Adria full of surprises
Adria Airways has announced that it will be launching flights from Priština to Verona in Italy. The news wouldn’t be that surprising if it weren’t for the fact that they will be launched in just over two weeks, in the middle of the winter season. The flights are not being operated as charters, rather, as a scheduled service. The flights to Verona will launch on January 28 and will operate twice per week, every Tuesday and Saturday with an Airbus A319. Details can be viewed here.The unexpected new route launch will see Adria serving a total of four destinations out of Priština Airport, with Verona being added alongside Frankfurt, Ljubljana and Munich. The Slovenian national carrier will have tough competition on the route as it will face off against Belle Air Europe and Italy’s second largest airline Meridiana Fly.
Flights to Verona come only a week after the carrier announced it would resume flights from Ljubljana to London Gatwick this summer, suspended late last year due to cost cutting measures. The airline is still implementing its restrictive financial restructuring policy. In 2011, Verona was the ninth busiest route operating out of Priština. It managed to outperform several cities in Germany as well as Switzerland, traditionally the strongest markets. Now it seems, Adria wants a piece of the cake.
Adria's base in Pristina is a joke. It's best portrayed by such rash decisions to launch routes with high competition and a lack of marketing.
ReplyDeleteBut who cares about these secondary routes when big moma Lufthansa gets her feed to Frankfurt and Munich!
Well, the Slovenian taxpayers will have to throw another 50 million € in Adrias mouth at the end of 2012.
ReplyDeleteI think we got used to doing it until now but now it seems that we have to finance Kosovo as well.
ReplyDeleteWhatever :)
ReplyDeleteWaste of money for Adria, i.e. Slovenian taxpayers, but seems we have got money to throw away to finance Kosovo...
ReplyDeletePlus with two other airlines competing on that same route.
Sell Adria, Slovenian taxpayers, for sure do not want their money to be wasted this way! Shame what Adria has become. Just sell it or close it.
i tought that slovenians/adria are more into good ideas than croatia and jat, but this is not true.. hope ryanair will show them soon how to manage air industy in their country. also shame easyjet will stop CDG from LJU.
ReplyDeleteI think that Adria is in same prosition as JAT due to management stuck in old times when these airlines were bigger and more glorious. They have to face it, that surival is only possible, if they stick to their core markets and trunk routes. All this twice weekly flying here and there is leading to bancruptcy.
ReplyDeleteI think that Adria is in same prosition as JAT due to management stuck in old times when these airlines were bigger and more glorious. They have to face it, that surival is only possible, if they stick to their core markets and trunk routes. All this twice weekly flying here and there is leading to bancruptcy.
ReplyDeleteThe Adria's main problem is too expensive fleet. Their management believes were in high priced regional connections and they based expectations on use of luxury jet planes. Many small airlines gave up from jet commuters and switched on prop because of much lover expenses. Now is probably difficult to change entire fleet.
ReplyDeleteWell back at time, everbody went onto CRJs
ReplyDeletebut since few years, they big mums covered the loss of fleet change (and losses), while Adria with 63M only covered losses and loss of aircraft value (CRJ value dropped more than expected).
So solution might be to lease few DH84 from Croatia and Adria would lease A319 to them during summer at least.
Summer destinations revealed:
http://www.adria.si/sl/news.cp2?uid=E9578686-2249-F888-CC0C-C703123677B8&linkid=news&cid=18AE590F-0A78-8DCB-97F6-0819EAC75FB9
Croatia dosn't have enough Q400 for their need and try to lease one more, so there is no chanse for this kind of deal.
ReplyDeleteHow funny this blog is !
ReplyDeleteexample1:
Wizzair will not increase their London-Belgrade flights because Serbians need visa for UK...
but Wizzair increase their London-Kiev flights to daily although Ukrainians also need Visa to UK !
example2:
ReplyDeleteFor operating flights out of a Belgrade base JP would need large cash reserves to cover initial losses, cash they do not have...
but JP is government owned ,their cash is the Slovenian taxpayers
money, cash they have enough as long
as Slovenians do not die out and pay taxes !
example3:
ReplyDeleteBelgrade-Basel will not work because LX tried but dumped that route finally...
But Cimber Sterling tried and dumped
Copenhague-Belgrade also,
what happens?
Norwegian will open Copenhague-Belgrade this summer!
Adria full of surprises?
ReplyDeleteI would really be surprised if
Adria would start flying to new destinations from Ljubljana airport
or Maribor.
just checked the fares:
ReplyDeleteMUC-PRN direkt with JP 99€
MUC-LJU-SKP starting 278€
THIEVES!!!
So with this pricing JP ruins with its Prishtina-Munich flights
ReplyDeleteits Skopje-Ljubljana flights...
hmmm.
That is Skopjes main problem...it shares with Prishtina the same catchment area...
I always thought Slovenians are superior to us...hmm.
Hi Joyen
ReplyDeleteEverything you write makes sense
..obviously there are so many no-sayers who already ruin a good idea before it realizes..
Is it for real or is a joke???????????
ReplyDelete(SLovenian taxpayers money used few months ago for interest of Slovenia people and result ... flight Priština -Verona? I can get it!)
A319/A320 utilization of JP:
ReplyDelete(4 of them, 1 anyway grounded)
12JAN
A320 both not used
A319 one not used
A319 MUC-PRN-MUC
13JAN
A320 both not used
A319 LJU-TFS-FCO-LJU-IST
A319 PRN-MUC-LJU-SVO-LJU
14JAN
A320 both not used
A319 IST-LJU-SVO-LJU-IST
A319 LJU-SSH-HRG-LJU
15JAN
A320 both not used
A319 IST-LJU-SVO-LJU-IST
A319 LJU-PRN-FRA-PRN
16JAN
A320 both not used
A319 IST-LJU
A319 PRN-MUC-PRN-FRA-PRN
17JAN
A320 both not used
A319 LJU-IST
A319 PRN-MUC-LJU
18JAN
A320 both not used
A319 LJU-LJU (training flights)
A319 IST-LJU-IST
19JAN
A320 both not used
A319 not in use
A319 IST-LJU-IST
20JAN
A320 both not used
A319 not in use
A319 IST-LJU-IST
21JAN
A320 both not used
A319 not in use
A319 IST-LJU-SSH-HRG-LJU-IST
22JAN
A320 one grounded
A320 LJU-IST
A319 not in use
A319 IST-LJU
23JAN
A320 one grounded
A320 IST-LJU
A319 both not in use
24JAN
A320 one grounded
A320 LJU-IST
A319 both not in use
25JAN
A320 one grounded
A320 IST-LJU-IST
A319 both not in use
26JAN
A320 one grounded
A320 IST-LJU-IST
A319 both not in use
so herewith you get an impression how "expensive the airbus fleet" for JP is...
this schedule in winter time is nothing unusual, except there is holiday season with good loads to various destinations or extra charters
Isn't one of the reasons that Slovenia declared independence from Yugoslavia that they did not want to spend their money on building up less economically dependent areas?
ReplyDeletedeveloped not dependent
ReplyDeleteHowever I assume they will lease more A320 for the summer like they did in 2011:-)
ReplyDeleteHow cant they understand that they are oversized-I dont know any example of airline that bancrupted because of fleet shortage but I know many that disappeared because of oversized fleet.JP is a total joke with 4 types of aircraft which none of them suits.
And btw. what is happening with the Kosovo diaspora 4-5 Mill. people living outside the country?!?
VRN cannot be operated by airlines out of many big european hubs but from PRN does
@ E
ReplyDeleteright, that was one of the reasons.
However I assume they will lease more A320 for the summer like they did in 2011:-)
ReplyDeleteHow cant they understand that they are oversized-I dont know any example of airline that bancrupted because of fleet shortage but I know many that disappeared because of oversized fleet.JP is a total joke with 4 types of aircraft which none of them suits.
And btw. what is happening with the Kosovo diaspora 4-5 Mill. people living outside the country?!?
VRN cannot be operated by airlines out of many big european hubs but from PRN does
What will happen with the Kosovars when visas will be abolished for them-who will turn off the lights in the country:-)))
ReplyDeleteSerbia will be happy they will inherit an empty land:-)))
@Anonymous
ReplyDelete"just checked the fares:
MUC-PRN direkt with JP 99€
MUC-LJU-SKP starting 278€
THIEVES!!!"
On what grounds do you call "them" (whoever they may be) thieves? You have two flights instead of one and two airport-related fees instead of one. Of course, the second option will be more expensive.
Fly directly to PRN and then drive to SKP for an hour or so. You won't have to change over at LJU and you'll probably save time and money. You should thank them for offering options to passengers :)
Visit kosovo ,you are totally right
ReplyDeleteoffering nonstop flight to German destinations for only 99Euro is
like heaven for every customer..
W O N D E R F U L !!!!
What is weird they destroy their own flights ,either from Skopje or via LJubliana ?!!
Imagine you live in Veles and want to fly Germany ...it would be stupid flying from Skopje !
I would fly from Pristina..you save money and stopover in Lju !
@ anonymous 20:01h 12JAN
ReplyDeletelack of strategy: they wanna ride on various horses: Be the national carrier of Slovenia, carry business class pax, ethnic traffic, charter traffic, have 2 hubs
In months June till Sep the fleet of 4 Airbus is doing very well and they fly many hours. Also during holidays or other vacation season (we have in several countries more than just summer vacation, but also Ski vacation in February, spring in April and fall in October)they are ok, some days 4 Airbus are not even enough to cover all the biz
The rest of the year, difficult.
We just can guess, but one impression we get from outside is the website which has to less actions and new destintaions are not promoted poorly if at all.
Actually a boring one and also with errors. If you check their destination map, it still shows destinations they already cut....
I remember one guy publishing statements several times with plenty of errors. I send him emails, so they were corrected.
ma che figura di m.......
I m even surprised they came public that early with the S12 destinations. MAN/BCN make sense, they always had good and consistent loads. LHR in summer should be no problem to be profitable
only solution for JP is to be fully privatized, get sold and independent from political influence. But that s rather difficult in Slovenia, considering all the political corruption still involved in their economy
...You should thank them for offering options for passengers...
ReplyDeleteThe only thing they offer is a good and a bad option.
Fly direct via PRN or waste time and money by flying from SKP.
The shame is they not only damage themselves(what i dont give a s--t
about)...
but they also damage Skopje as an airport to fly from!
Those Slovenians are the biggest A-----es who exist!
To BEGLAX@
ReplyDeleteYou got my point-but seems that they are not market leader in none of the above mentioned sectors.
In business language destroying your own market position by yourself is called canibalsm.
I think JP suffers from this well known business phenomenon and the proof is that few years ago they used to be leader in SKP and now the situation has changed.However I think they lure for business pax to/from SKP now, as this market is growing at SKP.They gave up ethnic traffic
Can somone move the management and the board away? LJU-MXP is not interesting, but PRN-VRN yes? how comes? slovenian national carrier??? i doubt!
ReplyDeleteCan somone move the management and the board away? LJU-MXP is not interesting, but PRN-VRN yes? how comes? slovenian national carrier??? i doubt!
ReplyDeleteIt has to be nice feeling for Slovenian tourists who come to Italy by car to see their tax subsidized
ReplyDeletenational carrier to fly Verona
to ...Pristina ?!
There are two solutions:
Either Kosovo become autonomous province of Slovenia or
every Kosovo Albanian gets Slovenian passport !
Why not Adria Airways become a second Air Dolomiti?
ReplyDeleteJP feeding Frankfurt and Munich
Some suggestions:
FRA-LJU , MUC-LJU
FRA-ZAG , MUC-ZAG
FRA -BEG ,MUC-BEG
FRA-SJJ , MUC-SJJ
FRA-PRN , MUC-PRN
FRA-SKP , MUC-SKP
Great news for PRN!
ReplyDeletewill any new russian airline launch flights to BEG since the governments signed some agreements?
I think that air traffic between serbia and russia did not reach its full potential
Hypo Alpe Adria:
ReplyDeletei think Kosovars have financed Adria enough. PRN is since years one of their best routes with many transit passengers from other airports like ZRH for example.
In Summer time or during holiday season when flights to PRN are packed, they pay up to 700 EUR for return tickets ZRH-LJU-PRN.
ZRH-LJU point to point traffic is almost non existent. Either Slovenians using ZRH as gateway to the world, or LJU is used as hub for PRN,SKP,SJJ
DLH:
that s what they are dreaming of in LJU, but as long the situation at JP does not change, LH has no interest to burn their fingers
This Adria is a strange airline.
ReplyDeleteI dont understand their idea
of doing business.
Louis,London UK
QR has released their flight schedule to ZAG:
ReplyDeletedaily flights operated via BUD with A320
DOH 0740 - ZAG 1410 QR 947
ZAG 1510 - DOH 2320 QR 948
first flight seems to be on May 08th.
ReplyDeleteZAG flights have ideal connection to MEL flights. As MEL flights leave 0045h from DOH and arrive 0545 fm MEL
Beglax you are not right when
ReplyDeleteyou say that Adria is a hopeless case.
Someone has to clean up the whole mess
My idea for the Slovenian
government: Shut down the airline.
Sell off everything of worth and
pay with the incoming money all debts off.
Pay the debtors,they have no guilt at all and deserve the money most!
In the end only the name Adria will survive.
For founding a 100%percent daughter
LH only has to buy name rights.
Can someone pleas explain how a province that has over 50% unemployment and low investments is able to have the 4th busiest airport in Ex-yu?
ReplyDeleteDLH
ReplyDeleteu re right. that be an option.
last anonymous:
you name it, 50% non employment and not much of investments.... so plenty of potential passengers working abroad and flying home 1-2 x a year
Yes it is confirmed:
ReplyDeleteEVERY DAY!!!
07:40 14:10 QR947
1 stop BUD
Doha
Doha Intl (DOH) Zagreb
Pleso (ZAG)
Qatar Airways 7h 30
15:10 23:20 QR948
1 stop BUD
Zagreb
Pleso (ZAG) Doha
Doha Intl (DOH)
Qatar Airways 7h 10
Great oportunity for ZAG!
Purger,
ReplyDeletei m so happy about it. and it s not only good news for Zagreb and Croatia, but also surrounding places like Bosnia and Slovenia
I checked BEG on QR website, ufn did not find anything yet and my colleague at QR has also no info yet.
but daily flights, wow that s a big blow man...
wish you guys all the success for this route
Wow! Very good news for Zagreb!
ReplyDeleteWith stopover in Bud it will work
out good : )
great news for ZAG!
ReplyDeleteDoes this mean that BUD is not going that well for qatar since they are adding a stopover?
thanks!
To last anonymous:
ReplyDeleteNot that bad but also not perfect.
The new flights will benefit both!
Gratulation to Zagreb airport!
Purger:
ReplyDeletebe on the look out for great industry travel deals on QR:
ME carriers are heavely promoting their flights/services for airport staff, airliners and especially travel offices
last year we got ZRH-DOH-MEL in business for 1400 EUR + taxes - confirmed bookings
how are qatars Bucharest and Sofia routes going with loads?
ReplyDeletetill the end of year ZAG will be direct flight, with no stop in BUD!
ReplyDeleteI was asked by HSPP to make review about Qatar coming to ZAG for Croatia Airlines and I will share it with you
Dolazak Qatara u Zagreb ogromna je prilika za iskorak kako Zagrebačke zračne luke, poglavito u usporedbi sa Beogradom i kontekstu razvoja u regionalnu zračnu luku, te Croatia Airlinesa koja bi na ovoj liniji mogla ozbiljno profitirati i ozbiljno iskočiti spram glavnih konkurenata u regiji: Jata i Adrie Airwaysa.
Zašto je ova linija bitna?
1. Ukoliko linija uspije biti će pokazatelj i drugim prijevoznicima na Zagrebačku zračnu luku, poglavito iz SAD-a, Kanade, Indije i Kine.
2. Croatia Airlines bi mogla zaraditi prvenstveno na konektiranim putnicima iz SJJ, SKP, PRN, TGD, SPU, DBV, ZAD i PUY koji bi nastavili putovanje preko ZAG za DOH. Croatia bi svakako zaradila i na kartama ZAG-DOH, ali i na daljim konekcijama prema Australiji, Dalekom Istoku, Istočnoj i Južnoj Africi, te Indijskom subkontinentu.
Kolika je vjerojatnoća isplativosti ove linije?
Linija je upitno isplativa, prvenstveno radi malog tržišta, koje djelomično povećava konekcija sa Australijom. Nažalost Australija je ograničena na Perth i Melbourne dok je Sydney izostavljen iz mreže Qatara, a što je velik nedostatak.
Najbolji pokazatelj upitnosti isplativosti linije je ekstremno loša popunjenost flyDubaia, koji iako je NTT (LCC) sa mogučnošču konektiranja na Emirates prema brojnijim destinacijama u Australiji, ima popunjenosti samo 40% na liniji Dubai-Beograd, sa samo 4 tjedne frekvencije i ukinutim Jatovim letovima na istoj liniji.
Upravo zato je potrebno maksimalno koristiti sve potencijale da ova linija uspije i time ostane jedina u regiji, obzirom da je realnost ukidanja NTT linije za Dubai iz Beograda velika.
Što bi Croatia Airlines trebala napraviti?
Hitno ponuditi Qataru code-share na liniji Zagreb-Doha, te na konekcijama iz Dohe za Perth, Melbourne, Delhi, Shangai i Peking.
Kao uvjet code-share tražiti Qatarov code-share na linijama iz Zagreba za Sarajevo, Skopje, Prištinu, Podgoricu, Split, Dubrovnik, Pulu i Zadar. Za vjerovati je da bi popriličan broj putnika koristio ove konekcije.
Prepreka za ovakav ugovor ne bi smjelo biti u Star Alliance obzirom da Qatar trenutno ima code-share ugovore sa 5 članova Star Alliancea.
Croatia na liniji za Dohu?
Naravno da bi, ukoliko se ova linija profilira, Croatia nastavak suradnje trebala uvjetovati paritetnim brojem letova svojim zrakoplovima. Realna brojka bila bi 3 leta Qatara i 3 Croatie sa zrakoplovima A319.
Adria airways is starting Verona scheduled charter flights mainly because Meridiana fly will cease its Kosovo operations by the end of January...
ReplyDeleteTHESE ARE CHARTER FLIGHTS OPERATED FOR EASYFLY TRAVEL AGENCY...
The reason behind the choice of Verona is because the majority of Kosovan expats in Italy lives and works in eastern Lombardy/western Veneto...
To last Anonymous:
ReplyDeleteDo you know why MeridianaFly is stopping Pristina from Verona?
Is it not profitable?
Do they have more profitable routes to fly?
What about additional flight PRN stopover LJU and to VRN or ROM or MXP/LIN?
ReplyDelete