air Canada Rouge has no chance of launching service to BUD or PRG because BA flies from LHR hub to those cities? doesn't make any sense...
DeleteAir Canada Rouge competes on price and that is why is is only flying seasonally to all those places and using very dense cabin configurations.
DeleteASL is a full service carrier that will have to compete both with low cost competitors AND full service carriers (like BA) who have extensive networks and fly year round.
And it will have to compete with them with having at the same time very small O&D passenger numbers between BEG and JFK.
It is going to be very difficult to fly to North America without lousing A LOT of money.
Ok at least we moved on from "flights will never happened". Now we have the next argument.
DeleteAny flight can happen if you have deep enough pockets to pay for its losses.
DeleteI don't think that was ever in dispute.
The business logic says that JU with its present market conditions will not be profitable flying in New York.
The political logic says fly for prestige and pre-election propaganda and eventually will figure it out who will pay the bill.
I think it is pretty clear.
Perfectly clear: every time Air Serbia does something great, it's because "poor taxpayers are footing the bill". Get some help.
DeleteNothing great about wasting taxpayers money for giving politicians propaganda tools for the next election.
DeleteHow is your comment different from same scenario in any other country in the world? Same can be said for example in Berlin regading construction of new BER airport. Move on, nothing to see here.
DeleteHe is talking about different airlines not being funded by taxpayers money.
DeleteQuietly, SKP is getting bigger and bigger.
ReplyDeleteOT: "I am not paid by JU to come here and present plans that could change the airline."
ReplyDeleteStill, you comment here and present many toxic comments against ASL every day. Logical conclusion is that you must be paid to do so. Nothing wrong with admitting someone is compensating you to talk about how good their airline is while talking trash about Air Serbia.
This is like the third time you are copying this message on here. Admin, can you delete it once again so that we avoid another pointless discussion, these bots are getting impossible.
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