Jat to launch Warsaw flights this winter
Jat Airways has added an eleventh new destination to its 2013/14 winter season schedule. The airline plans to launch flights to Warsaw in Poland starting October 27. As EX-YU Aviation News learns, the Serbian carrier has requested slots at Chopin Airport. Flights will operate on a daily basis with an ATR72, with the flight time taking two hours and fifteen minutes. According to the slot request, the Serbian carrier will operate three of its weekly flights in the morning, while the other four would run late in the afternoon. Jat has not operated flights to the Polish capital since the breakup of the former Yugoslavia.
JAT Yugoslav Airlines launched services from Belgrade to Warsaw in the 1960s and would operate flights on and off over the next thirty years. Originally the service operated via Prague before being suspended. Flights were resumed on June 16, 1963 and Warsaw was used as a stopover to Copenhagen before being suspended once again. On April 15, 1983 nonstop flights to the Polish capital were launched and would run until the start of the 1990s.
Currently, LOT Polish Airlines operates flights between the Polish and Serbian capitals on a seasonal summer basis. The airline maintains six weekly flights between the two cities. Last winter the carrier discontinued the service citing high seasonality. However, earlier this year LOT hinted it is considering reinstating flights between Warsaw and Belgrade throughout the winter months.
At the recent IATA slots conference in Copenhagen, Jat unveiled a list of new destinations. They include Abu Dhabi, Banja Luka, Beirut, Budapest, Bucharest, Cairo, Kiev, Ljubljana, Prague and Varna. As this is a preliminary schedule changes are expected. It has been tipped that Jat’s new winter network will be officially unveiled at a press conference this Thursday, which begins at 11.00 CEST. Exact flight times for the Belgrade - Banja Luka service are now available and can be viewed here, while times for the Abu Dhabi flights can be found here.
Rumour has it that INI could reopen instead of Varna. But for sure, this is a massive expansion for such a short time. Waiting for things to get official, all atm is just speculation.
ReplyDeleteI hope Jat will base one or two ATRs or Q400s at INI. They are small, efficient and fast enough so they would be perfect for this airport.
DeleteAnd I am very excited for Warsaw route. It is perfect for flights to US. On Dreamliner for example, seats are very comfortable, especially premium economy and price is still pretty reasonable.
So you are not going to apply for the director?
DeleteJAT will codeshare the US flights with Etihad´s sister company Air Berlin. No way they will feed the LOT and Star Alliance in Warsaw.
DeleteNe brini Baki, svi te znamo, tata gasterbajter, Darko je provincijalac iz Nisa...
DeletePozdrav od Bakija za anonimusa! :)
Delete@ ex-yu admin: Please delete comment July 29, 9:09.
ReplyDeleteI think Jat or whatever the name of the airline will be will become a leader in the region for transit passengers and that it will once again become top airline in ex-yu, possibly in whole southeastern Europe (eventually). I will be watching very carefully events on Thursday as I am very excited about the conference.
Wow... this is amazing news! I am really happy that they are thinking outside the box. I am sure that Warsaw will become a prime candidate once the Dash-8 birds arrive.
ReplyDeleteI suppose that the distance from BEG to WAW is equal to that of BEG-ATH, which means that the Dash could do the route in just over 01:30.
I guess we can put to rest all rumours that Jat will become a mere feeder to both Air Berlin and Etihad.
Belgrade airport will finally become a true hub!
If they will still insist on ATR and siminalr slow machines.. they will ruine the reputation on the routs. TO fly 2.5 hours to Warsaw makes no sense.
ReplyDeleteThey have announced that next year they will switch from the Atr to the Dash-8. Once the transition is complete the flight will be 01:30, which is more than fine.
DeleteWith LOT's ongoing financial troubles and their massive downsizing, this move makes absolute sense. They will try to lure some of the Polish passengers heading to Athens, Cairo, Beirut... all destinations which are no longer served by LOT.
ATR and Dash got the same cruising speed, as far as I know.
DeleteATR max cruise: 275 kn
DeleteQ400 max cruise: 360 kn
DASH 8
Delete667 km/h
ATR 72
511 km/h
EMBRAER 195 (Montenegro Airlines)
890 km/h
I believe that ATR and Dush are defenitelly not suitable. For intance in Podgorica people already know that they talks to fly longer with JAT than with Montengro, eventhough JAT is also flying B733 to TGD.
Regardless of what people might think, a turboprop is the way to go on such short routes. Even if YM manages to transport more passengers, Jat manages to record greater profit on routes to Montenegro.
DeleteBy the way, once the Dash-8 is deployed to Montenegro, the flight will be the same as with the Embraer due to the short distance.
Yes, but if I have to choose to flight to Vienna in 30 minutes more or less - it does make difference. It´s not just about time, the turboprops are mostly not comfortable, they cannot deal with unexpected luggage increase, and finally there are many airports where turboprops get only an outside, non-gate position, which adds additional 20 minutes to the journey.
DeleteIts a shame there is no talk of someone taking over Belgrade Airport (for the next 30 years). I think our airport lacks shops and restaurants, and it is quite small and architectually quite simple. If BEG is going to become a regional hub, it needs to be improved drastically. We should aim to be better, and not compare ourselves to those who are worse than us. Just my two cents.
ReplyDeleteI think that the main problem with BEG was that it was constantly faced with uncertainty related to Jat's future.
DeleteHowever, now that the chances of Jat's collapse have been reduced to a minimum I am sure that more investment in the airport will come.
The main problem with BEG was that it was renovated as it was a bus station in the province.
DeleteBelgrade airport is fine. Don't know what people are complaining about. Ok, the business class lounge was a total joke before they renovated it and I haven't had the chance to see it since.
DeleteThing is, there's not a huge need. It's not like there are a lot of business class transfer pax. It's not like people buy business class for their 15-20 min wait before starting in Belgrade, but for the lounge where they are connecting.
renovations look good, imo. The spaces are open. You walk to your gate and get on the plane. I really couldn't care less if there were more places to buy Serbian rakija at 1.5x the price in town.
Glad they took care of the taxi-scam thing. that was awful
Please, did you see the floor-cover, that is not waight-proof? Did you see the ceiling? Do they have any facilities for transit passangers to rest (http://www.sleepinginairports.net/images/airports/europe-photos/vie-faye-fb120815-1-300px.jpg)? They have hired many young imbeciles who don´t speak a propper english, don´t now to behave and even fail the aviation terminology.
DeleteI guess I have low expectations when it comes to Serbia :)
DeleteNo shit José... I think everyone knows that by now.
Delete@ anon 12:28
Deletetransit passengers on BEG do not stay longer than 2 to 3 hrs, so there is no need for such sofas. plus, they are curently renovating entire transit area, so things will be better. relax, will ya
I have met people who were waiting for 12 or even 16 hours - people from middle east, balkans as well.
DeleteSpeaking of one BEG facilities, one thing that always annoys me are cafes. Traditionally, before I fly out I have a drink with my family and I'm always reminded of how bad the service is: I have to go the counter and place my order, then go to the other part of the counter, wait, remind them to give me a glass of water with the coffee and then carry the tray to the table. Prices are always well above the city price sand the service is bad (staff is disinterested and borderline rude). How about instead of more souvenir shops we get a proper cafe? I just love meeting friends in cafes when I go back home to Serbia since service is generally great.
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DeleteI have a feeling that this will be one hot winter in Belgrade. :D
ReplyDeleteBy the way, I hope they announce Baku flights as well. There is a fair share of O&D passengers flying between Belgrade and Baku.
easyjet will be increasing its Milan-Belgrade-Milan route from three to four weekly flights this winter season.
ReplyDeleteDuring July their loadfactor was 90%.
It's really great to see so many good news for BEG. Let's see how they cope with new and improved Jat this winter season. It will be interesting to see if Jat will be increasing its own frequencies between BEG and MXP.
I don't understand why Easy Jet still not flying to Belgrade from some other destination as I am sure they will be as successful .
DeleteI'm not sure they'd be able to get the permission. Now that Etihad seems to be in bed with JAT and Serbian government i wouldn't expect very many new routes except the ones JAT announces. Or to put it more correctly any new route would be approved only after consultation with Etihad and if they/JAT have any interest in it permission will not be granted. I'm sure this kind of protection is part of the deal. If I was Etihad sure as hell I would ask for it.
DeleteNo. Your argument only applies for carriers from outside the European Union.
DeleteAll airlines from within the EU, easyJet included, can freely launch flights to BEG from any EU airport without the permission of the government. That was the whole point of the Open Skies agreement.
^ Thank god for Open Skies!
DeleteThis is very good news!!! LOT has full flts, well, most pax are those who continue onwards from WAW, but still there is a chance for JAT to take over some pax flyin not only to Balkansa, but even further. They should sign code-share with LOT to transfer pax to USA flts.
ReplyDeleteAnd to those who believe in LOT financial problems? Well, guys, this is the way LOT has been working for last 20 years. No profits, problems, turbulence etc but this company will never collapse! Trust me, I've been working in Polish aviation for many years ;)
JAT will be codesharing to 4 AB destinations via TXL. No need for a codeshare with LOT. Also mentioned several months ago was the possiblity of direct BEG-US line, possibly with EY. With EK opening DXB-MXP-JFK, and QR DOH-ATH-JFK, maybe EY will follow as well possibly with a AUH-BEG-JFK line.
DeleteI have a few questions about all of this however.
ReplyDelete1) With which A/C are they going to carry out all of this expansion as the Q400's are not arriving until 2014.
2) Where will the 10 A319's come from and will they all be ready by October 2013?
3) Will Etihad and/or Belgrade Airport do anything to improve facilities for transfer passengers and to improve the departure lounge at BEG.
Good luck to Jat Airways/Air Serbia with their expansions and I will be using the revamped airline any time I can.
1. The intend on operating with a fleet of 10 A319s and 4/5 Atr-72s. This should be enough to cover the winter timetable. Naturally, for next summer they can increase the fleet if there is need for such a move. Etihad did announce at one point that they think that Jat needs a total of 8 turboprop aircraft. I wouldn't be surprised if Jat ends up having 8 Dash-8 aicraft next year.
Delete2. Etihad will take care of the Airbus leases. I am sure they are in constant contact with leasing companies due to their own ongoing expansion. This a great move because Etihad has far greater leverage when it comes to negotiations.
3. BEG departure lounge (if you are referring to the business class lounge) was completely reconstructed last year. It is modern and doesn't require any additional expansion or modernization, for now.
Belgrade departure lounge for business class passangers is far behind the standard the good airports have introduced in last 15 years. Etihad will probably have its own lounge, just like on many airports. Despite of that, the Airport Belgrade Tesla in a very bad facility, and hopefully there will be some constructions in next 10 years. Otherwise, there is no sense to dream that it can become regionally popular.
DeleteI find that BEG business class lounge is much better than what Lufthansa offers in both Frankfurt and Munich. Unless you are a first class passenger with LH, the lounges are pretty mediocre.
DeleteLufthansa is rather not an exemple of a good service. They are nothnig but reliable.
DeleteFacilities in BEG will drastically need to improve. But JAT has massive debts to the airport, and SU-port isnt the best functioning thing at BEG, which is set to change. The good thing is that the airport in BEG isnt massive and could make way for quick connections for regional destinations. With documents coming out that JAT is part owner of BEG, and the fact that BEG has been mishandling JAT at its home base, things could get interesting very soon. Talk is that JAT will take over T1, and the 2 terminals will be seperated as part of the reconstruction program happening at BEG currently. Got a feeling Gate A1-A10 will be used exclusevly for JAT, with an expansion to the departures section at T1, and the building of a seperate arrivals hall in T1. Thursday should be known some details to the expansion and investment.
DeleteBusiness lounge in BEG is actually better than average non-airline lounge, and also superior to some airline lounges. It does lack in size, but current amount of traffic was small enough to make it perfectly comfortable. The only time it is kind of crowded is before AZ afternoon service to FCO on Fridays.
DeleteCatering is okay, nothing to write home about, but decent enough. Wine offer is nice, though, and beverage in glass bottles are a nice touch.
What I have problem with are the lavatories. They are small yet decent, but business lounge should go a step further. Also, never intended to use them in my hometown, but I didn't see any showers, so I guess that's a huge letdown for anyone who is using it as a transit lounge.
@ 10:20 am 2) Where will the 10 A319's come from and will they all be ready by October 2013?
ReplyDeleteThe A319 coming from Etihad 2 of them come this summer[maybe 1 aug. or fewe days leater] with Etihad crew[i guess Air berlins planes and crew] and 8 planes come till the end of the year when Jat crews take over after they finish the tipe change.
3) Will Etihad and/or Belgrade Airport do anything to improve facilities for transfer passengers and to improve the departure lounge at BEG.
Dont think the Etihad will cahnge that if they dont buy hole terminal for them....Beg aero is diferent company its not owned by JAT...And i dont think bg aeor will change some major things...
Yes, but it was stated by Etihad that they found the documents that the owner of Terminal 1 is JAT.
Deletethat is all blure...Owner of hole airport was JAT...then they take it without compensation...State owned the JAT and Airport and then they split it...So Jat was maybe still is owner of the lot of thing on airport...Jat was owner of Jat tehnika and hole hangars[built from Jat profits] but now that is diferent company too...There was a story when Aeroflot come 2007 to buy Jat they was shocked when they see how some of the thing owned by Jat its not the JAT anymore...Montenegro airports Tivat and Podgorica was owned by JAT and some one sell it for only 10 milion euro[10000000] that how thing work in Jat and around JAT in past :D
DeleteEY has been looking into Jat Tehnika and Jat Ketering, so wouldnt be surprised if they come back into one company. Expect some news in regards to Jat Tehnika soon, as they have taken on an Airbus licence enabling them to service the A320 family a/c, and with EY intending to use BEG as a maintenance base for some parts of the a/c as well as the Y class cabin. Mudabala has been interested in Jat Tehnika btw.
DeleteCannot quite agree with you. 50 years ago it was usual for the company´s to build terminals. We are not talking about the owning of the whole airport (which was indeed case with Tivat), we are talking about the owning of the building of Terminal 1. Tivat was as an airport wholy built and developed by JAT and that was the reason why JAT owned Tivat. Podgorica was a military facility.
DeleteActualy JAT owned the Podgorica and Tivat airpot that is actualy fact
Deletehttp://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2002&mm=10&dd=11&nav_category=12&nav_id=72636
yes and AB[beg aero] was created from JAT 1961.
Deleteahhhhhh feels watching the KING RETURN TO THE THRONE!!! :D EAT SHIT HATERS
ReplyDeleteI think you meant "sultan" :)
DeleteDoot, I guess you mean Emir. ;)
DeleteDuring the press conference on Thursday, Air Serbia's new livery will be presented to the public and it seems that this August Etihad will transfer 2 A319s to Jat, in full Air Serbia livery.
ReplyDeleteAnd so a new era in Balkan aviation begins.
That's from the Indormer newspapers, right? Anyway, amazing news. Good luck to the new company.
DeleteI just hope we will not be disappointed with the livery...
DeleteYes, the source is the Informer newspaper. They are basically the propaganda machine of the SNS.
DeleteThere is no livery that can cover the fact that they will loose the opportunity to become a regional airliner because of the name. With JAT being just JAT or JAT Southeast European or JAT whatever, they could easily open a base in few years in Sarajevo, TGD, maybe even Sofia, DBV. This way they will have to stay in the greate Serbia. Honestly, this businnes move of Etihad is so stupid, that I will not follow the development in the "Air Serbia" at all.
DeleteFeel free to "unfollow" them - but what you are basically saying here is that if the name remained anything but something that would actually include the name of the country the airline comes from, certain people would use it. So, you think they would fly a plane which is Serbian flag carrier, has a Serbian flag on the fuselage, is owned by the Serbian government, YU registration, flies to Belgrade, has Serbian CC and FC, and I suppose Serbian catering - but naming it "Air Serbia" is where they would draw a line?!
DeleteI don't really care for the new name, I preferred Jat and "the egg" - but, I think passengers actually care for the price, scheduling and the quality and reliability of service, rather than paint on the fuselage. Is "Air Serbia" something that would attract anybody right now to fly them? Most certainly not. Could it be in the future? Of course, just look at Emirates, Qatar, Turkish - they are now synonymous with certain level of quality and service. This has nothing to do with the name, though. Ryainair has millions of pax, even though "local" name might as well be "Perin aerotransport".
AnonymousJuly 29, 2013 at 4:46 PM
DeleteWhat I´m saying is that many companies in the past (SAS) or present (Air Baltic, Asiana, Arabian airlines, South Asian) have recognized that due to the open sky agreements the market positionating has to be regional and not national. The states have signed open sky agreemnts, but the mind of people is still the same: there is no legal problem for X company to fly from Split to Rome, but if it is called Air Serbia it does not make any sense. However if the company is called Sotheast European or Fly-fly or X-Jubundy, than there nobody will have an affectiv problem with that. The same way with Latvian Air Baltic: legaly there is no problem for Latvian company to fly from Estoania to, lets say, Paris. But if its called Air Estonia, it is just odd for costumers, both in Paris and in Estonia. But if it is called Air Baltic, then it also makes a sense in a primary perception. I cannot really imaginy the MOntenegrim or Bosnian government to let "Air Serbia" make a base in Sarajevo or Podgorica. But it would be quite imaginable with "JAT Southeast European". So it does make difference, cause the market made up of people with emotions and asociations, not of logic robboters.
AnonymousJuly 29, 2013 at 4:46 PM
DeleteFeel free to "unfollow" them - but what you are basically saying here is that if the name remained anything but something that would actually include the name of the country the airline comes from, certain people would use it. So, you think they would fly a plane which is Serbian flag carrier, has a Serbian flag on the fuselage, is owned by the Serbian government, YU registration, flies to Belgrade, has Serbian CC and FC, and I suppose Serbian catering - but naming it "Air Serbia" is where they would draw a line?!I don't really care for the new name"
It is true that a steake will not become a parpika if you name it so, but still try to sell beefsteake under the name "parpika"! You will notice the difference.
Anonymous at 4:33 and 6:21 i completely agree with you. I would even propose Air Serbia - South East European. It would allow them to keep the JAT acronym in Serbia and the region.
DeleteI like the name Balkan Airways. With that name they could operate flights between cities that are not in Serbia much easier. And the name is very catchy.
DeleteBalkan is the name of old Bulgarian national carrier.
DeleteYes, but that airline was called Balkan Bulgarian Airlines and it doesn't exist for more than 10 years
DeleteThat does not mean that the name is not protected (like Swissair is still owned as a name by Swiss government).. and morally it would be a kind of stealing
DeleteThe best name would be "Balkan Express", wouldn't it?
DeleteIn addition, Darko, do you know there is an open competition for Banjaluka Airport CEO, these days? It lasts to the end of this week? So hurry up!
I hope you've got the documents.
http://tangosix.rs/2013/29/07/ime-jat-odlazi-u-istoriju-prva-dva-a319-stizu-u-wet-lease-u/
ReplyDeletehttp://tangosix.rs/2013/29/07/etihad-zaposljava-u-beogradu/
ReplyDeleteGod, which serious civil aviation enthusiast bothers to read Tango Six. Most of their articles are written using such primitive language.
DeleteI agree with you but i was just curious to check all information about JU/EY deal...i don't read Informer btw
DeleteThey are higly unprofessional.. and the most funny thing is: they try to cover it with remark that they are just doing journalism in the most responsible way. A best proof that our educational system has to be changed!
DeleteTheir every second word is "из извора блиских Етихаду, из извора блиских преговарчком тиму", goddamn it, what is he trying to say to us? Which serious blog/newspaper does that in every single article, to show "that he has connections" or that "he published it first". How primitive is that blog, unbelieavable.
DeleteEducated or not, they write the truth!! Maybe you like the highly educated p.face looking politicians who rip you a.. off!!!
DeleteWho writes the truth? Tango Six? The portal has absolutely no quality and it lacks sophistication. It's language is primitive and it is no better than the politicians who 'rip our ass off'.
DeleteI don't think so as B92,which is very respected media often refers to them:
Deletehttp://www.b92.net/biz/vesti/srbija.php?yyyy=2013&mm=07&dd=29&nav_id=737222
I don't think you guys understand what is investigative journalism,as the standard set for you is Kurir, Informer and other tabloid crap.
Modernize you mind and follow the world trends!!
We don't have to modernize anything. Aviation reporting in Serbia is horrible and mostly unprofessional. The sheer fact that B92 has to copy-paste an article from Tango Six indicates that they are not as competent as they seem. You never see Politika doing it, simply because they go out, gather information and write their own damn articles. That is what I call investigative journalism.
DeleteI think you are the one who needs to modernize your mind and stop worshipping the media house promoting the values of George Soros... that is B92.
There is one simple face, Tango Six is primitive, Aviokarta is good but extremely biased against Jat while ex-Yu has managed to be the only aviation source that has remained unbiased.
"Investigitave journalism" has nothing to do with old floscel such as "iz pouzdanih izvora bliskih Tango-Sixu" etc. B92 internet portal is far away from being a good a media. They just copy past texts from all possible portal all around the world.
DeleteBecause you think in this manner this country doesn't go forward. Who is reporting horribly is the media I previously announced. Politika has always been a piece of shit, and I will always see it as a regime media. I put them in the same basket as JAT, and they have to work for each other to remain in "fotelja". You have to understand that you 30000 din wage because of this parasites. I do think that TS is little bit more louder that the other idle state payed "uhlebljeni" journalists. What I clearly see is that their "pouzadni izvori" say what really happens on the terrain, and you have no argument, but your only argument is George Soros! Find some other floscel than "strani placenici" "teroja zavere" etc...
DeleteWho eats you flesh is overloaded state administration of all institutions (I bet you dream to become part of them)!!
There are no teorije zavere when it comes to Soros. It is a public secret what he has done , not only in Serbia but throughout the world. His contribution to the revolutions in Ukraine, Kyrgizstan, Georgia... had the same purpose as the 'Otpor' he funded in the 1990s. Some are complaining now because the legacy of that movement is dead.
DeleteWhat's wrong with Otpor? you had 10DM wage before them, so "pokri se usima" and enjoy your 30000Din now, maybe you do not deserve more. For more you will have to work more, and steal less.
DeleteThis name changing that was proposed by Serbian governmant is unfortunatelly the classic Serbian story: no facts, no deep thoughts, no visions, just some undeveloped primitive emotion and desire which is fed with loud but silly decissions and movements.
ReplyDeletedon't think it's up to anyone Serbian at this point.
DeleteThe name changing was defenitely encoureged and proposed by the governmant.
DeleteStrongly disagree- you are emotion-driven when have something against NEW NAME for the NEW COMPANY!
DeleteWho says that it will be a new company? Eventhough, the name Air Serbia is ugly and can bring some unpleasent passanger decreases in the region. Our region got 70 M inhabitants, and no serious airliner, and they decide just to put another simply national carrier to the market.
DeleteAir Serbia is as good as Air Arabia!
DeleteBoth nice names and good airlines.
Nobody urges anybody to fly with them!
For those who hate Serbia any other name will be as bad because it will still be a Serbian airline...
Dont waste your time with what some idiots may think!
I like how everyone here thinks they know more about brand development than people running Etihad. You know, one of the best airlines in the world? Do you honestly think they would allow this if they thought it could damage long term growth prospects?
DeleteThey are polite people, especially for the fact they are working in the Arabian world, and they have asked the host/Serbian goverment for their wishes. The same way they have asked to get some livery scatches from Serbia. What they did not know is that the Serbian government has no clue on aviation business and that in Serbia it is a shame for everyone to say that he does not knows something.
Delete"Air Serbia is as good as Air Arabia!"
Delete???? Exectly the opposite - Air Arabia is neutral, nonational a kind of regional name, and Air Serbia is a national name, fatal for every regional rising in the Balkans and Southeast Euorpe.
Actually it is not as neutral as it might seem. The name Air Arabia could be linked with pan-Arabism, a movement that became popular in the 1950s thanks to Nasser of Egypt. More recently there was a diplomatic spat between countries such as Qatar and the UAE where the latter two tried to rebrand the Persian Gulf as the Arabian Gulf. Naturally Iran won and the Persian Gulf remained.
DeleteIn other words, one can argue that by using the name Air Arabia the airline will limit its own market to just the Arab countries (at best, they could be limited to Arabia alone). So if they are not bothered by it why should we be if the name Air Serbia is used?
We need to stop with these megalomanic ideas where we immediately plan on expanding beyond Serbia. Let us first build a decent hub in Belgrade and then think about expansion.
These expansion plans seem very ambitious for Jat. I hope they can follow through on all the planned destinations with only occasional minor delays. So much of whom we decide to fly with is based in 'reputation' (as well as price of course) and Jat does not have the best reputation in the region. I hope Etihad can run the show professionally with clean modern planes. If the new Jat is successful further expansion can occur and Jat and BEG can potentially become regional airline and hub.
ReplyDeleteTwo questions:
1) What load factor is considered sufficient on smaller routes (i.e Varna) to be successful? And how long would an airline maintain the route before deciding to cancel?
2) How do codes shares work? What income percentage does the actual carrier get, and what percentage does the partner airline get? What are the responsibilities of both airlines?
Thanks.
1) difficult to say. 2012 AF overall loadfactor was 81.5 %. KLM even at 85.7
ReplyDeletestill those two placed huge losses where EK had LF of 79.7% and was profitable. QF at 81.2 with loss and TK with 77.7 % publishing profit. It all depends on the yield and cost structure of the airline.
Code share i think depends individually on the agreements between the carriers. For example carrier A allocates some seats on carrier B who s operating the route. Probl hard block allocation wld mean full risk for carrier A but also full revenues for them. Soft block or ad hoc might be cheaper to buy. I wld have to check tmrw with some airline stn mgrs who def wld know
Who is going to use the BEG-BUD route? no connection flight onyl just via Belgrade towards Middle East, but they have even sterted their Dubai, etc routes by Wizz...Even a new Hungarian Airways is on the horizon, I don't see any point in it, but we will see.
ReplyDeleteBusiness people and those going to Belgrade, Budapest, Podgorica, Tivat, Sarajevo, Skopje, Sofia, Bucharest, Beirut, Abu Dhabi (and further onto entire Etihad's network), Cairo and to any other destination where the price is reasonable. Quite a lot of folks actually.
DeleteTomorrow's Informer newspapers are reporting that Air Serbia is apparently hiring 100 stewardesses and a 100 pilots. Take that as you will.
ReplyDeleteWhat a sad situation in our country!? The state news agency has no information on Etihad´s JAT aquisition details. The state TV RTS has also got no clue. The oldest neswpaper in the region has also no information. But a tabloid run by the ruling party seems to have all details. What a degradation!
DeleteWhy does that even matter? News Corp and its world wide subsidiaries broke huge stories despite being complete trash. The government isn't going to "leak" stories to RTS and its DS journalist warrior CEO who should have been jailed a long time ago.
Delete"What a sad situation in our country!? The state news agency has no information on Etihad´s JAT aquisition details. The state TV RTS has also got no clue. The oldest neswpaper in the region has also no information. But a tabloid run by the ruling party seems to have all details. What a degradation!"
DeleteActually, the biggest insult to Serbia and its citizens in terms of media coverage is the fact that the German-owned daily "Blic" always had all the scoops re: big investments, Serbian politics, etc. during the previous government. Now the shoe is on the other foot and all of a sudden it's a "degradation". Seriously? Get over yourself.
^^
DeleteNo need to insult. The same would count for Blic and previous government if it is true what you are saying (which I really doubt). Except for the fact that Blic a pretty serious newspaper, and "Informer" is a boulevard press.
Anyway: it´s not a virtue to compare anything with bad things. If Blic made something it does not make it right for your newspaper.
Actually, Blic's nickname is Bljuc. ;)
DeleteTheir standard is super low and a lot of their articles are factually wrong. This can be noted in EU-related articles where a few times their author confused the Council of Europe with the European Commission.
Furthermore, it was a very well known fact that Blic was the propaganda machine of the DS party.
Guys, move with the times! Rgds, BL
DeleteCan I just make a little correction?
ReplyDeleteSerbian media LOVES to translate English nouns and spell them phonetically.
So...I think new airline should be addressed ad ER SRBIJA!
Phonetically it´s Er Srbia, or Er Serbia. No hope for that name.
DeleteI don't think it is. Phonetically, it's something like
Deleteeə ˈsɜː.bi.ə
Rgds, BL
Avio kompanija JAT prestat će postojati prvog kolovoza kada će tvrtka Etihad iz Ujedinjenih Arapskih Emirata postati suvlasnik srpske aviokompanije. JAT će biti preimenovan u Air Serbia. Etihad će postati 49-postotni vlasnik Air Serbie, ali će imati velika upravljačka prava. S dolaskom Arapa srpska aviokompanija počet će koristiti avione tipa Airbus umjesto Boinga. Prema najavama, uskoro će Air Serbiji biti iznajmljeno deset airbuseva tipa A319 njemačke kompanije Air Berlin koja je u vlasništvu Etihada.
ReplyDeleteEtihad preuzima JAT, ali ne i dugove ove tvrtke koji su se popeli na 170 milijuna eura i taj dug će morati sanirati srpska vlada. Prema pisanju srpskih medija, dug JAT-a svakodnevno se povećava za 30 tisuća eura jer nacionalni avioprijevozik ne plaća aerodromske pristojbe beogradskom aerodromu.
http://www.jutarnji.hr/jat-se-gasi--novo-ime-je-air-serbia/1117162/
So this is the end of JAT, new airline Air Serbia is about to be launched. JAT goes in to history with massive debts to be paid by Serbian taxpayers.
Yes but who cares when the gains of this deal outweigh the losses. So no big deal.
DeleteIf Jutarnji says so.. It is for sure that they will not make a new company. Rather than that they will just introduce the new brending (the one ore another).
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