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| Serbia’s Prime Minister announces transatlantic flights |
Air Serbia will launch long haul flights by the end of 2015, according to the country’s Prime Minister, Aleksandar Vučić, in comments made yesterday. The news came on the day Mr. Vučić met with Etihad Airways’ CEO James Hogan in Belgrade. At a press conference, the Prime Minister said, “I have some good news. By the end of 2015 Air Serbia will fly to the United States”. He added, “That is excellent news in a sea of problems we are facing”. In October 2013, Mr. Vučić stated the national carrier would launch long haul flights to the United States and Canada by the start of 2016 at the latest, using Airbus A330 aircraft. Furthermore, he added that Etihad CEO James Hogan confirmed plans for flights to launch from Belgrade to Chicago and Toronto.
Serbia is currently in the process of obtaining a category one ranking from the United States Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), without which, flights operated by a Serbian carrier to the States are rendered impossible. During the FAA’s latest assessment of Serbia’s aviation authorities last month, the agency found it will have to undertake an additional check before upgrading the country from its current category two status to category one.
During yesterday’s press conference, PM Vučić praised his country’s national carrier. “I have just received a report, in April Air Serbia recorded an 80% passenger increase compared to last year. They [Air Serbia] will not take away anything from the state, rather they will contribute to it”, he said. JAT Yugoslav Airlines operated its final service to Chicago on May 17, 1992 and to New York three days later. On May 21, the United States introduced an embargo on all Yugoslav Airlines flights. During the 1980s JAT operated services to Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, Los Angeles and New York City from Belgrade.
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Hell yeah.
ReplyDeleteHmm can someone tell me where they plan on parking these A330?
ReplyDeleteI know gate A1 can accommodate a B767-300 but the A330-200 is considerably larger. I know C6 should also be ok but I think there isn't enough capacity at Belgrade airport for this kind of expansion.
I know our political 'elite' needs some bragging material in order to justify its term in office but they should not make these kind of promises/statements that will only further complicated the already precarious situation at BEG.
maybe they will use multiple gates with new bridges (A2/3, A4/5, C gates), if the bridges can rotate 180°
DeleteI think there is not enough space at the gate area for the A330, unless they use three gates for one bird which would be stupid. It's the wings that would be a problem, that's why they need a gate with a lot of space a la A1 or C6.
Deleteјеси ли сигуран да А1 има довољно места? мени се чини да само на Ц6 може да се углави широкотрупац. и на Б платформу, па бусом до авиона
DeleteДа, да, скроз сам сигуран. На А1 авио мосту пише да највећи ваздухоплов кој може да се паркира ту је Б767-300.
DeleteNemjee, did anyone in JU speak about longhaul internally?
DeleteНикола, вероватно може Б767-300 од како су проширили рулну стазу пре неколико година. То јест од како су додали онај део кој повезује А и Ц платформе.
DeleteNope, not really. Like I said many times before, we have so many things that need fixing before we even start thinking of long-haul flights.
why are you making such a big deal about gates... we used to have up to 5 DC-10 at some point of time and it seemd to work. 2-3 of them were simultaneously parked on gates C1 - C4/5
DeleteWell, I am making a big deal about the gates because I can see it as being one of the biggest problems in the coming months. Furthermore, I do not see how an A330-200 can be parked at the gate C1, do you know how massive its wings are?
DeleteIf I am not mistaken DC-10s wingspan was around 47 meters while the A330's is around 60m!
There are "old" C gates - C1A, C3A and C5A - on the picture here: http://binged.it/1u3gruu
DeleteApproximately, I would say that the width of one such gate is around 70-75 meters or maybe bit more or less - so guess it would go that way. Also, then two bridges are serving one plane.
Yes, when there is a big plane two bridges are used (or one but the other bridge is then not in action for other planes). Here is a B747 parked at the gate from last year
Deletehttp://www.dodaj.rs/f/2D/ef/11TjAJoI/18115078ry46uartknuvkem2.jpg
So basically the plane would be parked at C2 and it would block C1 from being used? And C1 would be also attached to the aircraft? I just can't see that being an option now when they desperately need each airbridge.
DeleteMaybe they could fix A10 and use that one along with C6 for widebodies.
Nemjee I agree with you. Many other things must happen before long haul happens, so it's good they gave it enough time for late 2015 or early 2016.
DeleteAnnouncement was mostly political marketing, but at least we know what the timeline looks like. Let's see what other announcements about the airport will be made in the near future.
C gates were made for big jets. That's why there is C1-2 C3-4 and C5-6 becaise when there is a big plane you have 1 instead of 2 gates. That's why one big departure lounge is used betwen 2 gates because when you have a big jet you need a big departure lounge. BTW why is there a massive commercial for Sydney, Australia on the T2 exterior?
DeleteAmbisous plan...but first they have to fix problems with those terrible delays..I have used AS twice and I always experienced delays...so very stressful and unplesent flights...eventthoe the service onboard was nice
ReplyDeleteI would love to see Serbian aviation firmly separated from day-to-day politics. Overpromising is counterproductive here. An airline should strive to be profitable and to provide an excellent, reliable link to the world. That would speak volumes, and eventually be a much better personal promotion for the new PM than the rhetorics during/post the election.
ReplyDeleteI really, really doubt he made this up and wasn't told as such by Kondić/Hogan.
DeleteUntil Air Serbia isn't able to perform flights to Banja Luka or Skopje without delays of 3 or 5 hours I don't see chances to go long haul. The airline is presently in a state of chaos as almost all flights delays by several hours, passengers going crazy. Yesterday full load stranded in Frankfurt due to night curfew and pax to DUS bussed to CGN in the middle of night! People make an airline not big words from politicians!
ReplyDeleteVučić knows that BEG will get Category 1?
ReplyDeletekakav gadan politički pamflet
Congratulations! This is in stark contrast with the statement by the PR person at Ljubljana Airport some years ago "that it is not normal to operate intercontinental flights from regional airports."
ReplyDeleteCongratulations for what? A bunch of political crap in a country that didn't even get a CAT 1!
DeleteNot sure you will be singing the same tune next year because this time last year the likes of you were barking Etihad's takeover of JU was an April's fool joke and Jatovanje.
DeleteSledece godine je verovatno prerano, ali vec 2016 je OK.
DeleteThey can have the a330 parked at a10 ,specially after renovation and expansion of the gates.
ReplyDeleteIt will be interesting to see hiw the t1 with gate configuration will look after renivation.I think that they will maje the gates more spacious and that they are thinking to locate larger birds there,especially gate 10.
DeleteDidn't they used to park Qantas' 747-200B at Gate C6? It would have had a wingspan about that of the A330.
ReplyDeleteYes they did and the air bridge was connected to the plane as well. Don't know where this discussion about whether an A330 can park at the gate is coming from
DeleteNo one said that they can't park it at C6, it was about gate C1.
DeleteYeah, right, and 2016 to Neptun and Mars. Till then, "Beograd na vodi" will be completed along with the Channel to Thessaloniki, so Alliens will buy apartments there, and Air Serbia will become Official Carrier of the Universe.
ReplyDeleteDear @Ex-Yu aviation,
ReplyDeleteOnce again you are proving to be favourizing one and one only "side", or ex-yu republic.
In your text, you write that "During 1980's JAT operated services to Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, Los Angeles and New York City from Belgrade".
It's not true.
Flights to the USA were operated from Belgrade, ZAGREB, LJUBLJANA and DUBROVNIK.
All these flights were REGULAR, and only DBV flights were seasonal, while ZAG and LJU flights were all-year-round flights.
Furthermore, only during some 10 last years BEG had SOME non-stop flights to the USA, while during previous some 15 years ALL flights operated NONSTOP from either ZAG or LJU, Even during these 10 last years, only 2 weekly flights to JFK and 2 weekly flights to ORD-LAX were operated nonstop from BEG, while 5 weekly to JFK, 2 weekly to ORD and 2 wekly to CLE/DTW were operated nonstop from ZAG;LJU or DBV, as well as 3 wekly YMX-YYZ operated from ZAG.
Not even to mention that majority of passengers used to board or disembark at these other airports, while BEG segment was having usually less than 100 passengers.
Do you happen to have some proof to back your claims that Belgrade had less than 100 passengers per flight? Or do we not require proof when we are trashing Serbia. :)
DeleteThis article concerns Belgrade, not Zagreb or Dubrovnik or Ljubljana etc. The last time Belgrade was well connected to the US was in the 1980s, as said in the article. In an article about Zagreb/Ljubljana/Dubrovnik and their transatlantic aspirations I would not see the point of mentioning that flights originated in Belgrade. Perhaps you should revisit the definition of favouritism and get over petty nationalism. Good day to you.
DeleteNo, this article is not about Belgrade airport and its aspirations to have long-haul, as you now say.
DeleteIt's about AIR SERBIA, which is in the headline as well.
You cannot speak about 1980's and pretend that company which is direct predecessor of Air Serbia served just Belgrade, because such approach has direct influence to the very topic-and that is: are JU and BEG today capable to have long-haul (to the USA)?.
Btw. I used to work for ex-JAT until it stopped being Yugoslav and became purely Serbian.(At the same time this is the answer to question about the proof for "trashing Serbia" - I WORKED ON THOSE FLIGHTS, and I don't think you need better proof).
I used to declare as "Yugoslav" at the time. My parents and grandparents come from 3 ex-yu republics, and there is no single one ex-yu nation or nationality I don't have friends from. So at least what you can do here is to apologize to me for calling me nationalist. Good day to you too!
Riiiight... you are posting as anonymous, you can claim anything you want.
DeleteFor example, I am a toaster.
I guess Uzbekistan Airlines Belgrade-New York was also flying through Zagreb? Hahaha
DeleteAnonimni tosteru, jesi li sad zadovoljan? Zelis li moj e-mail, da mi dodatno objasnis ko sam ja zapravo i sta zelim? Inace, ranije sam stalno objavljivao pod ovim svojim imenom, sve dok zbog drugacijeg i kritickog misljenja nisam postao "drzavni neprijatelj Srbije broj 1". Nadam se da si sada zadovoljan
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DeleteNo, but PAN AM with A310 and Air Canada with L1015/B767 did, as well as Malaysian and KoreanAir with B777/B747. So before loughing to others, you should LEARN something about the things you write about. Because people who comment on things they don't know about can look stupid, right?
No, we actually have standards, for God's sake, that line was really successful, that's why it still exists ;-))
Delete"as well as Malaysian and KoreanAir with B777/B747." They flew to New York via Zagreb? Hahahaha
DeleteAt least in Zagreb there's no sense to discuss whether the airbridges can handle wide-body aircraft, there's simply none.
DeleteYou can all hahahahahaha all the time you want and you can pretend that you don't know what I'm speaking about, but I'm 100% sure that Air Serbia will not fly to the USA 2015 or 2016, which is the topic today
DeletePozdrav iz Rijeke,
DeleteYes and no one is attacking you for saying that they will not launch flights to north America. After all, many Serbs on here have said the same thing.
All that I am saying is that you should be careful with what you predict. After all, we all remember in what state Serbian aviation was last year and where it is today. In today's world anything is possible... even if we lack state of the art aircraft in our fleet.
Dear Nemjee,
DeleteIt's not only wide-body long-haul aircraft that JU lacks. It's much more : It's FAA category1, it's visa regime, it's not that good political relations of Serbia with the USA, it's profile of the passengers who travel mostly exclusively during 2 summer months in peak-season, it's about mostly poor countries with small number of immigrants and with the visa regime with the USA eastwards from Serbia which are supposed to "feed" such flights, it's about plans in Croatia to start long-haul to the USA, and above all, it's about the announcement of these flights given by the politician, which should never be trusted. You may believe me or not, but I would really be happy if this could happen, I just have so many reasons to believe it won't, and I got a bit nervous when some people here call names and label me, or anybody claiming something different than they think, at the same time giving no one single agument to support their claims.
Concernng your opinion of where Serbian aviation is today, I won't be so sure about it either until JU financial results, which, you must admit, are the most important today, are not published. But always nice talking to you here, no matter whether I'm named or anonymous
this guys is right.. the point is that we are posting on 'exyu' aviation, so when talking about 80s flights to usa, it must be said clearly! so as i know, beg didnt have direct flights but via zag or lju. it doesnt metter if the topic today is beg, but if we write about past, it must be exaclty said. and one more thing to guy from rijeka, i am sorry but in exyu region, if we talk about aviation, in this moment its really many things happening about beg, you canlike it or not.. i do not doubt about next years flights to usa operated by JU.. and i do not worry about space for a330. its logical and simple. one single gate can be made in just a month or two.. so, finally, in just a months from now, we will fly directly to can and usa.. happy we from belgrade!!!
Deletestate-of-the-art aircraft, the Q400 that is, hahahah
DeleteI would like to point out, again, that the article nowhere says services to certain cities in the US were direct but flights from Belgrade operated (ie originated) from Belgrade to these cities in the 1980s. There have been several articles about transtlantic flights in the past and, when relevant, it was noted they operated via Ljubljana or Zagreb (although there were many direct flights as well). Furthermore, there have also been articles about transatlantic flights from Zagreb and Ljubljana where it is not mentioned that the services originated from Belgrade as it is completely irrelevant. I fail to see the point of the entire discussion.
DeletePodrav iz Rijeke, they just won't listen, so don't get upset, there's no need, no wonder Vucic won the elections, people like hearing promises and Serbia is a country where their Prime Minister is considered to be a God himself... Time will tell, Serbia is just too poor, not an EU member and won't be for quite a long time, and I agree with everything you said above!
DeleteAlso, why some redears insist on turning every other article in a Serbia vs Croatia discussion is beyond me and ultimately the commenting feature will be overhauled. The end result is that after the childish discussion, commenting on this article will be closed because I cannot monitor the discussion 24/7. I was under the impression that most people reading are actually adults.
DeleteWow, this is sad. JAT had some amazing destinations in the 80's and should be celebrated by aviation fans. As the picture reminds us, they were #10 in Europe at one point, bigger than Austrian for example - no small feat.
DeleteEven if YU remained a single country, JAT would not be able to sustain same long haul network in today's marketplace. Things have changed so much in the last 30 or so years that even larger players like Alitalia can't sustainably have just two major long haul hubs. So cherish the past and keep your focus on the real devil that's vacuuming most of the Ex-yu North American traffic through their hubs at FRA, MUC, VIE and ZRH!
this is not fair exyu, that you allow people here repeating 'serbia is poor' so many times as a reason for flights abroad.. there are about more than 1 mil serbians who live in usa, and they are the ones who need direct transport to their homeland. im sorry but it doesnt metter where from the flights to the usa is goona start, but more important is how to make it, and we (people from serbia) can make it. its 21st ct. and im fond of listening poor serbians as a fact.. if we are poor, there are people who are not, all around the globe who want to spend some time here, in our country. its a pitty zag doesnt have direct flights to north america, as you could make it because of beautiful coast god gave to you.. what about that?
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DeleteIndeed, this line of argument over the 'poorest country in Europe' may have been amusing in the beginning, but has since turned into a systematic campaign of portraying an entire nation as a lower human type that cannot match some aryans who happen to visit this blog.
DeleteTo the guy from Rijeka: you are using a very aggressive and discriminative argument. Nobody provoked you into such blast of chauvinism and you should think about that a bit.
UAE biz delegation visiting Serbia on 19th of May. J yield should be boosted nicely.
ReplyDeletePrelepa novost! Samo sto sam sleteo sa AIR SERBIA ovde u Aabi Dhabi jutros da bih produzetku leta veceras nastavio za Sydney. Upravo sam prije prije par dana na istom forumu, blogu "prorokovao" , ali u isinu iskreno govorio o realnosti razvoja komercijalne avijavije u Srbiji. Naravno preduslov svega jeste potpuno profesionalno vodjenje, upravljanje operative i menadzm- enta od strucnih ali iskusnuh ljudi puni pozitivne energije realnosti i iznad svega odgovornosti za svoje postupke, ekspeditivnost , tacnost... Aco Vucic sa saradnicima koji se bave sa vecinskim delom AIR SERBIA i planovima razvoja aerodromske mreze Srbije, "malo" bolje zna kada, sta, gde koliko i kada zna od od mene,. tezinu i odgovornost reci. Ovo je dan drugi vlade. Aodgovornost i zivot pod ZAKONOM je osnova opstanka svake drzave u kojoj ljudi pristojno zive i ponasaju se medju sobom, sa drugim. Odgovornisu... Pred let sinoc, posle mnogo godina ponovo sam treci put sreo Daneta Kondica (pre sinocnog sam ga video u direkciji Qantasa) u terminalu ANT BEG, na gejtu pred moje poletanje. Kratko smo razgovarali. Mogu reci Covek je vise nego obavesten. Nisam siguran o svakoj kritici, ali jedno je sigurno. Koliko je moja malenkost u mogucnosti, procenjujem da je Gospodin Kondic veoma odlucan, odgovoran, praktican, komunikativan. Izazov veliki, ostalo je do njega i celog tima sada veoma dinamicne kompanije Er Srbije. Dane je tipican praktican, tolerntan Ozi sa sirokom dusom i dobrim Srpskim srcem. Dobri ljudi oplemenjuju one koji ih srecu. Eto i meni se pozlatilo da mogu imati kratku konverzaciju sa CEO of AIR SERBIA. Imacemo prilike da uskoro ispracavamo inter kontinentalne avione ER SRBIJE. Naravno ja imam strpljenja, Evo upravo cekm avion ETIHAD AIRWAYS-a za Sydney veceras. Divno je biti na aerodromu. Sto se tice aviona, bice i on za 6 sati na gejtu... Budimo blagi prema ljudima. Zivot ne samo da ce nam biti laksi, nego i blag. Imacemo Mir!
ReplyDeleteVas uncle Rodney. R. Marinkovic, AME. ABU DHABI / SYDNEY. Serbia have rest from Rodney. Till about October. R.
http://www.aviokarta.net/vesti/2431-etihad-i-alitaliaprosidba-koja-ceka-sudbonosno-da/
ReplyDeleteNesto novo .
Sto vec sad ne lete za npr Peking,Johannesburg i Bangkok za to bi bio dovoljan A330-200 I da se onda dobro spreme za Ameriku.
ReplyDeletePoštovani anonimuse, kao prvo, tema je mogućnost uspostavljanja direktnog saobraćaja ka severnoj Americi iz BEG pa nije jasno zašto bi admin bio dužan da pomene neke davno prošle letove sa nekih drugih aerodroma iz regiona, prosto u ovom članku nisu tema. Kao drugo, admin ne samo da ne pominje non-stop letove nego čak nigde ne koristi ni reč direktan (let) mada je iz konteksta sasvim jasno da na njih (direktne letove) misli. Tako da nije jsano zašto vi uopšte pominjete non-stop letove i šta vi tu demantujete, sve što je naveo admin je i tačno i relevantno. Što se tiče ovih direktnih, svi su bili iz BEG, neki non-stop, neki od njih si bili preko ZAG, manji broj preko LJU a sasvim mali preko DBV. Dakle, lako se da zaključiti da je iz BEG bilo znatno više direktnih letova ka Americi nego iz ostala pomenuta tri grada zajedno. Dalje, kad već pomenuste te non-stop letove, nemam sad konkretne podatke a ne volim baš da pričam napamet ali sam na osnovu sećanja gotovo potpuno siguran da je i njih iz BEG bilo ne samo znatno više nego iz bilo kog od preostala tri grada ponaosob nego i više od ostala tri zajedno. Da stvar bude zanimljivija, pored toga što za ovu temu navodite irelevantne podatke, neki od njih nažalost čak nisu ni tačni. Naprimer, direktan saobraćaj JAT-a ka Americi je uspostavljen 1970. godine što znači da nije trajao 25 (15+10) godina kako vi sugerišete. Mogao bih još dosta toga da navedem ali mislim da je ovo sasvim dovoljno. Na kraju, nije mi jasno zašto neko ko je do te mere nacionalno opterećen uopšte ima potrebu da posećuje sajt koji se, kako i ime kaže, bavi avijacijom bivših republika Jugoslavije što neminovno znači i srpskom.
ReplyDeleteDragi Dejane, JAT-ovi dugolinijski charter letovi sa B707 poceli su 1970. Redovan saobracaj od 1975 za Australiju, odnosno 1976 za SAD. Ja sam govorio o redovnim letovima.
DeleteSto se broja tice, onako kako sam i napisao, na "JAT"ovom vrhuncu, sa 5 "desetki", bilo je 16 letova nedeljno za SAD i Kanadu, od kojih 4 nonstop iz Beograda, 2 "preko" Ljubljane, 2 "preko" Dubrovnika, i 8 "preko" Zagreba. Kao stao sam napisao u gornjem odgovoru na engleskom, to znam jer sam u to vreme radio u tom JAT-u i na tim letovima.
Kao sto vidite, pisem Vam na srpskom, i ekavici, sto bi vec trebalo ukazivati na moju nacionalnu neopterecenost. Ne znam hocete li verovati ako Vam kazem i da sam srpskog porekla, i da se izjasnjavam kao Srbin.
Jedino sto mi nije jasno, to je zbog cega, (pretpostavljam mladji) ljudi iz Srbije, koji bi vec samo zbog svojih godina, a ako ne i zainteresovanosti za civilnu avijaciju koja je uvek pretpostavljala otvorenost svetu, univerzalnost, tolerantnost, multikultularnost), svaki pokusaj drugacijeg i kritickog misljenja na ovoj stranici, koje se ne poklapa sa njihovim (idealizovanim) misljenjem o nekim stvarima, proglasavaju nacionalizmom i opterecenoscu?
Voleo bi da mi na ovo pitanje odgovorite i srdacno Vas pozdravljam
The only reason some flights landed in Zagreb is cause it was geographically convenient. If Zagreb would have been eastwards from Belgrade no wide-body jet would bother to land there.
DeleteExactly that's why ZAG used to have Malaysian and JAL, and today has KoreanAir
DeleteOh, sweety, but we're not eastwards, are we?
DeleteI forgot Air Canada which never flew to BEG and flew regularly to ZAG, 3 times wekly
DeleteAt least in Zagreb there's no sense to discuss whether some of the airbridges can handle wide-body aircraft...
DeleteWell, key word is had, Zagreb had those services. Time to move and look into the future... if you dare.
DeleteZagreb HAS 7 Korean Air seasonal flights from Seoul this summer, operated by Boeing 747 and Boeing 777. Feeling better now?
DeleteBEG has ETIHAD and FLY DUBAI.
DeleteWe can also add PEGASUS.
DeleteDragi Riječanine, drage volje ću vam odgovoriti. Ja sam naveo godinu 1970-u kao početak saobraćaja (čarter) ka Americi ali čak i uz tu verujte namernu blagonaklonost opet ostadosmo kratki za par godina što će reći da podatak da se 25 godina letelo ka Americi prosto nije tačan. Ako računamo samo redovan saobraćaj stvari su još nepovoljnije po vašu tvrdnju. Dalje, napisali ste da je JAT tokom poslednjih 10 godina saobraćao samo dva puta non-stop iz BEG za JFK. Evo, ja nasumično izabrah jedan red letenja (letnji red letenja iz '88) i tu se lepo vidi da su u špicu sezone bila 4 non-stop leta iz BEG za JFK (2,4,6,7). U isto vreme naprimer iz ZAG tri non-stop leta. Ja zaista ne mislim da je broj non-stop letova bitan ali vi ste pokrenuli tu temu pa biste se bar trebali potruditi da iznosite tačne podatke. Uzgred, to odakle ima koliko non-stop letova ka Americi najvećim delom ima veze sa geografskim položajem pomenutih gradova a ne sa brojem putnika kako ste vi pokušali da predstavite. Ako već pričamo o broju putnika ono što je zapravo relevantno je broj direktnih a ne non-stop letova a tu je BEG u znatnoj prednosti jer su svi letovi ka Americi, bilo non-stop ili ne započinjali iz BEG. Ali nije čak ni to naročito bitno, opet, vi ste tu temu iz meni nejasnih razloga započeli. I zato mi je jedino logično objašnjenje je da je nametanje takvih tema posledica nacionalne opterećenosti. Kao što vaše poreklo ne mora da ima veze sa nacionalnom opterećenošću, bar ne na način na koji vi pokušavate da predstavite, tako i to što ste radili za JAT ne mora da znači da baratate istinitim podacima što se lepo videlo na primeru samo jednog reda letenja kojeg sam nasumično izabrao. Vidite, admin je sasvim dobronamerno naveo neke istinite činjenice koje su vezane za ovu temu ne napadajući nikoga i ne sugerišući čak ništa u vezi bilo koga drugog. A vi ste se našli prozvanim zbog toga i nastupili ste agresivno prema njemu zamerajući mu da nije pomenuo neke druge gradove te da, kao i obično, favorizuje Beograd. Zatim ste, da biste te vaše tvrdnje potkrepili, akcenat stavili na potpuno irelevantnu priču o non-stop letovima, a povrh svega ni tu se niste potrudili da bar baratate do kraja tačnim podacima. I sad pričate o tolerantnosti, multikulrturalnosti i univerzalnosti. Izvinite ali meni nešto tu ne štima. I ja vas najsrdačnije pozdravljam.
DeleteGospodine Dejane sve su vam reci na mestu,ali za dzabe mu objasnjavate to je vrsta Ljubomore :)
DeleteJel morate stalno da se prepucavate za Aerodrome.
DeleteDejane, u pravu ste sto se tice vremena letenja JAT-a, od 1976 do 1992 je petnaestak (preciznije 16) godina, a ne 25. Moja greska, za koju se izvinjavam, proslo je dosta vremena, i da budem iskren, bilo je toliko lepo da mi se cinilo da jee trajalo duze. Sto se ostalih stvari tice, niste u pravu, necu reci da ste namerno izabrali bas 1988, ali pogledajte npr.1987 ili 1989, i videcete da je tacno ono sto govorim- Sto se tice danasnje teme, ona je o Air Srbiji, koja je direktni naslednik JAT-a. I kada se govori o letovima koje je JAT imao za Ameriku onda se jednostavno ne moze promeniti proslost i reci da su ti letovi isli samo iz Beograda. Da se ovde radilo o temi Aerodrom Beograd, ne bi mi palo na pamet bilo sta prigovarati. Ali, jos jedamput, danasnja tema nije BEG nego Air Serbia/JAT letovi za Ameriku, prosli i eventualno b uduci. Dakle moja prica nije nimalo irelevantna, jer se na ovaj nacin stvara slika da je sav saobracaj bivseg JAT-a, dakle i eventualni buduci Er Srbije, bio iz Beograda, sto nije tacno. I to je ono na sta sam reagovao. Sto se tice gospodina koji govori o mojoj ljubomori, mogu samo da se nasmejem, jer ako u celoj ex-Yu nemamo na cemu da budemo jedni drugima zavidni, to je ovo o cemu pisem, nasa civilna avijacija, koja je srozana do dna i nista od svega aovoga sto nam se dogadja, ukljucujuci kompletnu pricu sa Er Srbijom cije finansijske rezultate koji su danas jedino merilo uspesnosti ne znamo i pitanje je kakvi ce oni biti. Prema tome, sa punim pravom ostajem pri svojim tvrdnjama, i jos jednom Vas molim da mi odgovorite na pitanje koje sam Vam postavio a na koje mi niste odgovvorili : Dakle, cak i da nisam u pravu, a trazim samo izosenje svih, a ne biranih i delimicnih podataka o onome o cemu se pise, zbog cega me to cini opterecenim i nacionalistom? Hvala na odgovoru i jos jedan pozdrav
DeleteМислим да ти је већ једном одговорио.
DeleteTebe niko nsta nije pitao
DeleteDragi Riječanine, '88 godinu sam zaista izabrao nasumično, naravno ne baš potpuno već kao jednu od onih kad je saobraćaj ka Americi bio na vrhuncu a i kao jednu koja se uklapa u vašu tvrdnju da su u poslednjih 10 godina iz BEG ka JFK bila samo dva leta nedeljno. Čak i da je tako bilo samo te godine to je dovoljno da se zaključi da vaše tvrdnje nisu tačne. A nije bilo samo te godine. Evo sad pogledah i redove letenja iz godina koje ste vi predložili - '87 i '89. '87 su bila tri non-stop leta (1,4,6) a '89 isto kao i '88 4 leta (1,3,4,6). '89 je kao i '88 ZAG imao jedan non-stop let manje. Meni zaista nije jasno zašto nastavljate da iznosite netačne podatke. Da ne govorim o tome da su non-stop letovi savršeno nebitni u celoj ovoj priči. Ono što je relevantno je ukupan broj direktnih letova a tu je BEG u znatnoj prednosti. Što se tiče teme, ona može biti Er Srbija, može biti BEG, mogu biti letovi za Ameriku generalno a mogu biti i samo letovi JAT-a iz BEG za Ameriku što ovde jeste slučaj. I tema je pre svega budućnost a ne prošlost a samo na kraju teksta se kao podsetnik kratko spominju JAT-ovi letovi 80-ih za Ameriku što je i istinito i relevantno a takođe i skroz neutralno. Tema je isto tako mogla biti recimo samo sezonski let za Klivlend ili šta god već admin izabere. Da li bi to značilo da nije bilo letova za Detroit i da je admin to hteo da sugeriše? Ili, kao što ovde admin nije pomenuo letove iz ZAG, LJU i DBV za Ameriku isto tako nije ni pomenuo letove iz BEG za SYD i MEL. Po vašoj logici to bi značilo da je namerno izostavio te letove indirektno sugerišući da ih nije ni bilo. Pošto ovde iznosite i nelogične i netačne a pri tom i tendeciozne tvrdnje ja za to nemam drugo objašnjenje sem da je motiv nacionalna opterećenost. Voleo bih da me demantujete ako ništa drugo ono zato što su neki vaši postovi u prošlosti dok ovde niste pisali kao anonimus bili prilično razumni i objektivni. Nažalost, za sve što ste danas pisali to se nikako ne bi moglo reći.
DeleteUjaci, stvarno ste dosadni, lečite svoje frustracije! Niko ne može nešto da kaže, a da se vi ne uvredite! Vaši komentari zaista više nisu vredni čitanja!
DeleteJedino što je gluplje od Vučićeve političke gluposti je način na koji se Srbi doslovno "hvataju" za njegove riječi. Mislite što hoćete, moj komentar nije uperen protiv Srba, ali shvatite da ste, izrazito siromašni, niste članica EU, nemate bezvizni režim s SAD-om, nemate američke turiste da vam pune avione. Ako vam ovo uspije, svaka čast (Air Serbiji ili Etihadu), onda sam u krivu, ali jednostavno mislim da nijedna država bivše Jugoslavije nema potencijal za interkontinentalne letove (osim sezonskih). Ipak, želim svu sreću Air Serbiji, puno uspjeha u poslovanju, nadam se da ću jedan dan letjeti s njima! Pozdrav :-))
ReplyDeleteŠto se tiče ovih avio mostova na BEG hajde da i tu razjasnimo neke stvari. C gejtovi su 1979 napravljeni pre svega za potrebe dugolinijskog saobraćaja. Prvo su bila dva sa oznakama C2 (danađnji C3/C4) i C4 (današnji C5/C6) i na njima su se mogla parkirati i dva B747 istovremeno. Ove parne oznake vrlo verovatno sugerišu da su širi i da su namenjeni širokotrupnim avionima. Kasnije je dodat i C1 a još nešto kasnije je A1 preuređen tako da može da prima većinu širokotrupnih aviona, pre svega razume se DC10. Na A1 nije mogao da se parkira B747 a za C1 nisam sasvim siguran ali mislim da takođe nije (nikad nisam video da je Qantas-ov ili neki drugi bio na C1). Tokom osamdesetih vrlo čest prizor bio je B747 na C4 a na C1 i C2 ili dve desetke ili desetka i L1011, sve razume se istovremeno. Dakle, tri C gejta su bila pre svega namenjena širokotrupim avionima a takođe su korišćena i za evro-mediteranski saobraćaj. Za evro-mediteranski saobraćaj su korišćeni i gejtovi od A1 do A5, ponekad i A6 s tim da je A1 kasnije takođe korišćen i za dugolinijski saobraćaj. Preostali gejtovi do A11 (a ne do A10, ako me pamćenje dobro služi) su bili korišćeni za domaći saobraćaj. Da rezimiram, dva A330-200 sigurno mogu jednovremeno da se parkiraju na na C platformi (više od toga za sad i nije potrebno) i to na pozicijama C3/C4 i C5/C6 a da li može i treći na C1/C2 ili/i četvrti na A1 nisam siguran ali mislim da je verovatnije da ne zbog velikog raspona krila.
ReplyDeleteHvala na objasnjenju Dejane :)
DeleteI wonder if there'll be any water-salute tonight in Varna, at night you won't see a damn. Perhaps if the firetrucks put their emergency lights-on it might look more of a party...
ReplyDeleteTomorrow two new route-launches in Belgrade: Belgrade-Varna and Geneva-Belgrade.
DeleteUnfortunately the flight was diverted to Sofia due to fog.
DeleteIf this truly happens , we shall see how successful it will be. I remember Tarom had flights from Timisoara and Bucharest, Balkan Bulgarian from Sofia, Malev and Delta from Budapest, all for the United States. This from the same region where Air Serbia flies. Were those flights successful? If they were, they would still be in operation either with the home country carrier or a US carrier.
ReplyDeleteKojim Avionom je Tarom leteo za USA ako neko zna nek mi kaze.Hvala Unapred.
DeleteA310, on se danas koristi kao predsednicki avion. Mislim da su isto koristili B707 pre A310.
DeleteDoes anyone know if the situation with the check-in system has been solved at BEG?
ReplyDeleteYes , yesterday at 23h - SITA connectivity problem made SABRE out of function, old backup system used during the afternoon with recovery procedure but delays could not be avoided due to mandatory baggage checks
DeleteAir bridges are not necessary to have long haul flights. Even in AUH, for lot of longhaul flights you go with bus and normal stairs into aircraft.
ReplyDeleteDOH has no air bridges at all.
DeleteDidn't Doha finally open Hamad airport? By the way, the new Doha terminal will be the most beautiful airport in the world.
DeleteI think the soft opening has been scheduled for next month, about a year after the original date. I think it's supposed to completely take over in Q4
DeleteWhy can't we hear the longhaul plans directly from Hogan or Kondic? Why does Vucic have to say everything? I would believe Kondic if he said that longhaul will start in 2015, but I am not so sure if I believe it when Vucic says it because of the history of politicians in this country making promises they don't keep.
ReplyDeleteOn the topic of suitable facilities for such operations, I still believe that BEG is the biggest bottleneck for JU's further expansion. A new dedicated terminal for Air Serbia, Etihad, Darwin, etc would be ideal.
This new terminal could help achieve Air Serbia' goal of being a regional leader with facilities such as dedicated lounge, central security, etc.
We can't hear of longhaul plans from Hogan or Kondic simply because such plans do not exist. We can only thank god Serbian politicians cannot make strategic decisions in JU because the state is broke and those who hold the cash make decisions. So they can only make worthless announcements in the media because there would be no consequences for them selling that mumbo jumbo to the public. Personally I would advise the admin to completely ignore such 'news' in the future as they only poison the blog.
DeleteSuch plans do not exist? I think it is rather clear that longhaul is a major long term goal for Kondic. He just doesn't go speaking about it before it is even possible.
DeleteIn my opinion they do not exist. If they do it would be fantastic but Kondic certainly has no intention to even think about them for the next few years as he will have more than enough on his plate do deal with. There will be plenty of time to discuss JU's longhaul and we should start such discussions once there is something more worthy than a politician's word behind it.
DeleteNobody knows whether the inner circle of JU management is aspiring towards longhaul. Personally, I think it is rather obvious that all of their actions are directed towards setting up a regional network that will be used to feed longhaul eventually.
DeleteFirst time tonight, from what i remember, Air Serbia is sending the A320 to Abu Dhabi.
ReplyDeleteNo, error on beg.aero. A6SAA is flying to AUH.
DeleteSo they are not flying to Barcelona,Dubai, Venice, Kiev, Madrid, Oslo, Helsinki, Minsk, Nice, Bratislava, Cairo but they will somehow magically get a widebody to fly to NY and Toronto? Supposedly there are some cheap A340's and even A330's but what about winter period? Will they just sit around.
ReplyDeletemorao bi da zivis njihove zivote da bi razumeo. Nikad nisu bili profitabilni niti logicni,ali zato su umeli bezrazlono da potrose narodne pare. U tom kontekstu ti je prica sa letovima ka USA. meni pre to deluje da neko od glavonja u Beogradu hoce da zaposli kcerku ili sina u predstavnistvu JAT ,npr u Ki Biskejnu ili negde u Montani na skijalistu. Osim razvoja evromediteranske mreze,puno je lakse i jeftinije razvijati mrezu prema Aziji,ako vec hoce long haul, nego USA. Koliko nam treba USA toliko nam treba i Azija.
DeleteAir bridges problem will be solved somehow, but for longhaul flights most important thing is to have good feeder connections, because airline cannot depend only on pax traveling to/from Serbia only (for some of them day of the week is not suitable, some live in other cities in USA or Canada and connection doesn't suit them, etc.). So I am wondering - longhaul aircraft has to land at BEX for example before few departures for regional cities (Podgorica, Banja Luka, Sofia, Budapest, etc.), so that pax coming of from USA flight can board these feeder flights, and another longhaul flight has to depart after airplanes from these regional cities return, + transfer time, so that these pax can be fed to longhaul plane. With only one longhaul plane not so many good connections can be established. When JAT used to fly to these overseas destinations who were majority of passengers, people from EX-YU or did it have many foreign transfer passengers?
ReplyDeleteAlso another thing - from BEG to Toronto should be over 8 hours flight time + around 9 hrs on return journey... let's say 17 hours + 2-3 hrs layover in Toronto, it means only a few hours of layover time in Belgrade before next flight if the aircraft is to be utilised everyday. How long is it needed for longhaul aircraft to do maintenance - ie since aircraft spends most of the time flying after how many longhaul flights does aircraft have to be taken for some longer maintenance/servicing?
ReplyDeleteGood question. Having a single plane that can fly a route is very risky. If it breaks down, there is nothing that can be done.
Delete"C Check" is a maintenance visit that happens about every two years, and it requires the plane to be out of action for 2-4 weeks.
"D Check" happens about every five years. It requires the plane to be out of action for more than two months.
What if the plane is delayed when returning from Toronto, and it is scheduled for its next flight in only a few hours. There needs to be some kind of back up.
Chicago is even worse. The round trip including layover time is very near to 24 hours.
During C and D checks they can probably lease a plane from some other airline (during down season), but I was more thinking how often are line and light maintenance checks performed on a longhaul flights - ie is 2-3 hours during turnaround enough, how often plane needs to spend a few hours for A check or some more serious but light maintenance. In other words, other companies that fly longhaul flights - do they take plane off service once weekly, or once in 2 weeks, how does it work? (of course on regional flights maintenance is done overnight).
DeleteI’m sure that talking about transatlantic flights is bit premature to say the least but if they do end up flying here I think YYZ might be their best option compared to NYC or Chicago. There is a lot of immigrants from eastern Europe here, a lot of them fairly recent (have stronger ties to homeland) and the airport generally lacks competition to Eastern Europe (mostly held by LH and OS). With decent prices and good connections everybody is going to welcome them, even people from ex-Yu countries trust me.
ReplyDeleteDžejms Hogan, predsednik i generalni direktor „Etihada“, ...od Beograda do Čikaga najkasnije početkom 2016. godine.
ReplyDeletePrva linija biće Čikago, jer je tu najveća dijaspora, ne samo srpska, već iz svih republika bivše SFRJ. Jer, za letove ka SAD, „Er Srbija“ i „Etihad“ računaju na putnike sa celog Balkana.
- „Er Srbija“ će povezati ceo region - navodi Hogan. - Mrežu planiramo da širimo u odnosu na srpsku, ali i hrvatsku, bosansku, crnogorsku dijasporu. Otvaraćemo nove rute, a svakako je Čikago prva destinacija o kojoj razmišljamo.
http://www.novosti.rs/vesti/naslovna/ekonomija/aktuelno.239.html:490070-Er-Srbija-prevozi-ceo-region