The Macedonian Civil Aviation Agency and the operator of the country's two international airports, TAV Macedonia, have said that the establishment of a planned new national carrier would be unsustainable and that conditions have not been met for its set-up. The comments come over a year after the Macedonian government tasked the Dutch-based InterVistas Consulting Group to compile a detailed traffic forecast, as well as a financial feasibility study, and give recommendations on whether a new national airline is required. "The initial analysis made by the consultant shows that it is unviable to establish a national airline under current market conditions. The consultant was asked to asses whether it would be sustainable for Macedonia to create a new airline, keeping in mind the cost of hiring staff, fleet investment and licensing", the head of the aviation regulator, Goran Jandreoski, said. He added that a new study would be conducted next year and that a flag carrier could be set up only if there was a significant surge in the number of people travelling by plane to and from the country.
The General Manager of TAV Macedonia, Zoran Krstevski, noted, "The formation of a state-funded flag carrier, as a global trend, has been rejected. Privatisation is the leading factor in creating new airlines. However, it is a different question whether the state would allow a foreign airline to carry its flag". Previously, the head of TAV Airports Holding, Sani Sener, said Macedonia is in need of a national carrier, as well as hotels and investment in tourism, which would complement the country’s geographical importance. “What is lacking is a national airline. 'Macedonian Airlines' must be established. We have invested in airports and Macedonia should invest in its own airline", Mr Sener said at the time. He added, "Every country should have an airline. I'm sure it will happen soon and, with it, the number of passengers will rise significantly”.
Macedonia remains committed to subsidising low cost carriers, a policy which has attracted the likes of Wizz Air, which has carried over two million passengers to and from the country over the past few years. Since the 1990s, Macedonia had two national carriers, both of which subsequently declared bankruptcy. Palair Macedonian Airlines was founded in 1991 to became the country’s national airline but was hit by local competition with the creation of MAT Macedonian Airlines in 1994. As a result, it ceased flying in 1996. MAT was formed in cooperation between JAT Yugoslav Airlines and local businessmen. In 2000, the Macedonian government declared MAT the country’s national carrier owned by two private stakeholders. However, mounting debts, as well as political wrangling, saw MAT cease operation in September 2009. MAT’s demise was followed by an attempt to relaunch the airline as Mat Airways several years later, however, it too failed.
Thank goodness.
ReplyDeleteWhat a shocker... not
ReplyDeleteI actually think there is enough space for a national airline. LCC attract a completely different market. If they took out two regional jets I think a new national airline could work.
ReplyDeleteI agree. They could have operated flights not offered by W6 or that can't be operated by W6 because they are subject to bilateral agreements where an airline must be registered in Macedonia. They could have flown to Moscow for example.
DeleteIstanbul too
DeleteOr maybe a supported daily KLM to AMS or BA to LHR is the viable alternative.
DeleteIn any case, there is evidently some appetite for a one-stop connection to the world. Whether there is a market for it is another question.
Look at Sofia, they have national carrier but also and dozens of destinations offered by LCC's, both Wizz and Ryanair
DeleteSOF is a much better comparison to BEG than SKP. SKP is more along the lines of SJJ, PRN, TIA and to a certain degree TGD. Outside of ex-Yu it reminds me of TGM, CLJ and KIV. You know, regional airports with a limited catchment and connectivity options.
DeleteBulgarian citizens can work in EU which instantly grows the demand for flights year-round. For that matter, SOF does not compare even to BEG, let alone SKP.
DeleteMacedonia is a small and highly seasonal market where the price is the sole decision-making factor for at least 80% of passengers. A national airline could only survive in such environment with a hell of a state support.
"It is a different question whether the state would allow a foreign airline to carry its flag"
ReplyDeleteWatch Turkish Airlines become the national airline. It's been rumoured for years anyway.
Why would Turkish do that?
DeleteGood. Some voice of reason. They stopped what would have been a financial disaster.
ReplyDeleteSo instead of investing in our own airline which would hire locals, we are investing into a Hungarian registered airline with its head office in London that pays no tax in Macedonia.
Delete.. which also hires locals. Both directly and indirectly.
DeleteFYI, they don't pay taxes in Hungary either, and head office is in Geneva. :)
Zagreb - Dubrovnik - Zagreb
ReplyDeletepetak 18.11. 14:45 / ponedjeljak 21.11. 16:20
karta kupljena 9 dana prije
130,17 EUR (976,25 kn)
* OK cijena, svakako daleko jeftinije nego autom. Ide nas dvoje i za benzin, cestarinu, klopu i cugu po putu (nekih 5-6 sati drndanja) potrošio bi više od toga.
Najskuplja opcija za te dane (dakle vikend opcija) tamo u 21:10, nazad u 6:40 u ponedjeljak ili u 21:50 u nedjelju bi bila 168, 67 EUR (1.265 kn)
Koliko bi recimo bio spreman platiti više da letiš nego da ideš autom, recimo u DBV ako se ide poslom, a uzevši u obzir trajanje puta itd?
DeleteMa do Beča, Venecije ili Beograda (3 sata vožnje) 100-njak EUR, više ne bih dao (do VIE i BEG otprilike 50% puta idem avionom, 50% autom).
DeleteAli do Dubrovnika (6 sati vožnje) bogami bi platio i 300 EUR više. Nema šanse da do tamo vozim.
Idem tamo poslovno, kao i svaki puta, i to se dešava 3-4 puta godišnje. Već 20 godina nisam do Dubrovnika išao autom (nije jedan jedini puta, izuzev "roada" kada moj tim promovira proizvođače automobila pa dolje idemo sa 6-7 Toyota, Daewooa, Suzukija... a što se desilo 5 puta u zadnjih 20 godina), već isključivo avionom.
The only weird thing about the announcement is TAV being a part of it. They have absolutely no say in the matter.
ReplyDeleteWell they run both airports in the country so I guess they do play an important part in the country's aviation industry.
DeleteDe facto, yes. De jure, which includes public statements, none at all.
DeleteCould you imagine Mark Zuckerberg or Bill Gates being a part of a US State announcement? Or Alex Cruz (BA CEO) being a part of the announcement of a third LHR runway? No way. They are certainly the interested party poised *to benefit* from the announcement, and having them involved in this manner just highlights conflict of interest and mixed up governance. Which is nothing new, but needs to be noted, if only for mental hygiene.
We are stuck with Wizz. No national airline. Looks like Ryan air is no longer coming.
ReplyDeleteImagine you were stuck with a national airline with 5 destinations, paying EUR 300+ tickets every single time, having no Wizz and having spent more from the budget.
DeleteThere are worse things than being stuck with Wizz. Just take a look at *comparable* airports in the region.
Who says the two can't coexist together? Or is it that Wizz can only fly from Skopje if it gets paid.
DeleteThere is a certain financial risk - as with anything else in the region, to be honest - with basing an aircraft in SKP while there is another airline dominating European O&D.
DeleteI guess your second sentence meant 'Wizz can only open new destinations if it gets paid', since everything they've launched has stuck past the subsidies expiry (currently 80% of the capacity is with no additional support) unlike elsewhere.
A new airline can work out if Macedonia were to have serious business traffic or join the EU. It can then fill in a half empty (LF 50-75%) regional jet with higher rates. It can then fly daily to BRU, LHR, CDG, AMS, OTP etc. The sad truth is that the current traffic relies on the Macedonian diaspora and gasterbeiters using Wizzair.
DeleteHere we go again, with the flag carrier obsession. Slovakia, Hungary, Estonia don't have national carriers and so? W6 have, very well, covered the most important destinations to DE, CH and Scandinavia. 3x daily to IST - and basically that´s it. SKP just needs Moskva but JU and OS already offer brilliant connections via their hubs. MK does not need a national carrier. Period.
ReplyDeleteEstonia has Nordica. In fact the Estonian government saw it important to set up a new flag carrier straight away after Estonian Airlines went bankrupt.
DeleteActually the only way I see a national airline in Macedonia working is through the Nordica model. Partner up with a foreign airline and use their reservation system, AOC, planes etc.
Delete@9:35
DeleteTrue. I'd add a 'successful' before 'national airline'.
Adria would help ��
DeleteOh please. A national airline would have ended up like Montenegro Airlines or BH Airlines. If it were so profitable a private company would have set up an airline. But what needs to be done is attract full fare legacy airlines and stimulate them in some way. Not everyone in Macedonia wants to fly with Wizz Air and not everyone in Macedonia want to fly to villages 100km away from the cities being advertised by Wizz.
ReplyDelete+1'000
DeleteNow, is the demand coming from 'not everyone' sufficient to finance an alternative?
I have yet to see a case to prove it.
With two planes, MAT was much more effective than BH airlines which is illustrated by their passenger numbers. Like someone said they could have been a good airline and had a lot of room for expansion, not to mention the fact that they could have become Kosovo's main airline, something Adria has done since.
DeleteI am not a fan of this national airline idea and am glad they have decided against these plans. But I also think that building growth for only one LCC is not a healthy strategy.
ReplyDeleteI don't think that's the strategy at all. It's just that there are not enough healthy - or interested - airlines to take a leap of faith on a bite-sized market.
DeleteAccording to Wiki:
ReplyDeleteMAT Macedonian Airlines also operated flights to Czech Republic, Denmark, Germany, Hungary Italy, Luxembourg, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, and Turkey until December 2008:
Czech Republic -Prague (covered by OK)
Denmark -Copenhagen (covered by W6)
Germany - Berlin-Tegel, Düsseldorf, Frankfurt Hamburg, Stuttgart, Karlsruhe (almost all covered by W6)
Hungary -Budapest (most likely to be flown by W6)
Italy - Rome-Fiumicino, Milan (covered by W6)
Luxembourg - Luxembourg (???)
Spain - Madrid, Palma de Mallorca (can be flown from SOF)
Sweden - Gothenburg. Stockholm (covered by W6)
Switzerland -Geneva, Zurich (covered by Germania & W6)
Turkey -Istanbul (covered by PC and TK)
Austria
Vienna - Vienna International Airport (covered by OS)
Netherlands
Amsterdam - Amsterdam Airport Schiphol
Maastricht - Maastricht Airport (covered by W6 - to EIN)
Serbia
Belgrade - Belgrade Nikola Tesla Airport (covered by JU)
Switzerland
Zürich - Zürich Airport (covered by Edelweiss)
So? It turns out that eventually SKP needs connections to MAD, PMI and LUX. Is it really worth it?
Because of stupid routes MAT did get bankrupt. Skopje miss several important routes:
Delete- FRA
- MUC
- CDG
- SVO
- AMS
+ tourist charters and ad hoc charters for local market
Maybe letter there is demand for
- BRU
- FCO
- CPH
Number of frequencies depends on code-share deal they would sign, and for sure at least one of those airports they should have 2 flights per day with huge number of connections.
Two 100-seaters and no megalomania on fleet or routes.
Macedonia invested nothing in MAT as it was practically a private airline given a contract to act as a national carrier for 10 years (until 2010). Had they invested 50% of the money they gave to Wizz Air it could have developed into a respectable company. It had a decent route network and service. Unfortunately most will remember them by their last few months of operations which were hectic to say the least. Makes me wonder why the Macedonia CAA was MAT's biggest enemy and why they were so eager to shut them down over night.
ReplyDelete"Had they invested 50% of the money they gave to Wizz Air it could have developed into a respectable company."
Delete:)))))))
You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.
Good decision. Just hope they will attract one more LCC to base at least one plane in SKP and the state job is done!!!
ReplyDelete+1
DeleteAbsolute wise decision!
They should give private capital to open airline without any risk to Macedonia, no need to invest from Macedonia, and they can support that airline same way they support Wizz Air. If someone open company (that Macedonia can declare "national airline" or flag carrier) it is better then nothing. To start with 2 100-seater (Embraer 195, CRJ-900, SSJ) and to open missing routes to main hubs in Europe with collaboration of one or several big company to make connection via their hub, + some charters for local market, should make this company profitable.
ReplyDeleteIf I was decisionmaker in Macedonia I would negotiate with Turkish, flyBe, CityJet, Eastern, Stobart, HOP!, Air Serbia, Adria and Trade Air.
The best chance are on flyBe which has spare E175 and E195, 11 bases and hubs (in 2017 they will open base even in Dusseldorf), 4 focus cities, collaboration and code-share with 10 companies (including Air France, British, Finnair, Aer Lingus, Etihad, Emirates...) and is very flexible (in same time they have P2P routes, hub system, they fly PSO to North Scottish Islands, regional routes for other companies)... To open base in SKP and to paint two planes in "Macedonia" colors is not a big deal for them.
Adria opened bases in Priština and Tirana, now has spare planes (finish contract with Nordica), has code-share with LH grupe and for sure can fly to LH hubs + some Star Alliance destinations (FRA, MUC, BRU, CPH) + CDG, AMS and SVO as Adria has code-share with them + already has flights to Ljubljana. For start they can put just one CRJ in Macedonia colors and base it in Macedonia to taste the market (in same time they can make some W flights with planes based in LJU like LJU-SVO-SKP-SVO-LJU). If everything goes well they can based 2nd one.
Please not pushing such ways by the state-authorities. If an airline decides by it-self to invest this way, welcome.
DeleteWell not so easy. And, yes, that should be support by State. Even more than they support LCC, as flying to main hubs because of connectivity should be top priority to every responsible government.
DeleteBut in same time I agree Government should not spent several million EUR per year for flag carrier that will have 100.000 passengers.
If there is possibility to spent 3-4 million EUR per year for 300-400.000 passengers to main airports that is a good deal, and not much more expensive to support LCC for same amount of passengers. That kind of connectivity for sure pays back for all national business and benefits.
`If there is possibility to spent 3-4 million EUR per year for 300-400.000 passengers to main airports that is a good deal, and not much more expensive to support LCC for same amount of passengers.`
DeleteOnly if the investment comes self-sustainable after three years, as is the case with Wizz Air in SKP for 2.5 out of the 3 aircraft based.
With the above calculation, which is quite optimistic, the cost per pax would be three times compared to the Wizz case. Anything beyond three years skews the financials further south.
'Flying to main hubs because of connectivity should be top priority to every responsible government.'
I disagree due to diversity of needs and present state of the market by different country. What is a priority in Croatia does not necessarily translate to Macedonia.
Sure one cannot generalise situation in each and every country. But connectivity is the most important condition for prosperity of nation, for business, education, politics, science, sport, Diaspora, tourism... What was railway in 19th century, air traffic is today. Especially for Macedonia which is too far away from Central Europe unlike Croatia, Slovenia or even Serbia (1.000 more km than Croatia).
DeleteLCC are good, bringing more option, for sure easier and cheaper transport way for tourists, Diaspora and other P2P passengers. But connection with huge global hub means that you are (with one, maximum 2 stops) connected to whole World. There is thousands option for connections if you are connected to FRA, LHR, AMS, CDG... LCC has no such an option. Even if Wizzair open 100 routes from SKP (and they are so far away from that number) it is much less than just one flight to FRA and connected options that you have from there.
And Skopje is well connected just to IST. VIE and ZRH for sure are not global hubs and is not a good option. So, SKP is missing at least one good connection to West/North.
"Even if Wizzair open 100 routes from SKP (and they are so far away from that number) it is much less than just one flight to FRA and connected options that you have from there."
DeleteThis is the bit I disagree with. You're putting too much weight on global connectivity while at the same time downplaying the LCC population. There might be an equation of 1:3 or even 1:5 in terms of utility per pax served, but anything beyond that is a hyperbole in my opinion. For Macedonia at the very least. Remember, we're still only talking about shortening the trip by one hop.
'And Skopje is well connected just to IST. VIE and ZRH for sure are not global hubs and is not a good option. So, SKP is missing at least one good connection to West/North.'
Absolutely. Nobody's challenging this - the current debate is whether it's financially viable within a certain targeted business case, which I think we'll agree in this case is $10M over 3-5 years.
Noted!
DeleteConclusion: we disagree
If you already give out cash to Wizz Air and it has become you de facto national airlines, a new airline would be just a waste of money.
ReplyDeleteSkopje should be connected to major European cities by a legacy carrier. At the moment, Skopje doesn't have connections to FRA, LHR, CDG, AMS, CPH, BRU, MUC, DUS, MXP.
ReplyDeleteMacedonia needs a legacy carrier. I believe that the best thing is to create a joint venture with another small airline from the region (Croatia, Montenegro, Serbia, Slovenia or Bulgaria).
ReplyDeleteOT
ReplyDeleteSeems like situation in AZ and AB keeps on going from bad to worse.
Alitalia intends to ground 15 to 20 A320s.
Based on revised forecast AZ now expects 2016 net loss of US$434.4 million and 2017 losses expected to exceed $543.0 million. Profitability to not be reached until 2021.
Let's see who collapses first, AZ or AB.
DeleteNo wonder why they are interested in YM. Fits nicely with the rest of the failures. Lol
DeleteYey! EY Group! :)
DeleteAnd what when Serbia will not "invest" 40 million per year in Air Serbia. Another minus which is compare to size of company even bigger than AZ and AB.
DeleteAnd than same think they made in Air Berlin, Darwin and Alitalia - cuts, fleet shrink...
Would love to see a Macedonian carrier in the sky again
ReplyDeleteOT
ReplyDeleteZanimljivo gledanje:
http://www.jutarnji.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/croatia-airlines-je-na-putu-u-propast-restrukturiranje-nije-uspjelo-vrijedna-imovina-se-prodaje-gorivo-je-jeftino-a-kompanija-je-na-nuli/5259567/
Vec je to neko stavljao juce ovde.
DeletePurger, congrats on the article in Tangosix, with lots of data, you've done a great job! Keep up the good work!
Deletehttp://tangosix.rs/2016/15/11/kuda-bi-trebao-ici-zagrebacki-aerodrom/
Još jednom sam pročitao članak, bravo Purger, svaka čast na trudu, analizi, količini iznesenih podataka i objektivnosti! Vidi se da znaš o čemu govoriš! Sve pohvale!
DeleteThanks!
DeleteLiked MAT's livery. Was the best in ex-Yu.
ReplyDeleteThank god that they saw sense and didn't go for this ludicrous plan.
ReplyDeleteOT: Mali: idućeg leta napravićemo direktnu avio liniju Beograd-Astana
ReplyDeleteZa sada BEG dobija ove direktne letove u 2017:
- Astana
- Teheran
- Peking
- Toronto, možda
Bez novih aviona nema nicega. Ne zaboravi da sledece godine dva B733 idu u penziju i planje da se zamene sa dva B738. Ove letelice ce biti primarno namenjene carterima.
DeleteAko dodje jedan A319/320 mozda i bude nesto od toga sto pises.
Mozda ce leteti Beograd-Teheran-Astana
Deleteili Beograd-Moskva-Astana i to sve sa Avioletom LOL
Ne znam zasto je izbrisan prethodni post gde je neko pravedno rekao da se ova linije tek razmatra, isto kao sto se i Baku razmatra pa se nista od onda nije desilo.
DeleteNarod mora da shvati da nijedna od ovih linija se nece otvoriti dokle god se ne konsoliduje evropski saobracaj sto se nece desiti u naredne tri, cetiri godine.
Neka se odredjena gospoda zapita zasto je najavljeno penzionisanje B733 pre vise od dve godine i zasto ove letelice nisu zamenjene sa A319.
Astanu će leteti Air Astana, a letovi će početi sledeće godine na leto, uoči sajma u Astani.
Deletehttps://vlast.kz/novosti/20251-kazahstan-i-serbia-zapustat-pramoe-aviasoobsenie.html
It says that it could be SCAT or any other airline, so nothing is for sure.
DeleteBEG ce dobiti svakako nove Destinacije pa se nadam da ce biti sve sto su planirane.
DeleteINN-NS
Naravno da ce dobiti, zar smo zaboravili sve sta W6 uvodi.
DeleteIt most likely will be Air Serbia. The document says that SCAT has currently no permission to fly to EU airspace, while Air Astana is only has the 'permission'. Nothing else.
DeleteI wish it would be JU but they don't have the aircraft.
DeleteLet's see what happens.
Deleteodgovor zasto 737 nije penzionisan: iz istog razloga sto nisam uzeo novi auto na lizing: stari se i dalje kotrlja za dz
Deletecak i da ne leti asl, ugovori se potpisuju i letovi najavljuju. u najgorem slucaju ovako, sve uz ju kodser:
teheran - iran air
astana - air astana
peking - air china
Zasto im je trebalo sest meseci da shvate da B733 ne mora da se penzionise? Zasto nisu prefarbani I sredjeni unutra? Dakle taj argument za lizing ne pije vodu. Verovatno su shvatili da im se biznis plan ne razvija kao sto su planirali, bas kao sto je slucaj sa AZ
DeleteGood news for Macedonia that this 'project' won't see the light of day.
ReplyDeleteThis is good news. We do not need new Aleksandar Veliki do Indija projects, we need european integration and more european carriers in SKP!
ReplyDeleteOT: I just noticed online ad of AirFrance for Serbia, and it says: "Asia from 562€". So now we have both Air France and Aeroflot promoting Asia.
ReplyDeleteAd: https://i.snag.gy/LzgbRr.jpg
you are funny. There have always been online ads from all companies that fly to BEG for all destinations. Its not like all of a sudden
DeleteTK is also promoting Asia and so is Qatar.
DeleteMaybe it´s a hint that AF are returning to BEG?!?!?!?
DeleteWho on earth flies Air France to Asia? That's 5-6 hours of backtracking. Plus, the prices are hardly competitive.
DeleteWho on earth flies Air Serbia to JFK. On most connections it is 7-10 hours in Belgrade.
DeleteAnswer: those who want to pay less!
Bilo bi odlicno kad bi uspeli da dovedu KL ili HV .
ReplyDeleteIli da napre mozda neki dogovor sa LO kao sto je Nordica sto bi takodje bio veliki plus.
INN-NS
Btw, does anyone know about Aeromak? It was a project that was launched by JAT Airways. But, The CEO hired was apparently sacked in December 2009 after problems regarding the airline's funds. Also, Aeromak is a cool name.
ReplyDeleteOT: Aer Lingus starts seasonal flights to Split from Dublin, Tuesdays and Saturdays, starting end of May 2017!
ReplyDeleteDobio sam informaciju da sutra Swiss objavljuje početka letova iz Niša. Opako, opako!!!!
ReplyDeletePun pogodak! Skidam kapu do poda direktoru Aerodroma Niš. Vladica, svaka čast! A ja ti prije tri tjedna govorio kako moraš dovesti legacy carriera??? A ti šutio iako si znao... ccccc... to neće proć bez onog čaščenja u Nišu koje si obečao! :-)
Cutting SKP while opening INI, LOL...
DeleteNot gonna happen, this is just a rumor
DeleteMaybe so... I get this information didn't say one can be sure. Here we say:
Delete"Pošto kupio po to i prodao"
Izvor je dobar, važna faca, sudjelovao u pregovorima.
DeletePitam se da li ti je izvor rekao da siris takve informacije?
DeleteCudno je sta ljudi vole da pricaju i pisu, kao da ne znaju kako sistem najava funkcionise.
Polako videcemo
Naravno da nije. No, pitao sam smijem li objaviti.
DeleteKoja je razlika izmedju Purger i Alen Scuric Purger?
DeleteIsti covek, ili dvojica? :D
Alen I Purger su braca.
Delete:-)
DeleteIsti čovijek.
MAT Macedonian Airlines livery resembles British Airways present livery, doesn't it?
ReplyDeleteIt seems they'll review it again next year.
ReplyDeleteAn option as previously mentioned it to establish a subsidiary with/from another airline. An example would be Air Serbia setting up and base a couple of aircraft in SKP, flying to destinations not currently served. They will have their own Name and AOC. During the quiet seasons aircraft could be used for charters or returned to Air Serbia. With the corporate set up of Air Serbia it could be less expensive.
OT: Sarajevo Airport and Wizz announce that the talks between the two on flights from Sarajevo are i the final phase?!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.klix.ba/biznis/pregovori-o-saradnji-medjunarodnog-aerodroma-sarajevo-i-wizzaira-u-zavrsnoj-fazi/161115100
Quite the contrary what ex-yu published yesterday?
The best solution is that if Air Serbia would lounch a JV company with Macedonian goverment in order to become a member of Etihad group. Than it would be much better. To have 5-6 flts to and from BEG and also 5-6 flts to and from SKP to EU.
ReplyDeleteThe same Etihad Group that is falling apart?
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