Adria Ariways plans to make an order for twelve Sukhoi Superjet 100 aircraft which will replace the carrier's entire Bombardier fleet. Deliveries of the new jet are expected as early as June 2018. Russia’s State Transport Leasing Company (GTLK) will finance the transaction. Vladislav Masalov, President of the Sukhoi Civil Aircraft Company, said, "As part of the Paris Air Show, we will meet with Adria Airways to discuss the transaction which is being conducted by GTLK. The company is considering the purchase of twelve SSJ100 aircraft". As reported by EX-YU Aviation News, talks over the order have been ongoing. "This is not the first session of talks between the two companies. We have been engaged in this project for over six months", Mr Masalov added.
Once the talks are finalised and the transaction completed, it will mark the biggest single aircraft order ever made by Adria. Furthermore, the carrier will operate Russian-manufactured aircraft for the first time in its history. The development would also mark the loss of a notable European customer for Bombardier, as well as maintenance company Adria Tehnika, which is a regional Authorised Service Facility for base and other repairs on all Bombardier CRJ series aircraft. As such, Adria, with its fleet of nine CRJ jets, is its biggest customer. The Slovenian carrier is said to be in advanced stages of planning for the arrival of the new type, with crew expected to begin aircraft training next spring.
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Sukhoi Superjet 100 celebrates its tenth anniversary since rollout this year. It has the capacity to seat between 87 and 108 passengers, depending on cabin layout and seat configuration. The SSJ100 has a single-engine option, the SaM146, manufactured by France's Safran in cooperation with Russia’s United Engines. The Russian manufacturer is already planning a new generation of the regional jet with extended capacity, new wings and new engines, which is expected to appear after 2025. The first European carrier outside of Russia to operate the SSJ100 on revenue flights is the Irish regional airline CityJet, while Brussels Airlines has wet-leased some of the aircraft. "We expect that operations in Brussels will attract interest from other European airlines", Mr Masalov said, adding that by the end of the year Sukhoi will have delivered eight Superjets to CityJet. Negotiations are also about to resume with Air France concerning the possible wet-lease of SSJ100s from CityJet.
WOW :O
ReplyDeleteReplacing the CRJ with amother current-generation, heavier aircraft which burns more fuel per seat. Short sighted management at its best.
ReplyDelete+100000
DeleteIt depends on where you're looking from. In my opinion that's a clever move to sell the CRJs and liquidate the company without raising too much objection from the media (as everyone would think that the company is renewing the fleet). It is obvious that Adria's losses are increasing every day and private investors are not as generous as the states.
DeleteI think they lease all their aircraft
DeleteIt does have some cost saving benefits, of operating just one aircraft type
I highly doubt JP has not done its homework. I don't see them switching to a completely new model so that they can lose some more money.
DeleteAlso, there are studies online which show the SSJ being more economical than the E90/95.
The most cramped CRJ carries less people than the least cramped SSJ (SSJ has bigger revenue).
DeleteEmpty weight not even 2500kg more on the SSJ so weight per pax is about the same.
But on the other hand the SSJ has much longer legs. Also baggage capacity is greater.
SSJ looks more like a mainline aircraft. The CRJ looks like a small aircraft to people who don't understand aircraft. To them= engines under the wings equals big plane.
Only Russophobes care that the SSJ is made in Russia. To bad that Russia has made great accomplishments in aerospace throughout its history. NASA astronauts don't seem to mind riding Russian rockets.
And an A320 carries more people than the SSJ100
DeleteAnd Adria got rid of it
Wanna guess why?
+1
DeleteThe flying experience onboard the CRJs is absolutely horrible. Especially on flights longer than 90 minutes.
Nemjee, Aleksandat, I could not agree more.
DeleteBTW, NASA astronauts don't mind riding SSJ100 to Baikonur neither
Well, it makes complete sense for 4K to replace the existing fleet before selling the company. Look at it this way, they are getting new aircraft for free (my guess is, the lease is going to cost the same amount as for the CRJ and MUCH cheaper than A319 - AAP and AAR). To the potential buyer it will seem as they've (4K) done a great job at restructuring the company. Never mind there are almost no maintenance centres in Europe and spare parts are hard, if not impossible, to get by.
DeletePlus, CityJet has a fleet of 15 SSJ100 and is a direct competition to Adria when it comes to "wet leasing" business. So I'm not sure how the old/new strategy of Adria (becoming a wet lease operator) is going to play out in the long run. Maybe will see a merger between CityJet and Adria.
Comparing to the e190 is stupid, and has got nothing to do with being a "Russophobe". This decision to get SSJs would indeed be shortsighted, having no interest in safeguarding Adria's future.
DeleteEven if the SSJ competes with the e190/5, that's nothing to shout from the hills - the e-jet itself is almost a 20 year old design, and being upgraded to a variant that the SSJ certainly can't compete with.
It's a bit like discussing whether to get 737 classics for your fleet replacement ...in the late 90s.
It's not Russo-phobes, it's the fact that political tensions between Slovenia (EU/NATO) and Russia are much more likely than between Slovenia and France/USA/Brazil/Canada/any other place. Remember, Russia already has some restrictions due to Crimea stuff.
DeleteImagine the following scenario, Adria gets 12 Sukhoi aircraft, returns CRJs back to lessor. Next day there is an embargo with Russia and you cannot get spare parts (yes, a lot of stuff comes from the west, but engines for example are Russian-made). So you have 12 aircraft AOG.
Anonymous at 10:01 AM
DeleteSSJ Maintenance center in on Marco Polo Airport, Venice
@Ivan Pavlović: I think there is only Maintenance Training Organisation (beside pilots and flight attendants training).
DeleteTying yourself to the economic fate of a country where you don't fly to and who is in economic and political conflict with countries that make up your entire market is incredibly risky. It could backfire spectacularly. At least CityJet doesn't have complete reliance on SSJ100 like JP would.
DeleteApologies for the political tone, but in this instance the fate of civil aviation and politics in completely intertwined. What would be if EU imposes embargoes on the state-owned Russian bank providing the finances?
Da li ti shvatas koliko je EU ekonomija bolesna da su ih Britanci odhebali i da oni ne mogu da izdrze embargo Rusiji koji im namece US koja inace trguje sa njima?
DeleteIf one was to follow your logic then no one should be buying Embraers given the state of Brazil's economy... which is on the brink of collapse.
DeleteMind you, I wouldn't worry too much about the fate of Russia's economy. The other day they discovered massive oil fields. ;)
@Anon 10:32
Deletehttp://www.superjetinternational.com/media-center/superjet-international-extends-its-maintenance-services-on-the-ssj100/
Nemjee, the admin deleted the preceding paragraphs, but safe to say that Brazil has not illegally annexed another sovereign country's territory resulting in a major economical and political conflict between what is essentially JP's market and the makers of SSJ100.
DeleteExisting embargoes could easily one day be expanded to include the state-owned bank behind the deal.
In any case, anyone who's ever done risk analysis will know that their risk tracker for this move would be covered in red ink.
Weren't all you saying how aviation should be kept separate from policits, blaming Vucic for supporting this or that route, calling Hainan a political route but now you almost support EU sanctions that could prevent Adria getting and airworthy and modern aircraft?
DeleteWhere's the end to the hypocrisy?
DeleteSo if it's political by the EU or the US, it's ok. If it's political by Serbia, Russia, UAE or whoever it's not.
If it's West trying to sell their planes everywhere, then that's great. Russia expanding it's influence bad bad bad
Mind-boggling
Wonder how you live with such a mess in your mind.
Worthy of...
DeleteSo by that logic Serbia should ban all companies from countries that have recognized Kosovo's independence?
Also, I highly doubt anyone in the West should lecture anyone on morality.
Business is business. Adria is a privately owned airline and as such they should purchase aircraft that suit them the most.
Of course they can do whatever they want, but we can still discuss pros and cons, can't we?
DeleteOf course we can and we should discuss these things. However, some are bringing politics into business and that is something that should be avoided.
DeleteNemjee, clearly, you're either purposefully misrepresenting what I said or you're not actually reading my posts.
DeleteYou brought the "ban" into this discussion, I didn't even mention it.
Second, independence and annexation are rather different. Certainly, KS independence didn't result in embargoes against the West by, say, Russia. If it did, it would be incredibly risky for a company from the entity imposing embargoes to purchase equipment that is critical to its business from the countries that are the target of such embargoes. In particular if the business gets essentially its entire income from the entity that is imposing the embargo.
Oh, and also, I didn't bring "morality" to this discussion eight.
My arguments were about business risk management. Needless to say, private businesses are free for make whatever decisions they see fit for them.
I'm left wondering, did you even read my posts? At least you dropped your Brazil comparison, which I appreciate.
Worthy...
DeleteMost of my replies were answers to several posters on here. Hence the ban.
Actually, Crimea was annexed only after a referendum took place. Don't forget that Crimea as well as parts of eastern Ukraine were taken away from Russia during the Khrushchev era. It's only natural for them to want to return to their motherland. So one can argue that Ukraine annexed these areas some 60 years ago.
As for Kosovo, it was a unilateral decision without Serbia's consent. Not to mention the ethnic cleansing and the destruction of Serbia's Medieval cultural heritage which took place there. All which were reasons enough for Serbia to boycott all those who supported these actions. Just like Crimea has been part of Russia, so has Kosovo always been part of Serbia.
I am not saying they should have boycotted these countries, I am just saying that as far as morality goes, there were grounds for that.
Even if it would have made little economic sense for Serbia to introduce sanctions on these countries, it would have found alternative business partners in this increasingly globalized world.
As for Brazil, it was only used as an argument to show how the quality of an aircraft doesn't directly depend on the state of the country's economy, Brazil and Embraer being a good example of this. One of the Anonymous posters on here said how airlines should stay away from Russia because of their economy. It's all up there.
In the end, I am sure JP will be happy with the choice it made. The SSJ has proven to be a fine aircraft and we should all be happy that there is finally more diversity in the skies.
More importantly, JP will get a good aircraft for a low price. An airline that's still struggling to survive needs this.
Even though this business decision might confuse some, they need to look at the financial aspect of it all in order to understand why JP thought the risk was wroth it.
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ReplyDeleteNever would have thought in a million years this would happen. Wow indeed.
ReplyDeleteAdria livery looks great! Good luck!
DeleteTake CSeries instead!!!
ReplyDeleteToo late. This is a done deal.
DeleteToo expensive (you would actually have to invest some money as opposed to the SSJ) and it has engine problems (geared turbo-fan has some issues).
DeleteCheap acquisition cost doesn't always equal cheap operating cost, high dispatch reliability, the payload you want, etc.
DeleteAnd about the engine.. is the same as a320 neo. And they already fixed the problem
Tezak udarac nacionalnom ponosu. Sad samo sluze za raskusurivanje Nemaca i Rusa.
ReplyDeleteLOL ;)
DeleteCongrats Adria. 12 aircraft is huge. Those Sukhois will look nice in Adria's livery.
ReplyDeleteI'll believe it when it's painted and on the tarmac in Brnik...
ReplyDeleteCompany is obviously going in a new direction. I think this is quite interesting.
ReplyDelete4K has big plans for Adria (and the wider region). A lot more surprises are coming from them.
DeleteCan you share more?
Delete@anon 9:31 is that speculation or inside info?
DeleteThey are looking at Croatia Airlines :)
Delete@anon 9:31 AM:
DeleteHehe, one of them being selling Adria in a year or so :).
probably just insignificant plans with no real surprises at all. maybe a route or 2 next summer and that's it. then the inevitable selling of the company
Delete@10:50 AM:
DeleteThat is correct. They(4K) have said it themselves, they're not in for the long run. They're here to make money. Unified fleet with brand new aircraft sure looks good when you're trying to sell the company. Even if it's making a loss.
C-series would have made more sense.
ReplyDeleteRussia is financing this so there is no other way for them to get brand new aircraft.
DeleteProbably in all aspects but the price... I bet you that you could barely purchase an ATR 72-600 for the money JP is paying for these...
DeleteSo... is JU next?
Yeah but for the ATR they have less costs to run but also much lower revenue. The SSJ has a very good range for a regional jet.
DeletePlus the problem with new ATRs is that demand is high and the order book is long so getting them takes forever and there is no point for ATR to give any discounts because they are gonna sell either way.
Do we need Russias influence in Slovenia? I dont need it! Nothing good comes from Russia. So I spit on their financing. It s all just tactics behind it. Good we have Croatia in ex YU, the only real resistance against this pseudo world power
DeleteAdria is a privately owned company. They can do what they want without political interference from the state.
DeleteIts a clear strategy behind this. Russia is trying to get more influence in this part of the world again and same time trying to destabilize the EU
DeleteWake up guys. Nice little gifts never hurt, dont they?
JU520 BEGLAX
DeleteCan you please stop with your anti-Russian paranoia?
If we were to follow your logic then Serbia should work hard on getting rid of everything German in the country.
Stick to aviation. If you want to talk about geopolitics there are other forums out there.
Congrats to JP once again.
@ JUBEGLAX 9.31 Croatia Airlines CEO also said last year they were interested in Sukhois for regional fleet expansion.
DeleteAbout the CSeries I would like to add, that Adria Tehnika is in process of getting approvals to become a certyfied maitinence company for the type. Maybe because of Adria Airways they will try to get it for SSJ to...
DeleteHaplek
Anon @9:35
DeleteSo now he will be relieved ;)
I mean Anon@9:53 (So now he will be relieved), sorry
Delete@AnonymousJune 21, 2017 at 9:53 AM
DeleteNo they didn't. OU only looked at E-190 or E2-190, Bombardier CRJ 1000 and CS-100.
CS-100 is favorite and OU will negotiate the deal with Bombardier once Q400 deal is done next year. OU will retain Q400 for regional network, up to 550km range. Q400 has range of 2000km, with max 6000l of fuel on board. Q400 normally carries 4000l of fuel, 78 pax and has a range of 1750km in that combination.
It is 12% more economical than ATR-72 600, the nearest regional turboprop competitor.
^ i know you probably don't want to think they are looking at Sukhoi because it does not work into your dreamy outlook on OU but there is no need to make things up. You also previously claimed how they are in Canada ordering the CS100. Reality is different my friend.
DeleteHere is an exceprt from an article:
Croatia Airlines' CEO, Krešimir Kučko, said, "We are considering the Bombardier CRJ, Superjet SSJ100 and Embraer E-Jet. While you would think the CRJ would be a better fit for the fleet given our existing Bombardier operations, that isn’t the case. Manufacturer commonality isn’t such a huge advantage when you operate turboprops but want to introduce jets".
Mr Kučko also noted, "For us, it’s about cost effectiveness. The CRJ and SSJ100 can take a maximum of 100 seats while the Embraer can take more. So, if your other variables are taken care of, the Embraer’s unit cost can actually work out less than Bombardier’s CRJ. But while the Embraer E-Jet has a slightly better operational performance, its heavier weight means it is more expensive to operate given its higher handling fees and air navigation charges"
@AnonymousJune 21, 2017 at 2:46 PM
DeleteArticle posted on this blog and nowhere else !!!
Seriously !!!
OU never considered SSJ and will never consider SSJ, CS100 and E-190 are under consideration now. With CS-100 having better chance due to great incentives put by the Canadians. CRJ-1000 was an option but they limit the comfort and business class.
OU wants to work on improving business class with new aircraft that enter the fleet.
A320 NEOs will have all new business class seats and OU is looking at offering same or similar level of service Lufthansa and Swiss offers in their business class. This can't be done with CRJ-1000. Too narrow.
You can't accept facts even when you are presented with them. It is a direct interview with the CEO on Ch Aviation. But I guess you know better than the CEO when he tells you they are looking at Sukhois.
Deletehttps://blog.ch-aviation.com/2016/12/21/ch-aviation-interview-kresimir-kucko-ceo-croatia-airlines/
Now go make up some other stuff.
Don't forget that SSJ100 has two accidents during flight test program on record. How many test aircraft has Bombardier crashed recently?
DeleteHow many crash landings caused by faulty landing gear system did SSJ have?
Delete@AnonymousJune 21, 2017 at 3:02 PM
DeleteSome blog again,
As I've said, OU has no pans to acquire SSJs, ever!!
I couldn't care what Kucko might or might have not said, he is on his way out, however OU has a clear strategy, A320s for high season flights and high yield destinations, Q400s for regional network and CS100 or E-190/E2-190 for European network.
SSJs do not form part of overall strategy. They're inefficient, too expensive to run and parts for the aircraft could pose difficulty due to sanctions on Russia.
Russia is also unreliable economic partner.
I doubt Adria will purchase SSJs, for the same reasons.
Ch aviation is not a blog. They just call the interview section of their site "blog". So you are saying Ch aviation which is one of the more popular aviation sites made up the interview with Kucko because it does not fit in with your fantasy? You are a laughable idiot. BTw CH aviation has its regional office in Zagreb. Do us all a favour, stop visiting blogs you don't trust. Spread your lies elsewhere. You have no clue whatsoever what's happening at Croatia Airlines and everyone here already knows you don't.
DeleteJesus Christ. OU can't afford any of those planes you mentioned. Best they can do is to lease a plane for the high season and that's it.
Delete@AnonymousJune 21, 2017 at 6:38 PM
DeleteWell, I never said I know what is happening in Croatian Airlines, however I can see what the OU's strategy is.
OU won't buy or lease some Russian jets just cause you want it. And again, Kucko is on his way out, new management will pursue strategy that government sets for the airline.
AnonymousJune 21, 2017 at 7:53 PM
DeleteAs long Air Serbia can afford 10 brand new A320 Neo, that's what's most important here.
No it can't and I don't care about Air Serbia. Don't take every criticism of Croatia Airlines as some nationalistic rant.
DeleteSo much negativity just because it's Sukhoi. Grow up people.
ReplyDeleteThe CRJs were a good choice, even without the fact that maintenance was local
DeleteThe Airbus deals were the thing that was killing Adria
Wrong twice firstly crj was not a choice it was political decision and second some crj leasing are almost as hi as AAP and AAR, and much higher than AAX.
DeleteIf we stay with finances only.
Otherwise i guess passangers will not cry over crj. I know for sure crews wont
Would go out of my way to book an Adria Flight just to fly on the SSJ and and another frame to my list.
ReplyDeleteBravo Adria!
ReplyDeleteBasically with these planes they will replace their entire fleet, Airbuses included
ReplyDeleteThe plane is actually predominantly Italian, but that's another story. Besides, SN already are using them, so what's the big deal? Remember how Tupolev used to used during communist times? They were great, admit it!
ReplyDeleteIt's just that people have this bias misconception that everything from Russia is bad.
DeleteNot only that but SN is also leasing additional SSJs from CityJet when one of their aircraft goes tech.
DeleteThe airline said that they are very happy with the aircraft and that the feedback they got from their passengers was positive.
It is all bad. Tupolew, terrible aircraft. Ugly design, cabin inside disgusting. Noisy that the ears ached
DeleteCars a joke comparing to the westerns. Do u hve an idea why their system crashed in the end of the 80s? How blind and naive are you??
Yes, yes... we get it. Russian economic imperialism is bad. Western economic imperialism is good.
DeleteWhy is everybody mentioning SN in the Sukhoi story? They are not operating the aircraft.
DeleteExactly. There is only one operator of the SSJ in Europe and that's Cityjet. Just like Croatia isn't a new CRJ1000 customer because they've leased Air Nostrum's.
DeleteAnd Cityjet still haven't used the SSJ on any of their own operations... in fact the three they had last winter spent most of it sitting on the ground in Dublin.
Nemjee, would have be so kind to direct us to the sources where SO state that "they are very happy" with SSJ100 and that "the feedback they got from their passengers was positive," please?
DeleteWe hear it regularly on this site and it would be good to cross check.
SSJ100 Reviews, of course. I am kind enough even though a simple Google search would have done the job. :)
Deletehttp://www.rusaviainsider.com/third-superjet-100-brussels-airlines/
CityJet is moving towards the leasing business, that's why they are not flying them themselves.
DeleteNemjee, thanks for the link. I did search on Google, but couldn't find any sources stating that SN are "very happy" or satisfied with SSJ100. Even less that the feedback they got from their customers was positive.
DeleteYour link didn't help in that regard either.
I trust that you understand the difference between wet leasing an aircraft type and being very happy with it. Even more so to state that the feedback from their customers is positive.
Look, if you are determined to prove that SN is not happy with the aircraft then I can't help you there. All I can do is to provide you with some links that could shed some light on this matter.
DeleteIf the SSJ was such a disaster of an aircraft then SN would not have leased it. Furthermore, they still have to pay for the fuel and they dispatch it so they can judge the aircraft based on its efficiency and reliability. I guess those were the things that made them 'happy.'
Also, SN Brussels is owned by LH which is very close with JP. I am sure they shared their experiences with the Slovenes before they decided to fully commit to the Sukhoi.
How many times must it be repeated... SN is not evaluating the Sukhoi superjet. They've only wet leased them from Cityjet. That means they don't have any crews trained on it, it's not maintained by them, they don't pay the fuel, and frankly they couldn't care about its dispatch reliability. They simply pay Cityjet to do all that. Linking SN to LH, and then to JP requires the greatest stretch of the imagination to link what's going on at Adria with SN Brussels Airlines.
DeleteIf there was any link in all this, it would be with Cityjet, who are also CRJ operators. But in reality this business between JP and Sukhoi appears to be about getting new planes on the cheap, much as it was for Cityjet when they were broke and in need of replacing the Avro. Since then, Cityjet has won the SAS contract, kept it's Avro fleet and uses the SSJ purely for ACMI work.
Germans...germans are now chosing.
DeleteBesides that, dont forget that adria leased planes and crews to city jet and did initial trainingfor them last year. I guess they have some contacts there too
@Anonim: What are you talking about? Adria never leased any crew to CityJet. You're probably mixing CityJet with Nordica.
Delete@Anonymous 4:42 PM:
DeleteExactly! CityJet is Adria's direct competitor in the ACMI market. I'm wondering if there is enough business for both of them.
Aman da je SSJ takav krsh sve se plasim da bi ga SN uopste i uzeo u razmatranje. Uzeli bi neki Embraer ili CRJ. Dakle spustite se malo na zemlju, znam da vam je teshko zbog neverovatne mrznje prema rusiji ali se potrudite barem malo.
DeleteAnon 4.42
DeleteIn a wet lease agreement it's the lessee that pays for the taxes and the fuel or in this case it's SN ;)
@Anonimus 5:24 5:27 if you dont know the facts it doesent mean it didnt happend. I am not mixing anything. The fact is that adria in february 2016 leased one of its crj S5-AAV to cityjet, part of leasing were also captains and instructors, who trained cityjet crews after Implementation of new type. That lease took almost two months. So guys it is nice to know something before making comments. Also i dont understand what has to do with anything that companies are competitiors. You think that city jet wouldnt implement crj if adria wouldnt lease the plane. It would, just adria wouldnt earn anything.
DeleteYou know germans are here to make money, not playing balkan gameswhos d... is biger
Yes and no. Sometimes the agreement is an all in quote per block hour including all expenses (such as fuel), though given the lenth of the lease, it can also make more sense to include the lessor's AOC in the lessee's fuel hedge agreement, should one exist. There's no way of knowing without seeing the contract.
DeleteNemjee, please don't jump to conclusions. I've read here several that SN are "very happy" with SSJ100, but I had not seen any evidence to support such claims. So, I stayed open-minded and asked for sources. Never crossed my mind that SN are unhappy. Btw, not being unhappy does not imply that they're happy, they may think it's just OK.
DeleteNevertheless, no evidence has emerged that SN are "very happy," let alone that customer feedback has been positive about the aircraft. That is important for note.
I understand but my point is that if they were not happy with the aircraft then they wouldn't be putting their livery on it and flying it around Europe. That's all.
DeleteIf the aircraft was utter trash (as some claim on here) then it would have been removed from service already.
Finally, the only link I found was that Russian aviation portal which included a comment made by an SN official saying they were happy. That's all that's available at the moment. Once more information surfaces then maybe we could discuss this matter further.
@Anonim: I see, you were talking about the 2 month dry lease of AAV. But that was without crews, as far as I remember. They were doing base training somewhere in Germany.
DeleteAs far ass your second point goes, it has everything to do with competition. Do you really believe there is enough wet lease business in Europe in the 100 pax segment aircraft to sustain 2 companies with approximately 15 aircraft each? Let's face it, both Adria and CityJet have gone done the leasing road. Their scheduled flights do not bring them enough money to keep the companies afloat. Oh, and Germans also participate in d*ck measuring contests.
@Anonim: Once again, i dont know what you remember i am just telling you once again. That training was made with Adria Crew members, Captains, Instructors. That is a fact.
DeleteSecondly i give up. If you think that competition means no cooperation, let it be.
@Anonim:
DeleteI too was thinking about a merger/cooperation between Adria and CityJet, since they will have a similar fleet and they're both in wet leasing business. However, if it doesn't materialise, it will be a though competition.
I give up as well. There might have been a few instructors involved, but there sure were no captains (it was only training flights, so you can't have non-instructor captains on flight).
Wow, exciting times for Adria
ReplyDeleteI think JU should replace those ATRs with Superjets.
ReplyDeleteAgree
DeleteActually, I disagree. I think the A319s should be replaced by the SSJ.
DeleteJU should have a fleet of A320s, SSJs and Atrs.
For example, the SSJ could be dispatched to OTP or SKG in the noon wave but the Atr could go at night. Outside the regional wave the SSJ could be deployed to destinations such as CPH, STR, TXL... where the same number of seats could be kept while the number of frequencies would be increased.
I think the Atr has a great role at JU and it shouldn't be replaced.
SSJ should replace A319. A319 is too much plane. Not needed. Frequency could be increased with SSJ.
DeleteWhat's impressive about this that it is 12 planes! That's basically the size of their entire fleet at the moment.
ReplyDeleteCan't believe this is actually a thing. And I was laughing just a few days ago :|
ReplyDeleteTold you so :).
ReplyDeleteHats off. Good choice!
ReplyDeleteRussians are also investing in Maribor.
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Interesting times ahead!
Haplek
I must admit I'm shocked. Not in a bad way, just did not think Adria would ever get Sukhois. They kept it under wraps quite well.
ReplyDeleteNo wonder AA and Tehnika are not on the best of terms.
ReplyDeleteI think Adria now accounts for about 30% of Adria Tehnika's ops. But still this would also have an impact. But hey, they could always get a license to service Sukhoi planes. I doubt it would be that complicated.
DeleteThere is no need for AA to use Adria Tehnika. And there is no need to do base maintenance of the aircraft at your own base.
DeleteThis is an indication that their finances are improving and that it's not all gloom and doom for them as some were predicting.
ReplyDeleteOn the contrary, I think the main reason why they are looking for SSJ100 is because Sukhoi desperately needs more customers and is willing to sell/lease the aircraft well below break-even price.
DeleteNo, actually it is not a sign. The deal would actually save Adria some money (leasing agreements for A319 AAP and AAR) are horrible (around a quarter of a million per year per plane). It's a sign of 4K trying to sell Adria in a year or so and trying to make a good deal of money from it.
DeleteNot some money, COO says that difference in leasing costs per year are 12 mio usd.
DeleteIf this is true we have clear answer why.
Altough 4K dont know a lot about aviation but they know how to save money.
Not quarter of milion per year. It is 250.000 per mounth...
Deleteyes its 250000 per month; 250000 per year would be a bargain.
DeleteBravo Adria!
ReplyDeleteVery surprising choice by Adria.
ReplyDeleteThey didn't have Russian planes during communist times, but now they will.
ReplyDeleteEU sanctions incoming. How dare they buy (superior) Russian planes.
ReplyDeletetrolish comet, SSJ is rubbish, inefficient and costly aircraft, especially for regional routes.
DeleteNot even comparable to CRJ 900 or E-190.
In short SSJ is worst aircraft out of all regional aircraft. MC-21 on the other hand is a decent Russian passenger jet. Comparable to CS-100, or 300, well 15% more expensive to run than CS-100 or 300, but has 10-12% more capacity.
Stop trolling. SSJ is a fantastic aircraft and if that wasn't true then airlines like SN Brussels or Interjet would not be flying it. Or maybe you think you better than they and JP know?
DeleteAnonymousJune 21, 2017 at 1:26 PM
DeleteIf you bothered to look at SSJ and its fuel efficiency, and compared it to competitors, you'd realize how stupid your comment is.
SSJ got only few sales beyond Russia. As to Adria sales, lets not jump to conclusions based on article here. I like to wait and see, or as they say ain't over till fat lady sings.
When you are trying to deny reality because you fon't like what you arr hearing...
DeleteNonsense. The Embraer E2 is more economical, current ones are NOT.
DeleteI don't get all this hate because the aircraft are from Russia. Have anyone of you ever flown with the SSJ100? If you have, what do you think Bombardier is superior. So much close mindedness.
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DeleteI think the official order will be made during the weekend.
ReplyDeleteThey are a 100% privately owned company. They can do whatever they please and want.
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DeleteA lot of people don't get that.
Croatia Airlines Fleet Renewal Fail
ReplyDeleteMaybe OU takes over two or three CR9s from JP!?
DeleteHow is this story any different from the story that was published on Sunday? I don't see any new information.
ReplyDeleteYou now know how many planes they want to buy which you didn't know, how the transaction will happen through Russian bank, that this is not just Sukhoi trying to persuade Adria but that it is actually happening, that they want to replace the Bombardiers, when the planes are supposed to arrive, when is crew training going to take place. So yeah a lot of new information.
DeleteTrue, that info is new, but there is nothing confirmed (or planned), it says it is just considering the order like before.
DeleteFirst you said there was nothing new, now it turns out there is something new. Plans to order TWELVE planes is newsworty on its own.
DeleteThe part about 12 planes I actually heard before (not on this site).
DeleteGood for you. Now it's confirmed by Sukhoi.
DeleteYep this looks to me like 4K's plan to sell Adria probably at the start of 2019. Improve revenue, increase passenger numbers, replace entire fleet and sell. Done.
ReplyDeleteExactly! The rumours about buying OU don't make much sense.
DeleteAnd the next owner is a Russian
DeleteMaybe they will sell it to OU lol
DeleteFor those interested in a trip report aboard the SSJ100 operating for Brussels Airlines (I wasn't aware they were actually painted in Brussels Airlines livery)
ReplyDeletehttp://www.luchtzak.be/trip-reports/first-brussels-airlines-sukhoi-superjet-flight-operated-cityjet/
Thanks for sharing. Looks fantastic on the inside. These will be great for Adria.
DeleteThis SSJ will be operating between Brussels and Zagreb from time to time during the winter season.
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DeleteThey will be operating between Zagreb to Brussels, Lisbon, Rotterdam, Malmo, Gasterbajter and Dusseldorf. Of course during the winter but there is a good chance that there these routs will be year round.
That's a surprise. A good oportunity to update the livery.
ReplyDeleteMy thoughts too. It would be nice if they added some color.
DeleteIt would be great if they redid their logo and everything. Make all things new again when you have the chance. Lively aircraft which attract passengers who want to fly them for that specific purpose only and it's also a good promotor and makes people know where to put a good livery on the map
DeleteI think the current logo, typeface and A on the tail are nice, they could be the basis of a new livery
DeleteI liked this concept on behance https://www.behance.net/gallery/12704011/Adria-Airways-rebranding-concept
DeleteVery interesting news from Adria. Will be a big change for employees.
ReplyDeleteSo what's gonna happen to the CRJs?
ReplyDeleteReturned to the lessor.
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ReplyDeleteif adria actually places an order this could be the biggest news in the region this year.
ReplyDeletenajveći iskorak, as purger would say.
although, i have no idea how will this order be sustainable with adria's finances, but let's all hope it goes well!
As writen Adria COO says that leasing costs will be 12 mio usd lower with ssj than now
DeleteThat's HUGE !
DeleteAnyone who understands how thin the margins are in this game, will understand why they are doing this and why it makes perfect financial sense.
Mozda je to jednostavno najbolja ponuda bila za JP i svakako ne znam sta to toliko hvali SSJ kad odlicno izgleda avion .
ReplyDeleteA JP svakako svaka cast na obnovi flote.
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Fali mu mozda nesto, al sigurno ne HVALI.
Delete*facepalm*
DeleteAs long as the aircraft looks good, who cares about anything else, right?
My b*tt will not sit in that! Frequent Flyer, gold cards, not price sensitive passenger.
ReplyDeletethis report is much more complete than the other one of luchtzak;
ReplyDeleteit answers questions I saw about passenger feeling and pilot's feelings:
http://www.luchtzak.be/airlines/lufthansa-group/brussels-airlines/trip-report-flying-the-sukhoi-superjet-operated-by-cityjet/
Nice report. I also enjoyed my flights with SSJ, both with Aeroflot and Brussels Airlines (operated by CityJet): perfect aircraft with airy and fresh cabin.
DeleteWho would thought that SSJ will raise temperature so much?
ReplyDeleteHowever you slice it there is not a single airline on this Earth which works economically with using only russian-built aircraft. Something tells me Adria will not be the first one who can make it. End of story.
ReplyDeleteWhat a bunch of ignorant comments can be founf here. For those of you dreaming about the CS100 let me tell you they will cost 3 times more leasing them than the SSJ for about the same number of seats. Even used E190s will cost them more to lease, and no, they are not buying anything, they will get the leasing at about 100K USD per month per bird, that is even cheaper than getting ATRs or Q400s. If they know how to rotate and maintain their SSJ fleet they will be able to achieve good operational performance, Interjet from Mexico has achieved better operational reliability with their sukhois than with their Airbus fleet.
ReplyDeleteCheap acquisition cost doesn't always equal cheap operating cost, high dispatch reliability, the payload you want, etc.
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