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| Croatia Airlines plans to resume Dubrovnik - Frankfurt winter service |
Croatia Airlines plans to resume flights between Dubrovnik and Frankfurt next winter season following a three year hiatus. According to the "Avioradar" portal, the Dubrovnik Tourist Board and Croatia Airlines have reached an agreement in principle for the service to resume next winter season, with the city to subsidise the flights for an undisclosed amount. The Croatian carrier suspended several of its services from Dubrovnik during the 2013/14 winter season including Frankfurt and Paris, much to the dismay of the airport and local authorities. The suspensions were made in a bid to cut costs as part of the airline's restructuring initiative. Since then, Croatia Airlines has only maintained flights from Dubrovnik to Zagreb and Rome during the winter season.
Dubrovnik argues that year-round flights operated by Croatia Airlines are vital for easing the highly seasonal passenger flow at the airport. Currently, over 85% of all travellers are handled during the peak summer months. Following the suspensions, Roko Tolić, the airport's Managing Director, said, "We have a great challenge ahead of us as we can no longer rely on our partner. We understand that Croatia Airlines must undergo restructuring but we will not sit with our hands crossed. We will look for partners elsewhere”. Frankfurt was Dubrovnik's eighth busiest route this year, accounting for 2.8% of all passengers using the airport. It is served by both Croatia Airlines and Lufthansa, but only during the summer season.
Croatia Airlines' spokesperson, Davor Janušić says, "Talks are currently being held between all interested parties regarding the resumption of flights between Dubrovnik and Frankfurt. We have reached an agreement in principle for the introduction of nonstop services between the two cities during the 2016/17 winter season. Negotiations regarding other conditions, such as frequencies, are ongoing". The head of the Dubrovnik Tourist Board, Romana Vlašić, says the city hopes to conclude a three-year contract with Croatia Airlines regarding the service. The 2016/17 winter season begins on October 30, 2016. Croatia Airlines' restructuring program, which has limited its opportunities for network growth over the past four years, comes to an end in just over a week. The airline has said it is looking to expand both its network and fleet in 2016.
It's a real shame that Croatia Airlines hasn't used its secondary bases to its advantage. I think year round flights to London would also work well but it's too late now since BA already flies the route.
ReplyDeleteOU has completely ignored the coast, Dubrovnik in particular.
DeleteThey should also think of DBV-FCO.
DeleteWouldn't it be more logical to operate:
ZAG-DBV-FCO-SPU-FCO-DBV-ZAG
I am sure they have some crew stationed in Dubrovnik. Or they could if they are planning on expanding there.
Croatia Airlines already flies DBV-FCO and SPU-FCO. Those are all year routes with 7 flights per week. Few years ago there was even 12 flights per week on that route in top season.
DeleteHow can you say that Croatia Airlines ignore ignore cost. Last year CTN flies (* are charter routes):
DeleteFrom Brač to:
- Graz*
- Zagreb
From Dubrovnik:
- Amsterdam
- Athens
- Berlin-Tegel
- Cork*
- Dublin*
- Düsseldorf
- Frankfurt
- Harstad/Narvik*
- Knock*
- Nice
- Split
- Osijek
- Paris-Charles de Gaulle,
- Rijeka (operated by Trade Air)
- Rome-Fiumicino
- Shannon*
- Skelleftea*
- Tel Aviv-Ben Gurion
- Venice-Marco Polo
- Vienna
- Zagreb
- Zürich
From Osijek:
- Dubrovnik
- Split
- Zagreb (operated by Trade air)
From Pula:
- Amsterdam
- Frankfurt
- Zadar
- Zagreb
From Rijeka:
- London Heathrow
- Munich
From Split:
- Athens
- Belgrade
- Berlin-Tegel
- Cagliari*
- Dubrovnik (operated by Trade Air)
- Düsseldorf
- Erfurt
- Frankfurt
- Harstad/Norvik*
- Kristiansund*
- London-Gatwick
- London-Heathrow
- Lulea*
- Lyon
- Munich
- Ornskoldsvik*
- Osijek
- Ostersund*
- Paris-Charles de Gaulle
- Rijeka (operated by Trade Air)
- Rome Fiumicino
- Skellerftea*
- Skopje
- Sundsvall*
- Vienna
- Zagreb
- Zurich
From Zadar:
- Pula
- Frankfurt
- Zadar
- Zagreb
Their share in traffic is
- in Dubrovnik 25,7% (next is easyJet 10,1%, third is Norwegian 6,9%...)
- in Split Croatia airlines has around 45% of all passengers
Now can you explain me how Croatia Airlines ignore cost airports?
So that is
Delete- Brač 2 routes
- Dubrovnik 22 routes
- Pula 4 routes
- Rijeka 2 routes
- Split 27 routes
- Zadar 4 routes
= all together from coast 61 routes!!!!
You did not answer: how Croatia Airlines ignore cost airports with 61 routes?
DeletePurger, you missed the topic. This is about winter season.
DeleteIs it? Then all the companies in the world ignore cost airports. As the matter of fact Croatia is much better than others:
DeleteFrom Split Croatia:
- Frankfurt
- Munich
- Rome
- Zagreb
From Split others:
- Cologne (Germanwings)
- Stuttgart (Germanwings)
- Munich (Lufthansa)
From Dubrovnik Croatia:
- Rome
- Zagreb
From Dubrovnik others:
- London Gatwick (British)
Other airports Croatia
- Pula-Zadar
- Pula-Zagreb
- Zadar-Zagreb
- Zadar-Pula
- Osijek-Zagreb (by Trade air)
Others from other airports
- NON
Out of 14 winter routes from cost airports Croatia has 10, all others 4.
So one more time, how Croatia ignore cost airports?
*coast
DeleteI wonder how large the subsidy is
ReplyDeleteLarge enough.
Deleteisn't this state aid and therefore illegal ?
DeleteNo, it can't come from the government but cities and airports are allowed to give it out in the form of subventions which are vital for the economy of a region.
DeleteBut both the city of Dubrovnik and the airport of Dubrovnik, are "owned" by the govt, as is the airline - so it come directly from the govt to another entity fully owned by the govt. In other situations elsewhere, airports are privatised and therefore not owned by the govt. In this case, it isn't so and they are also not providing subsidies for PSO routes, which they already do anyway.
DeleteSo how can it be ok, when it goes against the rules of state aid, given the ownership structure of who is providing the aid and to whom ??
podsetite me kad je bio medjunarodni javni poziv za letove iz Dubrovnika uz pomoc lokalne samouprave.
DeleteSta se promenilo u strategiji OU pa toliko hvaljene Q400 zele po svaku cenu zameniti za RJ letelice ?
DeleteValjda su shvatili da su im vecinu godine Erbasevi preveliki , a Q400 trose previse.
Delete1. Nitko ne mijenja Q400 sa RJ. RJ koji se najavljuju trebali bi biti dodatak floti, znači povečanje kapaciteta uz postojeće Q400, A319 i A320.
Delete2. Za PSO je napravljen natječaj, na koji se mogao javiti bilo tko. To i jest poanta PSO. Neke linije je dobila Croatia Airlines, neke Trade Air. I novi natječaj koji je raspisan za 2016. otvoren je za sve kompanije jednako. Na iste će se vjerovatno javiti Croatia, Sea Air, Limitless, Trade Air, a možda i još netko. Dakle PSO je praksa velike većine zamalja EU, a i drugdje na PSO kandidiraju kompanije koje su u državnom vlasništvu. Dok je PSO definiran, transparentan i otvoren prema svima on nije ilegalan.
3. Letovi iz Dubrovnika koje pomaže lokalna samouprava nisu financiranje CTN-a. Lokalna samouprava vrača svakom putniku 150 kn i to se vrača putniku, a ne daje kompaniji. Znači kad bi netko letio na toj liniji osim CTN-a i za njih bi se vračao novac. U ovom slučaju pomaže se putnicima, a ne kompaniji. Dakle putnik plati kartu 500 kn, a Dubrovnik mu vrati 150 kn od toga. Njemu putniku, a ne Croatiji Airlines. I samo napomena, radi se o maksimalno 30.000 karata i to ne mogu koristiti putnici koji nisu građani Dubrovnika, dakle ja to ne mogu dobiti nazad jer sam građanin Zagreba. Ovima lokalna samouprava pomaže svoje građane koji plačaju lokalne poreze.
Za pocetak hvala na komentarima.
Delete1. Odakle OU novac za RJ u najvecoj krizi od osnivanja.
2. PSO je jasan i nema se sta dodati.
3. Ovo je slozicete se indirektno finansiranje OU, ili subvencije vaze i za druge operatere koji lete iz Dubrovnika.
1. Croatia nije u krizi. Nema dugova, poslovanje je oko nule (OK, pozitivno je radi prodaje aviona i motora, ali nije ni daleko od pozitive), promet ozbiljno raste i CTN stagnacijom zaostaje. Dakle tijekom restrukturacije nisu smjeli širiti flotu i poslovanje, sad je vrijeme. Avioni se uzimaju na leasing, dakle samo treba napraviti da troškovi poslovanja uključujući i leasing budu iznad nule. Za leasing ne trebate velik novac u startu, jer ne kupujete avion nego mjesečno otplačujete korištenje istog.
Delete3. Ne, nije. PSO je indirektno financiranje OU, lokalna zajednica omogućuje svojim građanima bolju povezanost sa udaljem Zagrebom. Oni ne financiraju OU nego putnike. Dakle putnik plati kartu, OU mu vrati novac i time mu je lokalna zajednica pojeftinila putovanje, smanjila putne troškove. CTN ovdje ne dobiva ni više ni manje. Ovdje je subvencionirana OU nauštrp autobusnih prijevoznika, ali mislim da dubrovački građani dobivaju subvencije i za autobuse i za brod. Ako Limitless krene letjeti na ovoj liniji isto tako će putnici dobivati novac nazad. Ovakvih pomoći građanima imate jako mnogo u Hrvatskoj (invalidi ne plačaju parkiranje i autoput, građani koji žive na otocima dobivaju novac za brodske linije, učenici od lokalne zajednice dobivaju novac za autobusne i vlak karte, umirovljenici i socijala u Zagrebu dobivaju gratis pokaznu kartu...)
* OU mu vrati novac = Dubrovnik mu vrati novac
Deletesve u svemu novac poreskih obveznika iz Dubrovnika zavrsava na racunu OU. Ne znam da li je to po EU pravilima, ali to je manje vise isto u odnosu na JU subvencije samo mozda malo upakovano u populisticku pricu na lokalnom nivou. OU po meni jeste u krizi i to dubokoj. U sendvicu izmedju JU i JP, sa realnim minusom u poslovanju i losom uslugom i LF (licni utisak sa linije SPU-BEG). siguran sam da od RJ u narednoj godini nema nista.
Deletejos jednom hvala
Znači kada umirovljenik dobije besplatnu kartu za autobus ili vlak to je nelegalna subvencija autobusnog prijevoznika ili hrvatskih željeznica?
DeleteAko se otočanu subvencionira brodska karta da ode do lječnika u Split to je nelegalna subvencija Jadrolinije.
Ako učenici imaju besplatan prijevoz u srednju školu u susjedni grad to je nelegalna subvencija autobusnom prijevozniku.
PSO na liniji za DBV i SPU je jako upitan. Osobno mislim da je nelogičan, netransparentan i da nije istinski PSO. No, lokalna samouprava koja financira liniju svojim građanima da bi smanjila izoliranost tih istih građana to nikako nije. I još jednom naglašavam da se novac vrača građanima, a ne CTN-u.
Dakle građanin mora na pretrage u Zagreb. Može to učiniti autobusom (12 sati putovanje) i paltiti cca 4000 kn. Ili može to učiniti avionom, plati CTN-u njihovu cijenu od 800 kn, i dobije 150 kn nazad od grada Dubrovnika, dakle u konačnici plati 650 kn.
JP više nije ozbiljna konkurencija CTN-u. Več dugo ne lete iz hrvatskih zračnih luka, nemaju linija koje ne pokriva Croatia, pa putnici ne odlaze za Ljubljanu umjesto da lete iz Zagreba (eventualna jeftinija karta ne pokriva razliku za putne troškove do Ljubljane), a treća feeding tržišta su skromna (SJJ gdje ima bitno manje frekvencija nego OU, te SKP gdje su gotovo isti i jedino je na PRN JP bolja).
Za LF se slažem.
sve bi to bilo u redu da je bio raspisan otvoreni natjecaj, a ovako je to cista politicka prica koja je zavrsena u nekom kabinetu i nema nikakve veze sa tranparentnoscu koju EU (navodno) promovise.
DeleteKoji bozji natjecaj za sredstva lokalne zajednice. Ne placa to drzava nego grad Dubrovnik, pobogu. Pa ne radi medjunarodni natjecaj Zagteb kada odobri besplatne knjige za srednjoskolce ili karte za tramvaj.
DeleteI ne ubirete be. Ovdje se pomaze putnicima koju god kompaniju odabrali. Croatiju, Trade air, Limitless... Da Easyjet pocinje letjeti na toj liniji i za njih bi se putnicima vracao novac.
Ocito ne shvacate koncept. Dubrovnik ne daje novac Vroatiji nego putnicima. Moze se desit da na jednom letu bude 70 putnika kojima se ud Dubrovnika vrati po 150 kn, a moze se desit da na tri leta ne bude nikoga. Croatija niti zna jel neki putnik dobio novac nazad, niti hoce li ih biti, niti koliko. Za njih su to putnici ko i svaki drugi, putbici koji pod istim uvjetima kupuju kartu. Kao sto Croatija ne zna jel moja firma placa mom radniku kartu do Dubrovnika. I time ja ne subvencuoniram Croatiju.
DeleteJednako tako Croatija ne moze znati koliko ce putnika koristiti njihove letove a koliko Trade airive letove preko Rijeke za Uagreb.
Ok, hvala na pojasnjenju.
DeleteKao profesionalac sam ipak razocaran performansom OU u 2015. godini. Nazalost neke slabosti koje prepoznajem u JU su i te kako prisutne i u Zagrebu. Kao putnik mogu da kazem da se usluga u OU pogorsala i sada znatno zaostaje za YM, JP i posebno JU sto moze biti veliki problem u narednom periodu gde ce veliki pojesti male. Nekako mi se cini da je YM najlaksi plen, ali odmah iza njih je OU, sto je novi momenat. JP se na volseban nacin izvlaci, dok je OU totalno pasivna.
Apsolutno se slazem. 100%. Potpisujem i tome nem sto dodati osim gomile podataka, brojki i cinjenica koje to potvrdjuju!
DeleteSo I guess we will see some expansion in Zagreb too! Is it realistic to expect the return of the A320?
ReplyDeleteI think we will see those Embraers like they promised. They need more aircraft to fill the gap between Dash and Airbus.
DeleteIt would be great, they could finally put the Embraer on flights to AMS, BRU and CPH which often get the Q400.
DeleteFun times ahead.
In Amsterdam they fly A319 not Q400. It is very rare that CTN use Q400 on AMS route (just in case of disruption).
DeleteI also hope they will change Q400 on CPH and BRU route as that is not normal at all.
cenjeni kolega moze li odgovor na 2:43 i 2:50 ?
DeleteEveryone is forgetting the core question and that is .
ReplyDeleteAre there any buyiers for Croatia Airlines otherwise all above means nothing
Shows how little you understand about the aviation industry.
DeleteNew owners will have a different business plan.
DeleteWhy - who is buying (or has bought) ?
DeleteNo one. They just daydream.
DeleteOvo ce konkurencija da iskoristi na dobar nacin .
ReplyDeleteGde je ta ekspanzija flote sad se vise nista ne prica izgleda od toga nema nista .
I ne znam kako misle tako naci kupca sa praznim pricama samo.
INN-NS
Please delete this pointless comment please.
DeleteSto da se obrise gde sam sta lose rekao ne sme ni komentar da se ostavi .
DeleteA u ostalom vi ste to juce radili ;).
INN-NS
Sometimes itvis good to be quiet in regards to expansion plans . why let the competition know what you will be doing , while under restructuring. I feel, tho not popular, that it was smart for CTN to be quiet as much as possible during restructuring , in regards to their plans. This way the wreas in the rehion could not jump on ot first where CTN couldn't. I feel that in the next few months we will see a more aggressive CTN.
DeleteSometimes itnis
Deletegood to be quiet in regards to expansion plans . why let the competition know what you will be doing , while under restructuring. I feel, tho not popular, that it was smart for CTN to be quiet as much as possible during restructuring , in regards to their plans. This way the airlines in the region could not jump on it first where CTN couldn't. I feel that in the next few months we will see a more aggressive CTN.
Inn nije nista sporno komentirao. Mislim da je normalno to sto kritizira kada po njemu nesto nije ok. To isto vrijedi i za ASL.
DeleteProblem je u tome što to nije nikakvo kritiziranje več njegove opsesije i želje da CTN propadne. Ništa ga na ovom svijetu ne bi više usrečilo nego da CTN ode u likvidaciju. Isto vrijedi i za one koji navodno kritiziraju ASL a iz svakog slova koje napišu vidi se da pucaju od mržnje i želje da se ovima nešto loše dogodi.
DeleteAnonymous 6:39 PM, i ja sam Hrvat (iz Dubrovnika), neke stvari i meni smetaju, ali INN-ovi komentari su takvi kakvi jesu i možemo ih preskakati ako ih smatramo uvredljivima. Budimo realni, pravo je umijeće propasti (govorimo o CTN) u državi s tolikim brojem turista, mislim da ih već dovoljno dugo plaćamo iz proračuna, ali neke stvari se očito ne mijenjaju i, ukoliko dalje ne ide, neka CTN propadne. Može nam jedino biti žao toliko radnih mjesta, ali linije će ionako preuzeti neko drugi, a u Hrvatskoj ima bitnijih stvari koje treba "popraviti". Eto, to je samo moje mišljenje s kojim se ne moraš slagati. Pozdrav!
DeleteDa li je taj predsjednik nadzornog odbora gospodin koji je gradonačelnik Beograda?
ReplyDelete