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| Serbia aims to resolve charter flight issues |
The Serbian Parliament has adopted changes to the country’s Air Transport Law which specifies tighter regulation for charter operators. It comes after two Turkish (Freebird and Corendon Airlines) and one Egyptian charter carrier (Nesma Airlines) were blocked from operating leisure flights to Belgrade by the Serbian Ministry for Construction, Transport and Infrastructure. According to the modified Air Transport Law, the Ministry will no longer have a say in which carrier is issued a license to operate flights. That decision will now firmly rest with the Serbian Civil Aviation Directorate (CAD). Previously, the CAD issued permits to charter airlines based on the advisory opinion of the Ministry. Tour operators have begun cancelling holiday packages with over 600 people already affected by the government’s decision to withhold permits from the abovementioned airlines. Operators have said the move is part of the government’ protectionist policy towards national carrier Air Serbia.
The Assistant Minister in charge of air transport, Zoran Ilić, says talks are underway with Turkish authorities to resolve the ongoing issue. However, Mr. Ilić also notes, “In previous years Serbian carriers expressed no interest to operate charter flights, which made it possible for anyone to fly to Serbia. Foreign carriers are well aware that there are certain procedures in place when it come to this market”. He adds, ”We have already started talks with the Turkish side and the results of those talks will lead to a solution”. The Minister for Construction, Transport and Infrastructure, Zorana Mihajlović, believes that tour operators are required to check whether airlines have been issued permits before selling travel packages. However, the law itself states that tour operators must first conclude agreements with charter airlines before they can apply for a permit.
The fallout from the government’s decision to block several charter carriers from operating services to the Serbian capital has not only put holiday plans at risk for thousands of travellers, but also threatened to impact passenger numbers at Belgrade Nikola Tesla Airport. “In previous years there were no clear guidelines for charter flights. The new law deals with this area in greater detail so it can no longer be interpreted in different ways”, Ms. Mihajlović says. Meanwhile, the new Air Transport Law has been criticised by Serbian pilots, more on which you can read here.
"Foreign carriers are well aware that there are certain procedures in place when it come to this market". LOL. what makes Serbia so special? This guy needs a reality check.
ReplyDeleteWhat do you expect? The man handled security at the airport and is now an assistant to the minister...
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DeleteZoran Ilic is just trying to save a seat for himself as the ship is sinking....I just wonder who will be the new Director of CAD....perhaps Ilic?!
DeleteNo way. The current head is Zorana's cousin so as long as she is in the government the head of the CAD will not change.
DeleteLast anon,
DeleteYugoslavia might be dead but nepotism is still very much alive. Such a shame that our region is being destroyed like that. Same thing here in Croatia, just look at Kucko.
+1000......
DeleteFinally and I hope this actually works and is not just a law on paper.
ReplyDeleteThe pilot thing is a bit worrying.
The complete ministry is an absolute joke. BTW there was no public hearing of this new law.
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DeleteSo if I understood it well, the government will be going against the labour law it introduced a few months ago? How wonderful. I wonder if Air Serbia is behind this so that it can force pilots to operate two longer segments in stead of the current short+long.
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DeleteI presume that if there will be an increase of work time, there surely will also be an increase in compensation, no?
ReplyDeleteHow much is expected from pilots to fly in the US/Canada during a the month. Thanks.
DeleteMost carriers have a monthly minimum of 70, 74, or 75 hours of flight time.
DeleteOften carriers will pay overtime above a certain amount.
Absolute maximum permitted is 1000 hours per year, which is around 83 per month.
There have been new laws that greatly increased pilot rest time in America recently, but now Serbia is going in the opposite direction.
Until an incident occurs...
DeleteYeah! Serbia is a special place on the planet and our pilots cannot work like the rest of the EU/US pilots....we always seem to need special laws in the Balkans.....and somehow they are always against the rest of the world.
DeleteUnfortunately this small part of the world operates very differently to the real world. I feel sorry for people who suffer as a result.
Delete73-75h if we take 7 days (not 5 days) is in average approx 11h of flying per day... which then tells us that pilots can very well fit two longer flights i.e. CDG with easy every day... and if we count on 5 days working week calculation get even different ... so...
DeleteWhere would they be working today if JAT was closed down ?
Delete@Pera Kojot
DeleteThat's 73-75h of flight time a month and up to 1000h total flight time for the year.
According to flightradar24 Corendon Airlines (XC) flight 1904 departed BEG for AYT at 03:30AM this morning?
ReplyDeleteInteresting. There is no info about that flight on the BEG airport website and they always list charter flights as well.
DeleteThere was no XC flight AYT-BEG-AYT this morning, ie. the flights were cancelled. Look closely at flightradar24.com.
DeleteThere was also flight flight BEG-HRG on 14th and then HRG-BEG few days later ... but that was special corporate charter for Oriflame Cosmetics. Swedish company that SE Ambassador had to intervene.
DeleteThe best solution is to just ban all foreign charter airlines so that Dane can deploy the archaic Aviolet metal to the seaside resorts. It's the best and easiest solution.
ReplyDeleteBtw I am surprised no one mentioned that Serbian has been banned in JU and employees are only allowed to communicate (meetings, emails...) in English.
Really? Nice touch after banning the Cyrillic. Here goes the 'national airline'.
DeleteThe other day two ladies were sending out a plan to the other departments and the mail came to Dane as well and he replied directly to them asking them why the mail was not in English. Btw the text was something like: please find attached the plan.
DeletePathetic really.
You asked for it, now look and enjoy!
DeleteWhat do you mean?
DeleteSeriously? Is this the best you can do? I've worked in a number of multinational companies and the company language is always english. If you want ASL to perform like any other pan-European company etc, you have to have international staff. There are just not enough people here in Serbia that talented/educated/experienced enough, so you need international employees.
DeleteOf course you should have english as the company language. Mails and plans etc might have to be forwarded to other people in other countries....or should the rest of the world have to learn Serbian and cyrillic?
Please give it a rest now and decide if you want to be part of an international world or if the sun is to move around Serbia.
Nice so basically Serbia doesn't have enough skilled people so let's bring more from abroad... The young can just keep on going abroad.
DeleteMind you the rule is that wven during the innternal meetings when only Serbs are present they still havr to speak only English. It's an idiocy and it's being imposed by Dane because he doesn't speak his native language.
Only serbs in a meeting speaking english IS too much..the rest it is a normal practice for international companies...
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DeleteVi se zalazete za Cirilicu a sami pisete na Engleskom nije mi jasno ?
Pa tako je u celom svetu da se prica engleski i sa drugima , i ne znam sto konstantno napadate G Kondica ,ako vam se nesvidja ima toliko Aviokompanija u svetu da mozete da birate.
Ali ja mislim da se vama ne svidja sto nemate vise toliko kafe pauza.
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He is writing in English because it's the official language of the forum. You would know if you spoke English.
DeleteMind you, in all government owned companies the official language is Serbian, not English, so...
Anon at 2.17pm .... but isn't Dane Australian ? So if he's insisting on English, wouldn't that be his native language ?
DeleteI had an experience in Sweden with large multinational corporation. During the meetings and in a casual conversations, local people would speak their native language. As soon as a foreigner showed up (and there was many of us from all over the world) they would immediately switch to English. Written communication (emails, memos) was almost entirely in English which kind of made sense.
DeleteI somehow have a tough time believing that ASL would force people to speak English in EVERY meeting. Is this applicable to quick business related conversation besides someone’s desk as well? If it’s truth than it’s plain stupid if you are asking me.
So what if Serbian is banned? This is now international company with majority of Serbian capital ... of course that English is the language.
DeleteDon't get so WOW on this all multinationals are working like that and English is de facto business language ...
@SM
DeleteASL employees are now waking up... so Good morning ... this is how world functions for ages... So in meeting where there are only Serbs, of course that they will speak Serbian .. BUT minutes from that meeting have to be in English... Any problem with that?
"it's being imposed by Dane because he doesn't speak his native language"
DeleteI've heard him speak fluent Serbian. Not scripted and very interactive. His fluency has increased over the last two years. Makes me wonder if you even know the person?
Some people think Tito is still alive. Hate to break it to you, but English is the official language at many international companies even when they are based in non-English speaking countries. Learn and use English or let others take over your job. Consider it a priviledge to work in environment where you have to use English, put it on your CV as your advantage. There are more people learning English in China right now than the population of England!
@Pera Kojot
DeleteNo problem at all but some of the commenters were stating how EVERY meeting, including those were only local staff is present have to be held in English which to me is ludicrous.
Evo ja radim u internacionalnoj kompaniji, cela komunikacija je na srpskom sem kada naravno dođe gost ili nam treba tehnička podrška.
DeleteRadio sam u EY-u i tu su čak i neki kompanijski časopisi ne samo na srpskom nego i na ćirilici. Vizit - karte mnogima od njih su takođe na ćirilici.
Slična stvar je i sa drugom Big Four kompanijom, Deloitte-om.
Inn-ns, čini se da braniš svaku odluku Kondića i Er Srbije šta god oni uradili.
JU je kompanija u većinskom vlasništvu Republike Srbije i interna komunikacija treba da bude na srpskom.
Verovatno je samo da je ovo u JU uspostavljeno radi neke unutrašnje kontrole.
@ anon 5:41
DeleteMein to nema nikakve veze sa vlasnistvom i ko je tu menadzer i ko nije. Sve ovo je samo common sense i nesto sto omogucava organizaciji da funkcionise u globalnom svijetu u kojem neki od radnika/menadzera ne govore jezik vecine, i da to radi na najefikasniji i najjeftiniji nacin. nista vise od toga
Razumem ja sve to, ali pogledaj:
DeleteIn Air Serbia even meetings at the lower level have to be in English, even when foreigners are not present.
Meni je to smanjivanje produktivnosti. Ljudi koji su rođeni u Srbiji nikad neće moći da govore engleski 100% isto kao i srpski.
Razumem da viši menadžment komunicira tako, ali ne vidim ni za njih zašto bi, ukoliko stranci nisu tu u blizini. Ili u slučaju operativaca koji izvršavaju svoje dnevne zadatke.
Ljudi koji su rođeni u Srbiji nikad neće moći da govore engleski 100% isto kao i srpski.
DeleteMogu, možda sa akcentom ali mogu. Pogledaj po linkedinu koliko ima ljudi rođenih u Srbiji sa vodećim pozicijama (VP, C-nivo) po svetu. Uostalom ne moraš da znaš da pišeš poeziju, dovoljno je da znaš za poslovnu komunikaciju.
Razumem da viši menadžment komunicira tako, ali ne vidim ni za njih zašto bi
Kad porasteš kašće ti se samo. Ima jakih razloga i uglavnom su navedeni.
@SM +1
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It seems that you are not actually actively using English on daily basis ... I can tell you that after some time you actually start to thin in English ... so yes people in Serbia can turn English in business language. I.e. some people have problem to deliver business presentation in Serbian,they would always turn to English or they will be missing a lot of words... so yes, even meetings with Serbian majority could be in English "if they are better aligned in understanding like that" but that happens rarely.
Ne branim ja uvek G Kondica nego covek je upravu i na tim razgovorima nizeg ranga takodje prisustvuju ljudi koji ne znaju srpski .
DeleteNaravno da nece u spedicijama ili nekim drugim firmama pricati engleski nego ce srpski A ljudi ovde pojedine Visoke Direktore nazivaju imenom to je poprilicno nekulturno , ja i neke visoke ljude ne zovem po imenom i ako mi oni to kazu.
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Ne lupaj i ne pravi se kao da si upucen.
DeleteAll of them should learn Arabic just as Fiat workers in Kragujevac must have learned Italian!
ReplyDeletePretty sure English is the 'lingua franca' also in Fiat...
DeleteNope, internal communication in FIAT is in Serbian.
DeleteSure. The italian managers have all learned serbian and so has the Torino head quarters. In fact they learned the languages of all countries where they have factories. Of course not. The lingua franca, the pan-group language is for sure english. Then when you say internal it means, when no foreigner is present or is involved or might be involved in the future on the topic and smtg that would never need to be sent to hq or say another company e.g. fiat poland. In that case the locL language is used. This is the case in ALL multinational groups. Serbia is no exception. Its the globalised world, no point fighting against it. We need to fight to be winners in this world!! Ps. A co like ASL is the step in this direction.
DeleteNo but the higher management communicates in English, lower ones communicates in Serbian or in English when foreigners are present.
DeleteIn Air Serbia even meetings at the lower level have to be in English, even when foreigners are not present.
You are wrong, Air Serbia is a government owned company and as such Serbian language must be the official one.
DeleteYes, ASL is Government owned. Give the Serb Government control of ASL and you can count the days before the company is back to bank ruptcy. Or even better, the Ministry of Stupidity.
DeletePlease bring in as many foreigners as possible so that at least some young people in Serbia has a chance to succeed without having relatives (nepotism) in higher places, but can succeed on their own merits.
The first ones to leave is the knowledgeable....and they started to leave 25 years ago.....
FYI nepotism is World norm.
Delete@AnonymousMay 25, 2015 at 2:38 PM
DeleteSpot on +100
@AnonymousMay 25, 2015 at 2:46 PM
It is goverment "owned" it is not government run and it's not operating locally, it is operating globally ... Clear?
so as long as it is operated how it is operated, ownership makes no difference ... it can be owned by investment fund from Honolulu... Ownership is right to get "kajmak" and to put people in charge ... but focus is on "kajmak".
Dane learned this method of communication in Australia or EY where there is a wide range of nationalities with different languages so of course English will be the official language. If Arabic was EY would lose 70-80% of its work force. In Serbia situation is different since there is like 95% of work force Serbian speaking and only few heads who are foreign.
DeleteExample from Canada: I worked part time in a company where 70% of work force was from Pakistan and India, 20% Chinese and only 10% native English speaker or Europeans. Guess what was official language? Urdu and Punjabi, majority rules. Of course when they talk to me or in a meeting English will be used but otherwise you will hear only Indian subcontinent dialects. Even in Toronto English is technically not official language since on streets you will hear only Mandarin, Urdu, and so on. SHOULD CANADA NOW MAKE ALL FOREIGNER SPEAK ON ENGLISH? :D
Sorry, but who is Dane ?
DeleteCEO Air Srbije ali neki ljudi ga zovu imenom i ako ga ne znaju uzivo , a to je nekulturno.
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yes I was not specific, but who are you to tell me that I am "nekulturan"? This is a anonymous blog where we write all type of stuff and please do not expect me to be formal and write Mr. Kondic! A few days ago you were the one who said " moje veze su najbolje" that is nekulturno cak i ako je to istina sto se pokazalo da nije.
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DeleteHahaha, we are seeing more and more of those from INN-NS:
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Dobro je da ce sve biti regulisano zakonom i vidi se da vlada dobro radi .
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Trolololol
DeleteOt: first A320 with Wifi YU-APH is coming back to service soon .
ReplyDeleteI just saw some stealth (invisible on FR24) Antonov 124 landing at BEG, approaching Rwy 30. Any more info on it?
ReplyDeleteUkraine Air Force IL-76TD from Odessa.
DeleteThanks for response and correction. Didnt know Ukraine fights pro-Russian forces with Serbian weapons.
DeleteDidn't knew either. 'Our' country is everything but ours.
DeleteYou're welcome.
DeleteActually, the thing seem to be leaving to Nigeria so who knows what is it transporting and to who. There were 3 747F flights in the last few days.
DeleteHow about for once that Serbia starts to love Serbia? I would say bring it on ... weapon doesn't kill people does...
Delete...so if we can sell go for it ... I can have sympathies for Russia, and I really do have ... but at the end of the day it is our ass ... just look at Crimea, look at '99 when they allowed bombing and it was enough to send us S300 nothing more then that ... so bring it on ... let's have iron exported ...
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DeleteCrazy cargo days at BEG, after 3 747F for the last two days and one IL-76 today, tomorrow there is an EgyptAir Cargo A300-600F to Cairo.
DeleteIt's not a cargo, but it is a beautiful 747-400 Jumbo Jet Dejan Milinkovic captured recently at BEG:
Deletehttp://www.airliners.net/photo/United-Arab-Emirates/Boeing-747-422/2646200/L
The UAE emblem is in a bad need of an update.
DeleteSo since Vinci, the famous French bidder for BEG (according to Vucic) just bought the Katai Int Airport in Japan, I guess that they are not longer interested in BEG....???
ReplyDeleteI am not aware there was a bidding for Belgrade airport? Airport is getting more attractive as time goes by. After increasing by a million more passengers in 2014 and going through a slow growth this year, long haul flights are going to inject more boost into BEG. Depending on how many initial destinations and planes they get, long haul will directly add at least another 200-500k passengers a year. There is a lot more sustainable growth in sight, both for cargo and passengers, and then there is EU entry down the road. There's money to be made, what investor doesn't like that!
DeleteAno 5:55pm: Did you just wake up and thought that the world has been standing still for the last year?
DeleteWhen it comes to BEG concession, "world has been standing still" for more than just last year. Air Serbia deal has been in the works over two years ago and it was clear from the start that massive airline expansion also required significant airport expansion. Back in 2013 plan called for Etihad to take over concession for 20 years, but that did not happen, most likely for reasons outside of EY/JU:
Deletehttp://www.b92.net/biz/vesti/srbija.php?yyyy=2013&mm=12&dd=07&nav_id=786330
It has been more than a year and a half since then and no official sale/concession decision has been made. Yeah, I'd call that "standing still". Wake me up tomorrow if there is going to be a concession announcement. Surprise me!
People have plenty of other options in Serbia if they want to work for a company which exclusively uses the Serbian language. If they are not comfortable with English, then the only way to improve their competancy in English, is to use it in the workplace. Why do our schools make learning English mandatory ? People, Serbia is part of the world, not some backwater like North korea. Getting more people engaged in English is a good thing for everybody. For those that have a problem with this, they should look for employment elsewhere
ReplyDeletePeople in Serbia should learna Russian and German they will work, there not in England.
DeleteAnd Italians in FAS can learn a decent Serbian
in one year.
I know a consultant agency which is owned by a foreigner and this is how they do:
DeleteBeforehand they make a deal about on which day they will use English. They chose for exAmple Wednesday.on that day everyone talks everything in English, even simple stuff like give me a pencil.
This serves like a valuable representative sample if an ordinary day in the office. Cause u 'll never know what can happen on Wednesdays. And that's how you increase your proficiency of English!!!
There is no need AT ALL to have all the communication all the time in English. There are other ways of increasing productivity ans enhancing your English.
Consulting agency sorry*
DeleteAnon 5:02 PM
DeleteIts the WORLD that speaks english. Like it or not, this is a fact of life. A bit like the weather..
You are talking garbage. Serbian "elite". In Netherland you have one year to learn Dutch. Serbians are going to live and work in Germany, Austria, Swiss and Russia. In Germany you can comunicate basic things with English but not much sophisticated. They have dubbed TV and Cinema. You need to have someon from commerce or enginering with proper knowladge of English.
DeleteDoes anybody know why did the pilot's union president in serbia get rid of his executive board and appoint himself "president for life" ?
ReplyDeleteMust be Tito's cousin or relative ....
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ReplyDeleteEvo vam jedna slika iz VIE od YU-ANI 733 ali ovaj put se nevide bas najbolje putnici :)
Deletehttp://imgur.com/KFmjmvE
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INN - хвала ти на слици, а јел ти икад спаваш?
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