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| Prime Minister confident in Air Serbia's transatlantic success |
The Serbian Prime Minister, Aleksandar Vučić, has announced that flights from Belgrade to the United States will be launched at the end of the year or in early 2016 at the latest. The comments were made days before the Prime Minister begins his official visit to the United States and only two weeks after a Bilateral Air Service Agreement was signed between the two countries. Mr. Vučić confirmed that New York City will be the first destination to be served in the States by national carrier Air Serbia. “The first destination will be New York and not Chicago as previously announced, but ultimately it is up to Air Serbia to decide”, the PM said.
Mr. Vučić conceded that it will take some time before transatlantic flights begin generating a profit. “I am confident that we will be a reliable partner [to the US] and there will be no problems on our behalf. We will meet the highest standards and flights to New York and Toronto will be full. During the first two years we won’t lose too much money, but afterwards these flights will be extremely profitable for our airline”, the Prime Minister noted. He added that the recently signed Bilateral Air Service Agreement, which regulates flight operations between the two countries, is “good and important news” for relations between Serbia and the United States.
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| Serbia - US Bilateral Air Service Agreement |
Recently, the CEO of Air Serbia, Dane Kondić, said that no decision has been made on launching flights to the United States but confirmed the airline is continuing to evaluate the feasibility of transatlantic services. “No decision has been made. There has been a lot of talk about it. We haven’t actually said anything about it. The government is a shareholder in the business and they've asked us to look at the feasibility of serving North America. We are in throes of doing studies and analysis. Now, simultaneously, and not to prejudice the outcome of what analysis is going to show us, we've asked the government to make sure everything regulatory, that would enable us to fly, if we decide to fly, is in place”. Mr. Kondić noted that Air Serbia’s analysis of future transatlantic flights has been based around Airbus A330-200 aircraft. The CEO said the airline would follow a similar process in leasing the jets as it did with other members of its fleet.
Again politicians talk and airline is silent...now, PM says the first one will be New York and not Chicago as previously announced but it still up to the airline to decide. So basically, nobody knows anything for sure. I will rather wait for JU, not PM announcement with exact date and destination and say that something is actually happening on that long haul front.
ReplyDeleteHow can a Prime Minister decide on which route will be served first? They are obsessed with New York, which doesn't make any sense to me. Chicago has a bigger diaspora and more people travel there from Serbia. Even Hogan said how that would be a logical choice to start flights to. It's as if members of the government are planning private trips to NYC and need that service first.
ReplyDeleteLate 2015 is awfully close and to me unrealistic. You would have to start selling tickets right about now. Diaspora travelers are notorious for booking months and months in advance.
ReplyDeleteInside info says JU is only planing regular charters during the summer to the US
ReplyDeleteSummer charters to start at the end of 2015 or early 2016? Hahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!
DeleteIt won't start in late 2015 or early 2016. It will start during 2016 summer season.
DeleteThat would not make sense. Lease the aircraft, train the crew, prepare BEG for those flights and then say its only for 3-4 month.
DeleteWhat does your insider say will be planned use for those A330 in the off season? If there is no plan, your insider might be spreading fake news?
DeleteIt is political route, everyone know that. Because of that it is not important if it is profitable, even PM said so. As income of that route is not important it is also not priority to sell ticket in advance or to have good LF. This route will be financed from Serbian tax office with goal to be biggest promo for PM and to make him some political points. That is why PM announce route, why Kondić said he have doubts (to blackmail PM about money to invest in route) and why PM already announce that it will not be profitable for 2 years (read: it will lost huge amount of money for at least two years).
ReplyDelete+1, Also neighbouring countries will get cheap tickets to NY funded by Serbian taxpayer.
DeleteFact is that routes take time to profitability. Some quicker than others (compare Beirut and Budapest as an example). There is a bigger cost involved with the Trans Atlantic flights. O&D pax helps fill the flights but that doesnt mean it will be profitable. How many of those diaspora is willing to pay for a J class ticket? Also fact is that we dont know what is planned for N America, we dont have a confirmed destination, neither a date nor schedule. All we have is small talk from 3 sides with the Serbian government on one, JU on the other and as well as comments from Hogan. Lets not judge a book by its cover and wait for the real announcement. Who knows, the flights may be great for Serbian exports which benefits us too. Lets not forget our neighbours will be paying their ticket with a Serbian company staffed by Serbian nationals etc etc rather than with their own domestic carrier or LH, OS, LX, TK. Serbs tend to forget that the airline they trash the past year employed hundreds of otherwise unemployed young Serbians, who now positively contribute to our economy by actually have money to spend in Serbia being for a cup of coffee or a pair of jeans, all of which has a tax funding our budget!
Delete@JATBEGMEL: I think that you are missing the point that everybody is making. It's not for the PM to annouce what ASL are to do. It's for the GM of ASL. This is just another case whereas politicians in the Balkans are trying to get involved in other peoples business. Nobody should, if in their right mind, believe a shit that is coming from politicians here.
DeleteASL has a management, a board of Directors and they are the once to take decisions on operational issues. The owners as in this case, Serbia, is to make sure that their investment has no problem from legislation or other issues to develop.
We, living in Serbia, have for more then a month on a daily basis been listening that he is going to the US, and who he's going to meet with.
We don't care, we do not need to hear him everyday for 30 minutes and what he has done.
He needs just to deliver results and let ASL do their job.
+1 to Anon 12:21:
DeleteWe all know that the CEO of Zadar Airport has been asked not to talk in the press about her discussions with ASL by Ethidad. Now the PM is our blabbing....we all know who runs the show at ASL. It's professional people with know-how, experience etc, please let them continue running the show and less talk from politicians . But he just can't shut up and just do his job...this is the main news in Serbia for the past 24 hours......
Let's not forget that ASL is of special importance for Vucic because it's the only project that has not failed (yet).
DeleteA few months ago we had Air Serbia, Zelezara and the South Stream which were the government's solutions to the crisis, we know what happened to 2/3 of them.
"neighbouring countries will get cheap tickets to NY funded by Serbian taxpayer."
DeletePriceless. What if it's not a neighbouring country, does your "logic" still apply? Are passengers from BEG getting cheap tickets to NY because they are funded by Austrian or German taxpayer?
"This is just another case whereas politicians in the Balkans are trying to get involved in other peoples business."
So bilaterals are not something politicians get involved with, it's just a business decision? Amazing!
This is how Belgrade, Zagreb and Ljubljana got their flights to the USA, another Balkan politician:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eP5HXpjwz68/VTKCH9rJCSI/AAAAAAAAQ6A/qt1QwGj1Aw0/s1600/jat2.jpg
^^^
DeleteI agree that Vucic should keep quiet on the Trans Atlantic flights. I like the fact that it is his government that finally did something with Jat Airways, I like the fact that it is because of this deal that Serbia finally has a growing national carrier, and agree completely that JU should be left to the professional management team to work. My view is that if Vucic wants to talk more on Serbian aviation, he will remove Sasa Vlaisavljevic from BEG management and finally get a team to bring in a definate plan for the airport. JU is growing, BEG still doesnt have a definate plan for the future, and until that solution comes, it will eventually harm JU and its plans for futher growth.
My comment is mainly at my disagreement that these flights will be funding our neighbour countries cheap tickets to the US and benefit them more. My view is that Serbia has more to gain, even if hypothetically most pax are transit.
While the PM is talking out of his behind, NY might make more sense than Chicago. Don't think just about Serbian diaspora, think of all the connecting flights from BEG. NY is a bigger market.
ReplyDeleteTako je. Ljudi pišu samo o etničkim putnicima. Ako "ostalih"ne bude 50%, let ne vredi ni započinjati a NYC je mnogo veće tržište od Chicaga. Na letu za AbuDhabi 90% putnika su tranzitni putnici.
DeleteThere is though a small Serbian dispora in Ridgewood and Glendale Queens.
DeleteLike I said a few days ago for the Croatia Airlines CEO announcing new planes every other day I will say the same to the Serbian government - Less talking more action!
ReplyDeleteI will believe it when I see it.
ReplyDeleteO.T. Lot confirmed on their facebook that all their flight to Belgrade are suspended. Suspension start on 1. July
ReplyDeleteFor most travel dates they were much more expencive than Air Serbia which was not sustainable.
DeleteIf any one is interested, 70% of passengers at JU are transit passengers.
DeleteGreat news for asl then. Waw will be much better filled.
DeleteZagreb cancelled by LOT as well!
DeleteDoes anybody know what will happen with pax who booked flights from N.America to BEG or ZAG? How will they be rerouted after July 1? I am curious since before I found the 9W bargain, I was confident I will book Lot.
DeleteJa mislim da ce biti ovako imacete dug let YYZ-WAW-VIE-BEG ili ce vas odma prebaciti na OS mozda .
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They will be re-routed via Vienna, Munich, Frankfurt and Zurich.
DeleteINN-NS,
DeleteJa cu leteti sa Jet Airways iz BRU, ali pitam za Lot letove zato sto mi je to bila druga opcija i planirao sam inicijalno da letim sa njima.
"They will be re-routed via Vienna, Munich, Frankfurt and Zurich."
That would make sense, especially since Lot is in Star Alliance.
Not only that they are a member but they are totally integrated into the Lufthansa Group.
DeleteNo they won't ... they'll be re-accommodated on JU from WAW .... These sorts of things happen regularly and airlines move passengers to and from each other in such situations ... when there are flight delays and cancellations on a daily basis, reaccommodations just happen in the normal course of business
DeleteNo, they won't. It's cheaper to reroute them via Star hubs due to special fare systems.
DeleteSure they will ... they have already spoken to JU about this .... why do you think they are pulling off the route ?
DeleteLot's doom started the moment LH forced them to suspend the code-share. Also, I know who you are, don't you have better things to do than to lurk around this blog? Your writing style is easily recognized.
DeleteAnd I know that because I...am... forwarded... your... e-mails. ;)
DeleteThe king of ...
+1 to each one of the above. Now we are just waiting for the "scoop-man" INN-SNS.
ReplyDeleteReally hope it will materialize but then again it is not vital as they represent it. An airline can live without US flights.
ReplyDeletePS. really like the new look. Refreshing and easier to read :)
Kondić also said that the A330-200 would come from "the family". Etihad will have many new deliveries of 787s this year so they are going to have some A330-200s to spare. They have already leased a couple of those to Aliitalia. They will help Air Serbia survive eventual price war with Lufthansa and others by leasing that aircraft way under current market price. These are called "transfer prices" and are widely used in trade between parent comany and its international equity partners. Oposite is also true. Air Serbia probably flies to Muscat on behalf of Etihad for a much lower price than current market price making profit artificially smaller.
ReplyDeletePavle
He didn't say that at all. What he said was that they would first look within the family to see what aircraft were available, but would also look outside the family via leasing companies ...
DeleteYes, but if you lease an A330 on the open market you have to pay the full (high) price. Etihad will help them at the beginning by leasing an A330 way under the normal price, thus reducing costs to Air Serbia, giving them more room to respond to the competition wihtout sustaining large losses. This is the whole point of those "synegries" Kondić was talking about.
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You are correct - anything that could come from Etihad will more than likely be cheaper than going to the market to lease an aircraft. I was simply trying to correct what Anon @ 10.52 am said - which was that any aircraft would come from within the Etihad family as a fait accompli - which it isn't. ASL needs to know that if it does go for a widebody, that it gets it on the best commercial terms and conditions - whether that be from within Etihad or not
DeleteSame could be said for maintenace: It is not economical for Air Serbia to train staff and stock up on parts just for one or two A330s. MRO will be done in AUH. Pilots are probably going to come from Etihad as well. So, the A330 will probeably rotate AUH-BEG-JFK. Air Serbia is only going to have its livery and some FAs on the A330 which is still AWESOME! I think everything will turn out simular to ČSA PRG-ICN flights.
DeletePavle
Ne bice 16 Capt i FO od ASL i letece u prosirenoj formaciji po 3.
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Hahaha prosirena formacija... Jel to samo za jfk ili i za pek?
DeleteJel znas mozda ako ce i aa iz lax leteti u prosirenoj formaciji?
I would like to know how many airlines that fly to the US do not have online check in.
ReplyDeleteUzbekistan Airways TAS->JFK via RIX
DeleteSome loads for today:
ReplyDeleteBEG-BNX 26/70
BNX-BEG 44/70
BEG-ZAG 18/66
ZAG-BEG 60/66
BEG-LJU 33/70
LJU-BEG 59/70
FCO-BEG 145/147
BEG-LHR 125/128 (5+120)
INN-(S)NS stay away.
Meni ovo nije loše, pogotovo sto je najveci broj putnika za BNX, LJU i ZAG u tranzitu.
DeleteJutarnja Banja Luka je fantasticna.
Deleteneophodno je usladiti te talase, da ne bude vise loadfactor u jednom pravcu 90% a u drugom 30% iako je na AT7 break-even LF oko 50%
DeleteBreak-even is different for each route, some are higher and some are lower. BNX is around 35%.
DeleteThis isn't too bad at all. I think LF will only improve as JU expands their waves and operations.
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Guys, maybe a stupid question: if for instance breakeven is 50%, how do you get to that number considering that fares are not fixed and not all are P2P pax? How is the calculation made, based on what yield - is there some standard one for the purpose?
DeleteKao sto sam vec odavno rekao pocinju letovi za YYZ i JFK.
ReplyDeleteI ponovo sam upravu.
I ne znam zasto mi je obrisan prvi post.
INN-NS
Imam neki osecaj da ce i AA da uskoci u igru makar sezonski iz LAX manje verovatno ali 99 % iz ORD :
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AA iz LAX i ORD za Beograd, dete na kakvim si ti drogama ?
DeletePonovo niste dobro protumacili.
DeleteIz ORD ja mislim da hoce makar sezonski 2-3 pw ima potencijala uz codeshare sa ASL.
INN-NS
Kako da ne, evo ih trce u Beograd a iz Helsinkija su se povukli.
DeleteE svašta.. ovo je već uzelo maha.
DeleteNije nego mi nismo tako pametni da bi razumeli sta alpski emeritus pise.
DeletePozdrav sa Aerodroma Inn posto me ne razumete videcete i onako za jedan let nedeljno iz ORD leti ima kapacitet.
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Dream big, mozda jednog dana AA leti Majami-Beograd!
DeleteComments today remind me of comments when Novak Djokovic won his first Wimbledon and 1st place on ATP chart: a lot of bitter and butthurt comments. Tennis comments nowadays are more like "I used to say Novak is a bad player but now I see how wrong I was".
ReplyDeleteHere's what troubles me ... we are in Jun (practically) and ASL has no aircraft, no confirmed slots to anywhere and which only get sorted in Oct/Nov for summer 2016), no TSA audit of the airline or the airport and the reports say that flying will begin by end of year or early next year - in the offseason, when there is very little traffic or demand .....
ReplyDeleteSomething doesn't add up here ....
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DeleteWhat reports? Air Serbia hasnt announced anything. All they have officially stated is that they are looking into the numbers of possibly starting the flights. The only mention of these time frames is coming from the Serbian government, who of course have said many things and are yet to deliver. Vucic isnt the manager to JU, nor does he make the decisions. Yes, the government plays its role in sourcing agreements and approvals, but it is Kondic and his team who make the decisions in JU, and not Vucic. Lets wait for official wording from JU.
DeleteFlying to and from the US is not as easy as the PM might think, there has to be a number of approvals in place covering everything from FAA, TSA to Health and Animals. The airfield has to be approved even though it js a CAT3 airport "prior AFS-400" approval. All this applies regardless of it is ASL or an US carrier. BEG does NOT have any approval at the moment.
ReplyDeleteAlso visa restruictions, Serbians can't go to USA just like PM likes to think. And visa procedure for Serbians is almost identical as is for Russians and other non-EU nationals, very complicated and lengthy.
DeleteNo one said BEG needs the approval at the moment. They are all talking about end of year. Whatever the gap is between current state and future state required for all approvals should be closed in the coming months. After all, US ambassador also said the flights will likely start by then, and we have to assume he is well informed and aware of any outstanding gaps. Are you saying that gaps cannot be closed by then? If so, please explain.
DeleteAs for visas, people tend to forget most passengers will be diaspora and they already have US or Canadian passports or work/permanent visas. People travelling from Serbia and the region across the Atlantic will in most cases visit families that will help them obtain visitor visas. Visa issues are not stopping LH/OS/TK and others from carrying hundreds of thousands passengers from the Ex Yu to the USA and Canada, so the same will be true for Air Serbia. No need to panic, it's all going to be okay - Air Serbia will start flying there by next spring.
You say that last part with such vigour and confidence my boy. Is it just intution or wishful thinking?
DeleteI will start with the last part first: To be honest with you the visa issue is not something I see as a problem. Most of the pax on this flights will be as on the other, transit. Going to/from the US and the Balkans.
DeleteNow the main issue: BEG has to first of all comply with all the regulations of FAA, TSA, Health & Animal etc. Trust me, the Ambassador however nice he is has NO idea about all the rules and regulations, he is just a civil survant doing his task as an ambassador. He has no in-depth knowledge whatsoever of the aviation industry. When it comes to the transit passengers, BEG should getting some vision on how the want to SERVE all the transit passengers coming thru on the airport, i.e restaurants, shops, toilets etc. Moving from arrival to departure. What to do on the airport while waiting for their connection to Dubrovnik, Zadar, Skopje, Pristina, Tirana etc.
While they are considering the internal passengers flow inside the terminal they need to start think about the operational movement of aircraft, embarking and disembarking, turnaround times for the airlines, de-icing ques and about another million things that takes place on an airport. Gaps can of course be closed, but you need to INVEST, you need to have a plan, since the previous masterplan was published a few things has happened within the aviation industry....perhaps an update could be useful? Perhaps hiring a masterplan director, with EXPERIENCE.
All this takes time, sometimes years, and since they have not invested in the past 2 years....they are way behind. They need time, lots of time and even more money.
I could go on and on forever, but as they are not doing anything - the uphill will just get bigger and bigger and at the end of the day they are loosing because the traffic will be cramped, and it starts becoming an safety issue.....less revenue, less profit, less investments...
Coming back to you question. No they do not need the approval tomorrow. But to get an approval they need time, time to figure out what they need in order to get the approval, time to plan, time to execute and then time for the inspection......and then perhaps late next year they might get the approval.
Running an airport is a never ending story of investments and planning for the future, constantly revising plans IF you want to be on top.
I personally think that BEG has a golden oppertiunity to get something intelligent done, now since they have been blessed by the Arab investment in ASL.
Just don't screw up things, again.
Anon @ 7.58pm .... Ok, so you say that most of this traffic will come not from Serbia, but from USA ? So how big you think is this market ? The Serbian diaspora in US is not so big at all. Look at official statistics shown on wikipedia link below which quotes US Census Bureau...
Deletehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_diaspora
It says 189,000 Serbs in total in USA and only 80,000 in canada ....
Not sure where you got your number of "hundreds of thousands" from ....
I have been very critical of how BEG airport sale/concession/partnership has been handled in the past 1,5-2 years, even to the point of calling it single biggest threat to ASL future. BEG concession aside, what acute issue BEG has that must be resolved for TATL flights to start? I don't expect many showstopers that won't be cleared in the next few months.
Delete@AnonymousMay 30, 2015 at 8:48 PM
DeleteI am bit lost, you're adding all these destinations in Exd-YU as if some sort of certainty.
Example, Croatia and Slovenia are very well connected with major hubs, London, Paris, Frankfurt,.Amsterdam, Munich and Vienna, why would anyone from these two Diasporas even want to fly to Belgrade when they have better connections via London, Paris, Amsterdam and so on.
in fact this is totally irrelevant issue to be honest, you simply can't fly on Diaspora alone, u need business and tourists coming, and this simply can't happen with entire Serbia attracting less visitors than Zagreb.
I really don't see where you're getting your optimism from. Vucic is wasting money on Air Serbia when you have unemployment of 26% and budget deficit of 14%, country on verge of bankruptcy and no end to economic troubles.
Imagine when the TSA come over to do their audit and then check out the ease of access to the airport from the back of Jat Tehnika ? Can't wait for that one
ReplyDeleteI know! :) There is just so many things that has to happened out there, investments to be done, and they have NOT done anything since 2013! And now they are looking at a masterplan from 2003.... stupidity seems to run in the family.... :) TSA, FAA and the rest will not give any approval until the things are on place, working. I'm not concerned about ASL, it's BEG......!!!
ReplyDeleteThey will screw up the expansion of ASL.
Misa Brkic from Pescanik writing about these US flights
ReplyDeletehttp://pescanik.net/dosoljeno-i-bljutavo/
Sto vi uporno reklamirate te online novine koje nisu vredne ovde da budu .
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Nisu novine nego portal. A Brkić na tvom nivou, kao i uvek. Gde su nestali ozbiljni kometari iz vazduhoplovstva u ovoj zemlji?
DeleteMolim vas ne mojte me uporedjivati sa njim hvala unapred.
DeleteINN-NS
А ти си као вредан да будеш на овом сајту? А?
DeleteJesam isto kao i vi gospodine.
DeleteINN-NS
Америчко министарство транспорта није ономад одлучивало да ли ће Ер Сербија добити дозволу да слеће на америчке аеродроме него да ли ће код-шер са Ер Берлином, и пре тога код-шер са Етихадом за лет до Америке тим компанијама бити одобрен. Каква неистина у том тексту!
DeleteПа каже да Ер Сербија као део Етихада и због субвеција које Етихад добија, не може да слеће на америчке аеродроме? Истина је да Етихад свакодневно слеће да многе америчке аеродроме, без забране.
Hehe, Brkić misli da u ovoj zemlji niko ne prati vazduhoplovstvo. Prosto ne verovatno da kod mase ljudi on vazi za autoritet? Tužno.
DeleteUpravu ste covek gore lupa nego ja nekad .
DeleteI steta sto nema neki dobar casopis u ex yu o aviaciji kao sto ovde u Austriji ima nego komentarise svako ko stigne kao ovaj anonimni portal pescanik.
Ajmo na njihov fb fan page da im kazemo istinu a ne sto ovaj laze.
INN-NS
Inn ne pali se.
DeleteKorean Air just left Zagreb. Brought 272 visitors.
ReplyDeleteGo Zagreb!
DeleteI can't wait June 24, for Toronto to start as well
DeleteHere we see two opposing forces. Hogan and Kondic are doing everything they can to keep all new developments on the down-low. Their strategy is to keep everything secret until the very last moment. This is why nobody officially knew about the sixth ATR (there were a few leaks), and also why Tirana and Zagreb were not announced until the very last minute. Also, Air Serbia's Code or Business Conduct (available on Air Serbia's website) covers a lot about leaking information and the ethical aspects.
ReplyDeleteThe other opposing force is Vucic and his friends, who wish to make everything known and wanting everything to be in the news and talked about.
I don't think either side is to be trusted, Hogan and Kondić won't be giving any definite answers, and Vucic will say anything to be in the spotlight, much to the dismay of Hogan and Kondić who wish to keep everything a surprise.
G Aleksandre
DeleteSta vi mislite hoceli neka Americka Aviokompanija poceti sa letovima.
INN-NS
An American airline flying from USA to Serbia? Zero chance.
DeleteThey don't operate on the same principles as European airlines, esspecially on long haul.
Their strategy is to limit capacity as much as possible so yields can be high, and this is why they send B757s and B767s wherever they can. They can't send a 757 to BEG because it is too far, and thus they must send a 767. A 767 would be too big for them, and thus they would have to decrease their yields. It is more profitable for them to route Serbia-USA traffic through their JV and codeshare partners in West Europe.
Delta has access through AF/KLM, and United has access through Lufthansa, Austrian, and Swiss. American doesn't even have access because British left BEG long ago, which speaks about how insignificant our market really is, unfortunately.
The USB3 are done playing games, and now they are in serious money making mode. As a passenger, I try to avoid them as much as possible, although I will be flying United's B767-400 on my way to Serbia this September.
This goes hand in hand with what I have written above and for months on this site. BEG is the BIG issue, they are not even close to be ready for any expansion. The issue is that Ethidad and the board has invested a PILE of money into ASL, they are now looking at the management and asking for the ROIC....I think that ASL is close to their capacity and if they do not get any help from BEG in investments in infrastructure that will increase the capacity....who will approve putting in two A330's on BEG-USA.....it's not just to have two aircrafts on the tarmac, it's a huge investment in spare parts, crews in both places.....runway issues etc. I think that our young friend from the mountains can keep on dreaming like he did on Wednesday in regards of the concession for a long time to come, he and Vucic with family.
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DeleteNisam znao da se i vi zovete Aleksandar.
A gde vi zivite Gospodine posto ja ne zivim .
G Aleksandre
To sam se poprilicno iznenadio kad sam video da za MAN i DUS salju 757
Ja mislim da bi sezonski uz dobar codeshare sa ASL mogu napuniti 788 ili A332 2- 3 pw makar sezonski .
INN-NS
Aleksandre, transatlantic aspirations for Air Serbia were visible from the start, no need to be surprised by it or to keep that long term goal secret. I know everyone wants to wow everyone like Steve Jobs and say "one more thing" before pulling out iphone out of your pocket, but A330 is too big to fit in the pocket! Elon Musk does not try to hide his aspiration to go to Mars. Long term goals should be public, operational not so much. It's okay for Air Serbia to insipire us with longhaul dreams, but WiFi intro date should be off limits.
DeleteNow I am not here to dispense any legal advice, but anyone working directly or as a contractor for any airline, airport, MRO, supplier etc should not be posting ANYTHING here, not a leak, not an opinion, not any comment AT ALL, not even as anonymous - without explicit authorization from employer to do so. I am saying that without even looking at any codes of conduct. Even if it's not listed specifically in "The Code", but it can become public because of you: don't - that's all you need to know.
The only reason I have been free to post my (frequently wrong) opinion is that I am none of the above. I love aviation and it's no secret I would love to see ASL and BEG grow, but you would't hear a thing from me if I worked for them. So I can speculate that ASL A330-200 will have General Electric CF6-80 engines, I explained that yesterday, and I could just as well be wrong!
Yeah, but Vucic is trying to say the details, such as routes and time frame, which the management of Air Serbia wants to be kept inside the company. They surely have their own time frame and they know which routes will be the most profitable.
DeleteINN, try learning about "opportunity cost". No airline has infinite planes, and they must choose the routes that will earn the most money. BEG is at the bottom of the list for American carriers.
Steta sto je istina takva a ne drugacija , ali to je samo moja zelja da AA leti sa 788 ili A332 .
DeleteAli takodje mi je cudno to dodatno spominjanje kako ce doci mozda neka US kompanija ( ovo sad lupam ali moguca je cak i DL zbog saradnje sa AF-KL ) . Ja mislim da ce u JFK imati saradnju sa Jet blue .
Ali videcemo do jeseni sta ce na kraju ispasti hoceli jos neko osim ASL leteti .
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Delete'I try to avoid them as much as possible, although I will be flying United's B767-400 on my way to Serbia this September.'
Dear oh dear Aleksandar, when finally deciding to give the USA big 3 a go you chose United!! I hope they offer a better product compared to what the offer of their USA - Australia flights. The 767-400 does sound cool though!
Personally I have flown Delta across the Pacific a few times and my experience in has always been pleasant. I usually fly economy comfort with Delta. Next trip would probably be with QF again since apparently they have improves a lot.
Haha, I am fully aware that United is shit tier, but I live near one of their hubs, so I get to fly them much more often than I like!
DeleteI always say, United is the LCC of Star Alliance, somehow they are always way cheaper for me. Luckily I am flying Austrian's 772 on the way back.
I fly six sectors on this round trip (3 each way) and I get to sample 6 different planes:
United 738
United 764
Lufty A319
Austrian Fokker 100
Austrian 772
United 752
I have also flown Delta a few times, although only domestic and to Canada. They are fine, but I don't appreciate 2 hours flights to Canada in an ERJ145!
How is Economy Comfort? I have never done anything but straight economy, so is it worth it?
For a 14 hour Sydney to LA sector it is definitely worth it!
DeleteOn Delta, you get an extra 4 inches of leg room, priority catering service and the flight attendants are always prompt. They also occasionally walk around with a basket of fresh fruit which I thought was a very nice and inexpensive touch.
For a 14 hour Sydney to LA sector it is definitely worth it!
DeleteOn Delta, you get an extra 4 inches of leg room, priority catering service and the flight attendants are always prompt. They also occasionally walk around with a basket of fresh fruit which I thought was a very nice and inexpensive touch.
I agree with you and in the world of business there are 2 main reasons why you keep shut. 1) Not to disclose to your competition what your plans are, not because you have a competition per say at a specific location, but you competition might figure out what you are sacrifying in another place, even the arabs will not invest like there is no tomorrow. 2) Plans might CHANGE, so if you have not promised anything until there is no return on plans, shut up so nobody can blame you if it doesn't happen for some reason.
ReplyDeleteSamo za drage zabrinute i ozbiljne shabane USA viza se dobija isti dan najcesce na 10 godina vec skoro 10 godina. Za razliku od Engleske koja se salje u Varsavu i obicno stize u poslednji momenat, a pre toga ne mozete da putujete zbog nje.
ReplyDeleteUSA viza se ne dobija isti dan. Ona se MOZE dobiti isti dan, a i ne mora se dobiti uopste. Diskreciono pravo konzularnog sluzbenika. A o tome da li se USA viza cesce dobija ili uopste ne dobija, najbolje govori postotak odbijenih zahteva, koji je u nivou sa nekim africkim zemljama
DeleteSvako sa urednim papirima dobija vizu. To što postoji veći broj odbijenih govori o ljudima koji se ne informišu ko i kako može u USA a ne o njima. Nalazimo se u grupi zemalja čijim se gradjanima izdaju vize na 10 godina sa više ulazaka što je korak do bizviznog režima. U svakom slučaju, lakše je dobiti USA vizu nego britansku na žalost.
DeleteNe radi se o odbijenim vec o onim koji se ne vrate posle dobijene vize, taj procenat je jos uvek prevelik.
DeleteAs other users have said, the big big thing hindering these flights and any further ASL expansion in general is the mess that is BEG airport. I think it needs to be sold IMMEDIATELY because the government clearly has not got the skills to run the airport successfully. They need to proceed with extra gates/terminal floor as soon as possible. Hopefully it is sold to VINCI or some other international company with real business expertise soon.
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No it is not. One daily flight is around 100.000 which is not problem for BEG, lets say they will have three daily flights to USA and Canada that will be 300000 more which is nothing. You can sold your house but not airport.
DeleteWell it's not just that flight that would provide additional passengers because in order to profitably launch TATL flights they would have to expand the network a bit more to feed those flights which would add more passengers to the mix thereby maxing out BEG's terminal capacity.
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