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| Air Serbia to lease CRJ900 and launch Ohrid, Hamburg and Kiev flights |
Air Serbia has signed an agreement for a short-term lease of a Bombardier CRJ900 aircraft from Adria Airways in a bid to expand its network. The 86-seat jet will be leased between the busy summer months of June and September and will allow for Air Serbia to commence flights to Hamburg and Kiev on June 15 and June 16 respectively, while services to Ohrid will operate with the ATR72 turboprop from June 15. In addition, the aircraft will be deployed on the existing Belgrade - Sofia route, which is currently operated by an ATR turboprop aircraft, increasing capacity from 66 to 86 seats. While services to Kiev were announced by Boryspil Airport earlier this month, flights between Belgrade and Hamburg will be resumed after nine years and to Ohrid after three years. The services were last run by Air Serbia's predecessor Jat Airways. It is believed that Adria will lease out the five-year-old CRJ900 aircraft registered S5-AAV, currently on a short-term lease to CityJet. In a statement, Air Serbia noted, "The aircraft will not be painted in our livery".
Air Serbia's CEO, Dane Kondić, said, “We are delighted to strengthen our cooperation with Adria Airways to support the fleet requirements of our growing network and offer guests exciting new travel options for the summer holidays and potentially beyond. The Bombardier CRJ900 aircraft offers excellent performance and passenger comfort levels, and is a great match for our planned network expansion to two popular European cities this summer holiday season". He added, “Whether flying to Hamburg, which lies on the river Elbe and has a rich maritime heritage, or travelling to the richly cultural cities of Kiev or Sofia, our guests are sure to have a memorable experience with Air Serbia this summer". Commenting on the lease agreement with Adria, Mr Kondić said, “This arrangement with Adria Airways is a perfect example of the growth opportunities that can be created when small, like-minded airlines work together for a mutually beneficial outcome”.
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| Adria CRJ900 cabin |
Air Serbia’s history of commercial cooperation with Adria Airways dates back to 2010, when its predecessor, Jat Airways, established a codeshare agreement with the Slovenian carrier. Adria Airways currently places its “JP” designator code onto Air Serbia's flights between the Slovenian and Serbian capital cities, as well as on services from Belgrade to Athens, Bucharest and Sofia. Air Serbia will run four weekly flights to Hamburg, becoming its fifth destination in Germany. The airline will maintain three weekly services to Ohrid and six weekly to Kiev Furthermore, Air Serbia previously announced the launch of its first long haul service to New York, from June 23, which will run five times per week with an Airbus A330-200 aircraft. The carrier is expected to announce more new routes for the summer, with Zadar and Pristina considered as potential destinations.
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Great news
ReplyDeleteSvaka destinacija ucvrscuje Er Srbiji mesto u manjim avio kompanijama Evrope. Na putu je da se transformise u red srednje velicine avio prevoznika. U iducih deset godina, verujem da ce do tada imati do sedam inter kontinentalnih linija. Vodeci strogo racuna o profit, transformisuci se u privatno vlasnistvo. Narucena flota Erbasa, uz lizing ili kupovinu bar cetiri regionalna dzeta i zamenom sadasnjih turbopropa, imace modern flout za opsluzivanje trzista do sest sati letenja. Verujem da nabavka cetiri sirokotrupna aviona sa oko dvesta pedeset sedista bice dovoljno za buducu flotu od trideset dva-tri aviona, nacionalne avio kompanije. Verovatno da ce reakcija na moj tekst biti ''vesela''. Sve jedno. Zivot tece. Nastojanje za opstankom u neprekidnoj utakmici, stvara trud i energiju da se uspe. Pred put za Sydney, Rod ✈&✈ Assocated people. Kraljevo✈BEG.
DeleteAny news if BUD is coming back?
ReplyDeleteI don't think it is.
DeleteWhat about LCA?
DeleteLarnaca resumes during the summer.
DeleteLarnaca resumes in about ten days with three weekly flights. In summer it is increased to daily.
DeleteBUD was discontinued as loads and yields were poor.
DeleteYou mean because JU failed in BUD?
DeleteYes, they sure did. That's what management is supposed to do, isn't it ? Try things and when something doesn't work, stop it and deploy aircraft elsewhere, instead of continuing to fly routes where loads and yields are remain poor.
Delete@ anonymous 7,39pm
DeleteThey tried and failed. So do other airlines like LX for example who have cut many flights in the ex-YU, EK delayed and cancelled the launch of PTY just to give quick examples.
BUD is out but JFK, HAM, KBP and OHD is in.
Wizz Air tried BRU and failed.
DeleteEasyjet tried Milan and Rome and failed.
2 airlines MUCH bigger than JU who are also making progress elsewhere. Why not make a point of these failures ?
Big deal, so what ? Airlines open and close routes all time. As JATBEGMEL said, JFK, HAM, KBP and OHD is in, but i guess we shouldn't mention these ....
cestitke, dobar potez ( bilo je i onih drugih ). ako je ovo proba za pocetak uvodjenja regional jet- ova u flotu onda puna podrska. licno navijam za crj u odnosu na brazilce kao zamenu ili dopunu atr flote.
ReplyDeleteCRJ je "mrtav" avion. Bolje da se u budućnosti fokusiraju na ATR 72-600. A i dodavati četvrti tip aviona uz Boeing, Airbus i ATR baš i nije mudra odluka za tako malu kompaniju, mada uz podršku Etihada i partnerskih kompanija nije ni toliko nemoguće.
DeleteThey will probably announce another 2 seasonal destinations so my money is on Ohrid and Zadar.
ReplyDeleteWhat about Cairo?
DeleteNo one expected Hamburg.
DeleteA sto bi to pricali Dinkicevim ljudima na AB?
DeleteIf I remember correctly they said they will start replacing ATRs next year or early 2018 so perhaps they are trialing the CRJ now.
ReplyDeletethey must replace 200 series with 500 or even 600 and adititionaly introduce rj planes, if they want to be more competitive on the market.
Deleteanon at 9.22pm ... at the risk of questioning your 'expert' advice to JU to replace their ATR-200's, they must be doing something right if they continue to grow. They grew their 2015 passenger numbers by 11% over 2014 and by over 68% over 2013. That doesn't sound like they are having issues in being competitive in the market. rather, it sounds like your advice is someway off the mark.
DeleteBoth Anons as 9:22 and 8:50 are right, but’s not about being able to grow with old planes or being more competitive (numbers-wise) without them. It’s about something else that Air Serbia very much wants to do. Improvement of service levels on which Air Serbia insists from day one is not there just because it makes business sense, it is also there to differentiate from lousy JAT service levels and send a strong message that Serbia can produce world class guest experience. I was ecstatic from the start (and still am) about that messaging. Introduction of premium products like business class seats, premium lounge, wi-fi and now New York service all help push the envelope of customer experience from regional to global levels.
DeleteProblem is, very low-end product is still in the same ballpark as in the last days of JAT. Few days ago there was a comment about experience flying on ATR72-200 and then connecting via old A gates to 733-operated flight. Except for a younger staff, experience was the same as with JAT. If Air Serbia wants once and for all to close the book on JAT-like guest experience (I have a feeling they have a burning desire to do so), they have no other way but to commit to sunset all 737 and -200 ATRs and at one point go public with those retirement plans. It’s not about growth and competitiveness; it’s about finally removing bad JAT experiences from every nook and cranny of the portfolio.
It was compensation for some old Adria debt to Jat.
ReplyDeleteSo I wonder, why Republic of Serbia did not collect this to to reduce the amount of their payments to the Jat debtors.
It is not normal that someone take long term debts but not long term incomes that were not collected. Basically that plane is another subvention to Air Serbia.
It was being settled between two companies not the government and the only reason they got the plane instead of money is because Adria is absolutely broke and had no money to give.
DeleteSo are they getting it for free? I guess Slovenian pilots are coming with the machine?
DeleteYes and yes.
DeleteYou could base the CR9 in PRN with Adria's others. Just need an early departure in PRN and early afternoon back to change crews for the afternoon/evening flights in BEG.
DeleteI noticed that the CRJ will not be flying any night flights, is it because it would require additional crew? I suppose now they will have two sets while like this they would need a third?
DeleteIf it was for free... Why would JP give the newest CRJ900 plane? Why not some CRJ700 or even CRJ200?
Deleteits not for free..it is a compensation of a debt of adria to JAT
DeleteBecause the value of the compensation translates into a newer CRJ 900.
DeleteSo basically if there was no compensation JU wouldn't be getting any new aircraft? Adria saves the day.
Delete^ lol yeah right Or maybe Air Serbia didn't go and lease an aircraft, which it would have done, because they realized they would get one for free.
DeleteI wouldn't be surprised if they didn't lease another aircraft actually. In the past two years they leased only one Atr so it's not like they have been renewing their fleet aggressively.
DeleteThey leased 8 A319s, 2 A320s, 1 ATR72s and will lease 1 A330-200.
DeleteLast A319 (YU-APD) arrived in September 2014, that's 1.5 years ago. Since then only one Atr has joined the fleet and it's not like they don't need extra aircraft, if they didn't they wouldn't be using Aviolet.
DeleteThe Aviolet 737s are in bad condition and brake down all the time leading to flight delays.
DeleteASL needs to lease more modern planes, it can not keep on using 20 year plus aircraft.
Montenegro Embraers lease would be nice to later replace this CRJ900.
DeleteDid they go for JP's CRJ because they were the cheapest option out there or because they couldn't find any A319s?
ReplyDeleteThat was FOR FREE, not cheapest one!
DeleteNema dzabe ni kod stare babe...
DeleteAbsolutely brilliant move! From leasing a smaller jet to launching these two destinations! These are the news we want to hear, not the JFK nonsense that will turn into a fiasco.
ReplyDelete+1
DeleteThey need more regional Jets to launch more regional routes and increase frequencies on routes that can not fill a A320 daily.
actually both regional and long haul expansion is needed. balanced growth of both goes hand in hand.
DeleteYou need to have a regional network in place first with decent frequencies before you fly transatlantic.
DeleteOtherwise you build your house starting from the roof.
We wont know how JFK will be until the first year of ops. No need to jump to conclusions just as yet. JU are cancelling flights after looking at figures if they are not showing results ie BUD, reduction of BNX, seasonal LCA and VAR.
DeleteAs for building regional network, Kondic did mention they wanted to reverse the idea of building a regional network before opening long haul. They are going by the idea that long haul will fuel regional expansion. Risky yes, however the costs associated with these flights is better at this time due to the fact that fuel is much much cheaper. Fuel is one of the biggest expences in any airline. Other than IST in the region, no other airport in our neighbourhood has long haul as of yet. BH Air will soon start SOF-JFK but planned for a few months after JU, while A3 wont start in the near future as of yet.
Oh God, we all know that if it wasn't for Vucic we wouldn't have JFK flights, it was his idea from the very start. The reason he is saying that they are going to expand the region after longhaul is because so far they kind of failed to position themselves in the Balkans. It's classical spinning of news.
DeleteI wouldn't say failed. Since the start of Air Serbia we have:
Delete14 x LJU
14 x ZAG
9 x SOF
9 x OTP
9 x TIA
7 x SKG
7 x ATH
4 x BNX
2 x IST
2 x SPU
1 x DBV
78 additional frequencies which is just over 11 daily flights just in the region. OHD and PRN said to be next, with ZAD, BWK and OMR looking for JU to start flights. I wouldnt call that a fail.
Yeah but how many of these will be operated once the summer is gone?
DeleteDear JATBEGMEL you realy think that we from greece,with these unconvenient time connections from air serbia,are going to travel with ASL? WRONG!!!!Don't forget we are talking about ATH airport a star alliance fortress!
DeleteNo info for next winter but TIA, SOF, OTP, DBV, SPU and PUY have increased this summer compared to last year. New addition is OHD. The increase I showed from the last Jat summer timetable didnt include that hundreds of flights were cancelled due to a lack of aircraft.
DeleteAs for Greece, my flight with JU from ATH on the A320 was full with ALOT of transit pax to CDG and BRU. JU does well in Greece since they have kept the frequencies for a 3rd summer season, even upgauging from A319 to A320. Huge O&D numbers between Serbia and Greece for the summer season.
So you are mentioning the cancellations by Jat but you have conveniently ignored all of the cancellations by Air Serbia? How come?
DeleteAlso, JU is supposed to be more than just a seasonal airline, it needs to do more than to merely collects the crumbs left behind by bigger airlines. Also, if JU was doing so well in ATH it wouldn't have just a daily flight on the A319 in winter... and even some of those were cancelled.
Plus, most destinations you mentioned above were previously operated by Jat.
My friend JAGBELMEL,from the beautiful serbia sorry for the mess before,but I was talking about just for the connections from athens to new york via belgrade with ASL.Don't hide anymore this route BEG-JFK-BEG created just to confirm someone's vanity,you all know who.We have a huge diaspora in USA about 3 million,dont't you think that AEGEAN people have had their investigation about transatlantic flights?I think they realy know something more than a prime minister!
DeleteJat flew less frequencies to ATH and SKG, while JU not only increased year round but also added an additional daily seasonal. Jat was flying the ATR as well to both ATH and SKG where as now it is A319/A320. Jat had 2 x daily SKP, with a couple flights via OHD on triangular routings but 1 x daily in the winter. DBV, SPU and PUY were all seasonal and even there ASL have increased not only frequencies but upgauged ac, even seeing A320. PUY will also see this season 1 weekly A319. Jat cancelled TIA more than 10 years ago, where as SOF and OTP were not in the network since the 1990's. BNX was removed and reinstated a few times, but had a ~10 year break.
DeleteUnfortunately all ex-YU airports have big problems with seasonal traffic and even major European airports see drop in gauge and frequencies by large carriers in the winter. Unfortunately our region its more evident. Dane did mention the reduction recently in an interview bringing forward numbers showing increased profitability resulted from reducing the winter schedule.
Last but not least, lets establish the difference between Jat and JAT. Jat had many routes but dropped alot due to retiring ac, failing to replace them (DC10, DC9, B727) whilst the rest were having major operational issues (spare parts and maintenance).
Quick google search and searching this site in fact reveals ALOT.
@ anonymous 8,02pm
Deletei never denied that it is pushed from above (read Vucic). I can proudly say I am here as an aviation fan discussing aviation topics. Comments I post are purely my opinion and I enjoy discussing them here with other aviation enthusiasts who either agree or disagree.
All airlines have different strategies. Greece and Serbia are 2 different markets and 2 different economies. A3 and JU mind you are also 2 different business models in the single industry. That doesnt mean one is better than the other because of their respective strategy, JU is just differently expanding as compared to A3. JU could follow the same strategy and first expand short-medium haul, however there is as well no denying the gap in transatlantic ops which no Balkan/Romanian carrier has other than TK which gives JU a great competitive advantage
Whether a customer chooses to fly a certain airline/alliance is a customer choice. In Serbia we have LH, OS, LX, AZ, SU, TK, LO along with JU and friends, in the end the customer will choose what best suits them. Same as its my choice whether to have McDonalds or KFC, Chinese or Serbian grill, Coke or Pepsi. Greeks will simply choose what they want. JU takes alot of transit pax from Greece, in my case I was surprised to see ALOT of pax connecting from ATH to BRU and CDG regardless of the direct options available. JU does have a competitive product I must say, onboard service is consistant and amongst the Euro best. There is some aspects to agree and disagree, pros and cons which is a seperate topic of its own. Rome was not built overnight.
@ anonymous 8,02pm
Deletei never denied that it is pushed from above (read Vucic). I can proudly say I am here as an aviation fan discussing aviation topics. Comments I post are purely my opinion and I enjoy discussing them here with other aviation enthusiasts who either agree or disagree.
All airlines have different strategies. Greece and Serbia are 2 different markets and 2 different economies. A3 and JU mind you are also 2 different business models in the single industry. That doesnt mean one is better than the other because of their respective strategy, JU is just differently expanding as compared to A3. JU could follow the same strategy and first expand short-medium haul, however there is as well no denying the gap in transatlantic ops which no Balkan/Romanian carrier has other than TK which gives JU a great competitive advantage
Whether a customer chooses to fly a certain airline/alliance is a customer choice. In Serbia we have LH, OS, LX, AZ, SU, TK, LO along with JU and friends, in the end the customer will choose what best suits them. Same as its my choice whether to have McDonalds or KFC, Chinese or Serbian grill, Coke or Pepsi. Greeks will simply choose what they want. JU takes alot of transit pax from Greece, in my case I was surprised to see ALOT of pax connecting from ATH to BRU and CDG regardless of the direct options available. JU does have a competitive product I must say, onboard service is consistant and amongst the Euro best. There is some aspects to agree and disagree, pros and cons which is a seperate topic of its own. Rome was not built overnight
I am well aware on what's the difference between JAT and Jat. I was merely pointing out that you were falsely portraying the situation in JU, especially as you ignored the fact that most of the frequencies you mentioned are operated between mid-June and mid-September. The rest of the year they are quite sad and are slightly better than Jat's. Just look at CPH which had 4 flights and so did ARN and STR... An airline that has crowned itself the 'regional leader' should try to be better than that, especially when its neighbours are kicking its ass.
DeleteWe all remember what happened last winter when JU tried to have normal frequencies, their planes were flying empty.
Dear JATBEGMEL I'm anon 8:02PM from greece and I think that you live in your own dreamy world.I'm still waiting for your response about my thoughts for the failure of ASL to gain some passengers for the jfk route from greece.
Delete^^^
DeleteIm glad you acknowledged that last winter there were flights flying empty, as well as acknowledge that JU took proper action to reduce flights in order to boost profitability. At the end of the day, no point having frequency but no customers, it just defeats the purpose.
Air Serbia has increased its number of operating aircraft while bringing up utilisation, pax numbers and importantly its employee numbers. JU last year carried more pax than any airline in the ex-YU (Jat was always behind OU).
Remember as well, many regional ops with Jat were on the ATR (ATH and IST included) where as in Air Serbia it is on the A319/A320. While increasing frequencies, they have upgauged as well as reinstating destinations Jat had to cancel due to inabilities to serve them. Jat CLF figures improved when cancelling flights and cutting back destinations, whilst financial results were still in the minus. Jat also served a number of 'triangular' routes (ie: BEG-AMS-BRU-BEG, BEG-OHD-SKP-BEG etc) which brought up frequencies as 1 flight was counted twice which is not the case in ASL.
RO and FB both carried less pax last year compared to JU. YM not even worth mentioning.
Please as well provide numbers to support claims.
@ anonymous 8,02pm
DeleteIve tried a few times to post a reply but it doesnt show on the page.
i never denied that it is pushed from above (read Vucic). I can proudly say I am here as an aviation fan discussing aviation topics. Comments I post are purely my opinion and I enjoy discussing them here with other aviation enthusiasts who either agree or disagree.
All airlines have different strategies. Greece and Serbia are 2 different markets and 2 different economies. A3 and JU mind you are also 2 different business models in the single industry. That doesnt mean one is better than the other because of their respective strategy, JU is just differently expanding as compared to A3. JU could follow the same strategy and first expand short-medium haul, however there is as well no denying the gap in transatlantic ops which no Balkan/Romanian carrier has other than TK which gives JU a great competitive advantage
Whether a customer chooses to fly a certain airline/alliance is a customer choice. In Serbia we have LH, OS, LX, AZ, SU, TK, LO along with JU and friends, in the end the customer will choose what best suits them. Same as its my choice whether to have McDonalds or KFC, Chinese or Serbian grill, Coke or Pepsi. Greeks will simply choose what they want. JU takes alot of transit pax from Greece, in my case I was surprised to see ALOT of pax connecting from ATH to BRU and CDG regardless of the direct options available. JU does have a competitive product I must say, onboard service is consistant and amongst the Euro best. There is some aspects to agree and disagree, pros and cons which is a seperate topic of its own. Rome was not built overnight
What numbers do you want me to provide? It's funny how you use FB and RO as your examples yet you conveniently ignore much bigger regional competitors. Why don't you compare JU with regional players with a serious hub system? I would like to remind you that FB doesn't even try to offer any connections so comparing them to JU is totally pointless.
DeleteYeah and what result did JU get by reducing their schedule? The number of passengers in the second half dropped and the negative trend continues this winter. It will be a bit better in summer and then we are back to square one in winter.
So maybe use relevant examples before trying to be smart with others.
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DeleteThe interview Tango6 portal had with Dane Kondic is available not only on this site as well as on Tango6 but also on youtube and in English. Dane touches on the winter reductions stating numbers. Yield I believe this winter season rose by 20% despite the drop in flights. The idea is to
make money not send a plane regardless of load just because having more frequencies looks nice out of personal ego.
You mentioned how Jat had a bigger regional network and Air Serbia hasnt improved on it. I provided numbers proving my point, provide yours.
JU dont forget has had a huge rebranding operation. It is not perfect and I dont say it is, lets look at facts and realities. Has Air Serbia been an improvement overall?
@ anonymous 8,02pm
Deletei never denied that it is pushed from above (read Vucic). I can proudly say I am here as an aviation fan discussing aviation topics. Comments I post are purely my opinion and I enjoy discussing them here with other aviation enthusiasts who either agree or disagree.
All airlines have different strategies. Greece and Serbia are 2 different markets and 2 different economies. A3 and JU mind you are also 2 different business models in the single industry. That doesnt mean one is better than the other because of their respective strategy, JU is just differently expanding as compared to A3. JU could follow the same strategy and first expand short-medium haul, however there is as well no denying the gap in transatlantic ops which no Balkan/Romanian carrier has other than TK which gives JU a great competitive advantage
Whether a customer chooses to fly a certain airline/alliance is a customer choice. In Serbia we have LH, OS, LX, AZ, SU, TK, LO along with JU and friends, in the end the customer will choose what best suits them. Same as its my choice whether to have McDonalds or KFC, Chinese or Serbian grill, Coke or Pepsi. Greeks will simply choose what they want. JU takes alot of transit pax from Greece, in my case I was surprised to see ALOT of pax connecting from ATH to BRU and CDG regardless of the direct options available. JU does have a competitive product I must say, onboard service is consistant and amongst the Euro best. There is some aspects to agree and disagree, pros and cons which is a seperate topic of its own. Rome was not built overnight
And yet you don't mention why their planes were flying empty, that's also very interesting.
DeleteAlso, I never said that Jat had a bigger regional network, I said many of their current routes are mere continuations and were previously served. Don't twist my words because you are out of arguments.
Also, he mentioned that there was an improvement but there was no info on how bad their performance is. If it was rosy then they would have rushed ot publish them- since they haven't...
DeleteJATBEGMEL - my advice is don't get sucked into his black hole of hate. You don't need to justify anything, the numbers speak for themselves. Everything is better by every measure, especially the one thing that JAT/Jat could never overcome - on time performance. It is the best that it has ever been and is well above industry average, amongst the best in Europe.
DeleteThe guy doesn't have one single fact to stand on. Rest easily..
Pa nego sa cim da upredjuje ako ne sa FB i RO jel mozda sa A3 ili TK jeste pametni .
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Jat 11 years ago had the DC10, the A330 arrival is not a continuation of this. My point being is that although Jat had some of these flights, they were dropped many years back because of inabilities to keep them. Look back to when Jat last served BNX, TIA, SOF, ZAG, LJU, OTP. When did Jat last serve BEY, WAW, PRG, HAM, JFK, AUH, KBP. ATH for example has continued from Jat and has even grown. Again the point im
Deleteportraying.
I have mentioned before here that our markets (ex-YU) is very seasonal and our airlines are all affected by it. Looking at airport stats show 3 x more pax in august compared to february just looking at BEG. This is evident all over. Dane also mentions this in his interview if you watch it full.
Airlines publish their results every 3-6 months. It was mentioned here a couple of times how often it is done by ex-YU airlines. APR should soon get the financial results for 2015 by JU.
Even the APR results are highly selective and don't publish it all in details.
DeleteI'm the guy from greece and I'm glad to see that you are back in reality and you understand the basics!Before you were so unconditional like air serbia is the super airline of the world!
DeleteHey guy from Greece. You should follow in the great Greek tradition of your ancestors who gave us the concept of democracy, which you seem to have lost somewhere along the way. You don't like Air Serbia ? Their flight timings don't work for you ? Then exercise your democratic right and don't fly them - problem solved
DeleteWOW!!!Thank you for reminding me that there are some not openminded people and wear blinkers on their faces like the horses!
DeleteI love Greece and respect airlines present and past from Greece, but there is no tolerance for hijacking site called Ex Yu Aviation for discussion on aviation from other regions, including Greece.
DeleteAnd you guys really think this cheap troll is from Greece?
DeleteLadies and gentlemen please enjoy the dictatorship of air serbia followers!!!Everybody who disagree with them is a cheap troll!!
DeleteOf course he is from Greece, if you wre following the blog then you would have known he commented in the past and if I remember well his name is Adonis.
DeleteAlso, I think certain cheerleaders should stop commenting and stop from spreading their insults and venom. They are far more hurtful to the reputation of this blog than all of the off topic discssions which generate a lot of high quality talk.
No my name is not Adonis i would never use this ridiculous name and yes i am from greece.
Delete@ Anon March 16, 2016 at 1:00 AM
DeleteOf course... everyone who don't share the openion that Air Serbia is a great company is a troll... rofl
Повезати Ниш и Беч,Минхен,Париз,Милано...
ReplyDeleteВећ су повезани... Ниш Експресом.
DeleteAnon 9:51 AM.
DeleteGospodin Peric je podrazumevao povezivanje avionima. Za razliku od vase percepcije. Idite Vi sa autobusima Nis Ekspresa. Srecan Vam put. Niste smesni. Good by.
Радоване зашто провоцираш Народ?
DeleteАнонимусима не треба одговарати.
DeleteG. Pericu, mozda bi pored Beca, Minhena, Pariza i Miliana, Nis trebalo povezati i sa Moskovom i Londonom, zasto da ne?
DeleteJa mislim da bi i Sombor trebalo povezati sa Madridom.
DeleteLast anon +1
DeleteZašto samo iz Niša, oćemo i iz Kraljeva!
DeleteI sve to stoji. Trebalo bi povezati Niš, i Kraljevo i Somobor sa nekoliko destinacija ko što hrvati povezuju Osijek, Zadar, Rijeku, Pulu sa destinacijama cele godine, Makedonci Ohrid, Rumunji Cluj, Timisoaru, Bugari Varnu...
DeleteNisu "Hrvati povezali", kao da postoji centralno koordinaciono hrvatsko telo za povezivanje... Na tome je radio svaki pojedinačni pomenuti aerodrom i svaka lokalna samouprava ili turistička zajednica.
DeletePovezale su ih aviokompanije koje imaju interes da lete iz tih gradova. U velikom broju slučajeva lokalne vlasti su platile subvencije avioprevoznicima da dođu na njihove aerodrome. Lete turisti koji hoće da vide pre svega jadransku obalu, ali i lokalci koji imaju dovoljno novca da odu turistički ili poslovno do Evrope.
Makedonija je posebna priča sa svojom državnom subvencijom jer nema svoju avio kompaniju. Bilo bi suludo da Srbija ima sličnu šemu.
Vi slobodno sami identifikujte šta nedostaje Nišu, Kraljevu, Vršcu, Somboru, Ponikvama itd. Ali da znate da očekivanje da time treba da se bavi recimo Vlada Srbije, nije realno. Država je potpisnica ECAA, važi Open Skies, prema tome, ko god došao - dobro došao.
Makedonija je posebna prica jer je aerodrom vec pod koncesijom pa Vlada ne kontrolise ugovore. Inace bi se tzv subvencije jednostavno zvale volume base pricing, posto ionako placaju takse. Al lukavi Turci pokupili kajmak sa obe strane.
DeleteE pa nije tako:
Delete1. PSO koje plača država da bi se letelo
OSI-ZAG
OSI-PUY
OSI-RJK
OSI-DBV
OSI-SPU
ZAD-PUY
ZAD-ZAG
PUY-ZAG
PUY-DBV
PUY-SPU
RJK-SPU
RJK-DBV
SPU-ZAG
SPU-DBV
DBV-ZAG
BWK-ZAG
2. 50% subvencija za linije sa mora i Osijeka plača Hrvatska turistička zajednica, a tek 50% lokalna zajednica.
Dakle, ne pričajte gluposti ako ne znate. Što to isto ne radi i Srbija? Ona plača desetke miliona EUR ali samo Beogradu, kao da ostatak Srbije ne postoji. Hrvatska plača daleko manje za preko 100 linija unutar Hrvatske, te iz Osijeka i Jadrana prema svetu.
If they take the AAV Vesna, it will hve blue leather seats.
ReplyDeletebut also adria livery...
DeleteThe plane is already white as it is already leased to other company and will stay white until Air Serbia lease. After that it will go back to the other company.
DeleteI guess it will have some kind of Air Serbia livery on it during the lease.
Probably a sticker 'Operated by Air Serbia.'
Deleteit is not operated by Air Serbia !?!
DeleteNo, it is a "wet lease". Adria crew.
DeleteAdria crew and aircraft but it's a JU flight.
DeleteAdria Airways aircraft operated by Air Serbia.
DeleteFor comparison, there is 9W aircraft in 9W ac flying for EY with a sticker by L1 door that says 'operated by Etihad'.
hehe, yes.. the 6 777 don't have the Indian registry and it seems the crew is Etihad's..?
DeleteA6-JAB:
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/Boeing/777/35160/A6-JAB-Etihad-Airways
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DeleteAir Serbia (JU122) Let obavlja Adria Airways
Canadair Regional Jet 900
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Air Serbia (JU123) Let obavlja Adria Airways
Canadair Regional Jet 900
OHD scheduled for official announcement today. Leased CRJ900 will be used to serve the route.
ReplyDeleteOpet odlicna ekspanzija ASL sa 4 nove Destinacije .
ReplyDeleteBilo bi odlicno kad bi u narednom periodu doslo nekoliko novih ATR i E90 .
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So nice SUTT outlook for JU: HAM JFK KBP LCA, maybe OHD PRN.
ReplyDeletethey keep going. Good so. More jobs again. Good for the region
excuse my ignorance..what is a SUTT outlook?
DeleteSUTT = Summer Timetable
DeleteLCA is not a new destination, it is seasonal along with SPU, DBV, PUY, MLA and VAR.
DeleteIt will be interesting to see JU competing with OU on LED route.
ReplyDeleteJU is not opening LED...
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DeleteTrenutno nemamo u ponudi direktne letove do St. Petersburga. Bićete blagovremeno obavešteni o svim aktuelnostima - hvala na predlogu
That is a Facebook post and those people have zero info on future development
DeleteАко мало маштамо, ѕамислите да када стигну нивих 10 Ербаса, ЕрСрбија задржи постојећих 10, пензионира Боинге и флоти од 6 АТР-а дода 4 регионална млазњака, рецимо Сухоје или Ембраере и има два А-330! Укупно 10 регионалних (6 турбопропелераша), 20 Ербаса и 2 широкотрупца.
ReplyDeleteA320 neo izgleda toliko mocno sa novim motorima veci su od ceo verziji i ti cini avion jos lepsim .
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Danas je Air Serbia postavila oglase za Call ctr operatore. Uslov je da znaju japanski i kineski!!!!! Znaci dolazi drugi A330 i leti za Kinu a Japan ce mozda biti kodser od Kine do Japana? U svakom slucaju nista od Toronta i Cikaga jos barem par godina, ludilo.
ReplyDeleteAir Serbia call centar je takode call centar Alitalije. Inace, Toronto nece biti jos 3 godine kao sto je rekao Hogan.
DeleteVidis kako se razumeju sve go strucnjak.
DeleteJU is also hiring Spanish speakers for their call centre :)
DeleteOn Air Serbia's website they are advertising job opening in the call center for French, German, Greek, Italian, Russian, Spanish, Turkish, Chinese, and Japanese languages.
DeleteThose ads do not mean anything, plus why on earth would they hire somebody a year in advance?
DeleteWhat do you mean year in advance? Next A332 is expected by the end of the year, sales for new destination could start in a couple of months, just in time to hire and onboard new operators.
DeleteWhy Western European Air Serbia destinations ex-KBP are priced more than 2000 Euros?
DeleteYYZ je verovatno pre PEK.
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ReplyDeletefor those who said that the seat map isn't a good indicator because it doesn't show travel agencies seats, well what happens if the airline in question sells out of online seats? no seats for travel agency pax? this isn't true... seats are selected through travel agencies, maybe not at all times but at many times, I know through personal experience.
also, certain travel agencies in the US are not even selling tickets for Air Serbia direct flight because they don't want to risk anything since there the flights are still "subject to government approval".
many people who book online do not select the seat at all. Also many companies block certain number of seats for families with kids, special needs people,etc. I am not familiar with what JU does, but I know that on a couple of flights with different companies the seat map was more than half empty 24 hours before the flight and then the plane was around 90% full.
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Deleteeven at check in, the final load is not known until the flight has closed, that is final check in for the flight. Many factors come in from upgrades to no shows, missed connections and rerouted pax. This is the daily norm in flight ops. Ive seen as well on many occasions last minute catering uplift due to last minute change in loads, that is catering loaded where as flight load had changed in the mean time. You are now expecting to estimate loads for a flight 4 months in advance after 3 weeks of sales. Mind you JU starts check in 36 hours before a flight and there is 99 days left to the launch of the first flight.
In Serbia we dont have a huge habbit/culture of online check in as ither countries say Netherlands, UK, Norway etc. Saying that doesnt mean Serbia doesnt have people who use the option of online check in. Remember JU does see significant numbers of transit pax, if Im not mistaken it is a higher percentage compared to TK (note the word percentage and not overall pax numbers).
The flights havnt launched and the route will
take time to develop as in all airlines.
Great to see Ohrid has been scehduled as well.
ReplyDeleteSo for the haters in December and January who were saying Air Serbia will fly only to New York and nothing else we now have a total of 4 new destinations for the summer and more to come.
First new lines after 1,5 years of waiting! Congratulations to Air Serbia on 4 new destinations now that Ohrid is official! Hope they are successful and permanent and hope there is a permanent solution for airplanes: to replace Adria plane once it goes back home, to replace old ATRs and new order with manufacturer for long haul airplanes.
DeleteHere is an interesting old commercial for Air Greece's SKG-BEG flights. I didn't know they used to fly the route!
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Wow what retro uniforms :D
Delete@ anonymous 8,02pm
ReplyDeleteive been trying to reply to your comment but it wont let me above. sorry if you felt ignored.
i never denied that it is pushed from above (read Vucic). I can proudly say I am here as an aviation fan discussing aviation topics. Comments I post are purely my opinion and I enjoy discussing them here with other aviation enthusiasts who either agree or disagree.
All airlines have different strategies. Greece and Serbia are 2 different markets and 2 different economies. A3 and JU mind you are also 2 different business models in the single industry. That doesnt mean one is better than the other because of their respective strategy, JU is just differently expanding as compared to A3. JU could follow the same strategy and first expand short-medium haul, however there is as well no denying the gap in transatlantic ops which no Balkan/Romanian carrier has other than TK which gives JU a great competitive advantage
Whether a customer chooses to fly a certain airline/alliance is a customer choice. In Serbia we have LH, OS, LX, AZ, SU, TK, LO along with JU and friends, in the end the customer will choose what best suits them. Same as its my choice whether to have McDonalds or KFC, Chinese or Serbian grill, Coke or Pepsi. Greeks will simply choose what they want. JU takes alot of transit pax from Greece, in my case I was surprised to see ALOT of pax connecting from ATH to BRU and CDG regardless of the direct options available. JU does have a competitive product I must say, onboard service is consistant and amongst the Euro best. There is some aspects to agree and disagree, pros and cons which is a seperate topic of its own. Rome was not built overnight
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DeleteI don't understand why anybody would make a comparison between JU and A3 - which has almost 3 times more aircraft than does JU. The only similarity they have, is that they are both in the commercial aviation business and both are based in South East Europe.
DeleteJU should only be compared to its near neighbours - both geographically and fleet size wise - which by default, means ex-yu. That being the case, it isn't even a discussion worth having, because JU are head and shoulders ahead of OU, JP and YM
JU should be compared to airlines that have a hub system put in place so no ex-YU airlines, sorry.
DeleteJU should be placed in the same category as BT, OS, A3, RO... these are the ones they should be compared to, not JP, OU or YM.
Mind you, A3 might be in a larger home market but look at all the competition they are facing. Also, when it comes to attracting a connecting passengers in BEY, TLV or SOF.. both airlines have the same potential, the only difference is that one finds a way how to do it while the other doesn't.
What rubbish are you talking about, comparing A3 which has almost 60 aircraft while JU has 16 aircraft ??
DeleteLet's then compare a fiat 500 with a mercedes E-class... both are cars and move you from point a to point b ....
You need to make an apple for apple comparison - same category, capacity, segment etc etc.
OU has roughly the same size of fleet and employees as JU - so that is a fair comparison. What each airline decides to do with largely the same resources, is the debate you then need to have.
if you apply your logic, then the hub airlines you have mentioned above, should also be compared to LH, BA, AF, KL and AZ.
Why is it rubbish? Aegean is a private company that has been growing slowly for the past decade and a half. They grew because they had a great business policy and because they were smart. If it was so easy to succeed in Greece then all those airlines would have never failed. Same applies for the rest. JU has publicly stated that they want to have a major hub in BEG and because of that they MUST be compared to airlines who are in the same business. Comparing them with OU or JP is comparing apples and oranges.
DeleteYou always seem to, conveniently, forget that all these big airlines are big because they were smart.
Also, you are not going to compare Fiat 500 to an E-Class but you could compare FIAT to Mercedes-Benz.
I didn't mention the larger airlines you did because we were speaking of 'the region' and none of those you mentioned are really in it.
You still don't get it. He was trying to tell you that you can only compare JU with other failed or failing airlines like OU, JP, FB or RO!
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