Dubrovnik Airport has identified the United States and South Korea as two markets which could sustain services to the coastal city but noted that the development of long haul flights is still some way off. Speaking to EX-YU Aviation News, Dubrovnik Airport's Deputy Director General, Frano Luetić, said, "These two far-away markets are the most important for Dubrovnik. According to the city's tourist board, visitors from the US are the second most common, behind those from the United Kingdom, which is specific to the Dubrovnik region. On the other hand, Korean tourists are most plentiful during the winter months". With exception to several summer charters from Japan, operated by All Nippon Airways, Dubrovnik Airport currently has no regular long haul flights. Mr Luetić noted that despite the potential, there are still no concrete announcements concerning the establishment of such services.
In 2016, local authorities said they were seeking a partner for the introduction of a two weekly, year-round, New York - Dubrovnik service. At the time, the now former Mayor, Andro Vlahušić, said, "The number of visitors from the United States to Dubrovnik has tripled over the past five years, which is why we want to establish direct flights between New York and Dubrovnik. A two weekly service from New York would significantly contribute to the tourism industry during the winter months". Earlier this year, the Croatian Minister for Tourism, Gari Capelli, noted, "We are in serious negotiations over the introduction of year-long flights from Croatia to New York, most likely from Zagreb and Dubrovnik, even from Split. All signs point towards the launch of seasonal flights during the high season in 2018 and year-long services in 2019". During the 1980s, both JAT Yugoslav Airlines and Pan Am operated seasonal flights from the States to Dubrovnik, while TWA ran charters from New York from time to time. On the other hand, the President of Korean Air, Won-Tae Cho, has said the company is looking into expanding its presence in Croatia in the coming years.
Dubrovnik Airport is set for another record year, with some 2.320.000 passengers expected in 2017, which would represent an increase of over 16% on 2016. "Despite working closely with both local and regional authorities, as well as the tourist board, traffic during the five winter months will not be greatly improved. In addition to daily flights to Zagreb, there will also be two weekly services to Split, Rijeka and Osijek (Trade Air), three weekly flights to Frankfurt operated by Croatia Airlines, followed by three to four weekly services to Istanbul by Turkish Airlines, two weekly flights to London by British Airways, and a new two weekly service to Rome and Barcelona operated by Vueling", Mr Luetić said. He added, "Local authorities are not particularly happy with the national carrier's scheduling and talks are underway to improve departure times from Dubrovnik to Zagreb, as well from Zagreb to Dubrovnik, to cater for the needs of our citizens. Currently, the scheduling has been primarily adapted to international passengers transferring through Zagreb. Furthermore, the airline has been requested to move its afternoon departures to Frankfurt to the mornings, as they are inconvenient for passengers catching connections from and to the United States. These passengers are most common on flights to Frankfurt. Ticket prices for locals are also being negotiated".
I think it could work, especially to the US. There is definitely potential.
ReplyDeleteAgree, besides Belgrade and Zagreb, Dubrovnik is the only city that has (seasonal) potential for US flights.
DeleteTwo weekly year round would have been too much. But during the season it would definitely work.
DeleteUnfortunately an American mainstream carrier wouldn't bother to operate a flight just 2 times per week. A charter or leisure airline could.
ReplyDeleteIt could be operated by a European airline. Norwegian seems suitable for this sort of service.
DeleteYou could always try and get a US airline to extend their Venice flight to Dubrovnik.
DeleteVenice is very close to all Croatian cities plus they can go around with a boat or via very good roads.
DeleteNot true really. Venice is close to Istria, but not to Split or Dubrovnik. Seasonal flights to NY will make sense (hopefully) in the future.
DeleteU Veneciji su sve ugostiteljske usluge za preko 20% posto skuplje nego u Duborvniku. Dubrovnik je dobra alternativa Americkim turistima.
DeleteThe only issue is that people go to Venice because it's Venice, not because it's cheap or affordable.
DeleteVenice has no substitute, Dubrovnik is light years behind it. I guess most people on here have never been to the city.
No American airline would bother 2 weekly flights per week.
ReplyDeleteAgree. For a mainstream American airline to launch Dubrovnik they would have to fly daily or at least six weekly. Unfortunately I don't think the demand is that huge to justify so many flights.
DeleteMaybe the cost is still too high to justify such a route.
ReplyDeleteI will tend to believe the airport deputy manager rather than the minister.
ReplyDeleteDid JAT used to fly from Dubrovnik to New York or another city in the US?
ReplyDeleteJFK
DeletePan Am too but I think it was via Frankfurt, while JU was nonstop.
Deletehaha cool. What plane model is that?
DeleteI think it's a B707.
DeleteI don't think so. They retired all their 707s by the time they started flying to Dubrovnik.
DeleteAnd here is a pic of Dubrovnik on the front cover of the pan am Clippers magazine :)
Deletehttp://1.bp.blogspot.com/-AF0ZQHMb3sY/VloJwCw_6eI/AAAAAAAAUb4/EVcA0IkCFfM/s1600/panam.png
Kind of sad that this was normal 30 years ago but would be a massive thing today.
DeleteTrue
DeleteIt was a different time back then.
DeleteSocijalističke osamdesete ostaće zapamćene kao zlatno doba hrvatskog turizma. Najviše turista bilo 1987.
DeleteKind of sad you can fly for 20 EUR return these days, btu you had to pay couple of months worth of salary to go somewhere 30 years ago.
DeleteBring back the old days!
haha! Well said, last anon! Besides, Croatia already surpassed the best pre-war year in terms of tourist numbers, a couple of years back.
DeleteActually many paramaters have not been overtaken yet. For example number of British tourist overnight stays is still below 1987 level, and there are many other examples too. Many will be overtaken this year though.
DeleteThere were scheduled seasonal flights DBV-ORD as well. JAT had flown them on DC-10, and also sometimes with wet-leased L1015 from Alia (royal jordanian), with JAT cabin crew+Jordanian pilots and chief purser
DeleteIt would be unlikely for NYC-DBV to launch before flights to Zagreb.
ReplyDeleteSomeone could always start New York - Zagreb - Dubrovnik - New York.
DeleteA few years ago National Airlines planned to fly New York-Zagreb-Dubrovnik with B757.
DeleteSo what happened?
DeleteThey ran into financial problems.
DeleteThey were not in financial problems back then. They probably realized they would not make any money on this route.
DeleteConcerning the last paragraph, it is unfortunate that Croatia Airlines has reduced its ops from Dubrovnik so much during the winter. No more Rome operated by them either.
ReplyDeleteIt is the result of low demand.
DeleteVueling doesn't seem to think so.
DeleteOU has given up on DBV and other airlines are taking more and more of its passenger share, like elsewhere on the coast.
DeleteI'm surprised Air Transat hasn't tried Dubrovnik from Toronto. Seems like a good fit for them.
ReplyDeleteThat would hurt their route to Zagreb.
DeleteIt would have been a cherry on top of the cake for flights to the US to have been launched this year, with the new terminal opening and so many new routes it really would have been the next major step for DBV. Let's hope it happens in 2018.
ReplyDeleteHow many US visitors to Dubrovnik this year or last year?
ReplyDelete82.287 arrivals. 254.931 overnights.
Deleteso there is an increasing demand for Croatia in the US. Anyone knows if AS can profit from it?
DeleteThey are already profiting from it. This is from JU from two months ago.
Delete“The flights from the US have captured strong travel demand from countries neighbouring Serbia, with high volumes of connecting traffic from Montenegro, Albania, Greece, Macedonia and Croatia. This has driven the growth of tourism arrivals from America, and we are particularly seeing a large number of holidaymakers who are combining a visit to Belgrade with an onward trip to the Adriatic coast”, Air Serbia said.
I still don't get that Croatia Airlines hasn't leased one or two A330s. The cost of leasing its quite low at the moment. They could pretty much pick and choose the destinations during the summer - US, Canada, Japan, Korea... You would be earning much more on these tourists that way.
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Deletehahaha
DeleteAnd with what money do you expect them to lease such a plane? It is not just the cost of leasing it also the cost of training crew, gaining permits etc. The airline does sell and leasebacks of aircraft engines to show profits in their financial report so it wouldn't look as if the restructuring process was unsuccessful, which it was. How on earth do you expect them to start such an expensive venture?
DeleteOr buy an older 777 through lease-and-buy option and serve these routes 9 months a year. I'm sure they would make money.
DeleteHow yes no.
DeleteLOL Why stop at A330s and B777? Croatia Airlines could buy a B747 or A380 to fly to New York.
DeleteHere you have a small airline who can't even run 12 aircraft profitably (OK, maybe with the sell of slots & stuff, but look overall for the past 15 years) and you want them to start a complex and risky long-haul business with one aircraft?
DeleteIve always said before that OU was always the best candidate for widebodies, with the A330 being a nice addition to their fleet. The market is clearly there for all year usage for at least 2 ac. However:
Delete- Croatian government cant finance the operations through subsidies.
- LH would probably prefer OU to funnel pax via their hubs.
- Even if OU did start long haul ops, I doubt LH would support them with funneling pax via ZAG, especially frequent fliers.
- I don't think ZAG previously was capable of properly supporting such operations, note on the word properly.
- OU lacks a proper hub to transfer pax for additional feed.
The issue with Dubrovnik is that it has little outbound traffic. It depends purely on tourists.
ReplyDeleteThere is one A332 available sitting on the tarmac for 3-4 days of the week so do some out of the box thinking and get it to fly DBV to the US while benefiting all parties involved.
ReplyDeleteThe problem is that one of the parties involved would never allow something like that.
DeleteAlso it is questionable if JU could secure a permit from the FAA to fly from an EU state to the US.
And also their A330 is on the ground for just a day during the summer. There is no need to fly via Dubrovnik during the summer because the planes are full. Flying via Dubrovnik during the winter would just increase the losses.
Delete- JU's focus is transferring pax via BEG.
Delete- During the summer months, the A330 doesn't have a lot of ground time except one day a week for maintenance.
- This winter, it seems it will be 4 p/w except for November and February.
- Croatian government hasn't been enthusiastic about JU flying to Croatia. This goes further onto media publishing stories about JU operating illegally in Croatia and stating that pax are not allowed to transit BEG on JU flights. One can only imagine what would be if JU operated flights out of Croatia.
JU could definitely do some other things with the A330, however from BEG.
There were some 320,000 US tourists in Croatia in 2016 so there is a market. Most came through as transfers via London, Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Munich, Paris, Rome and more and more via Dublin.
ReplyDeleteI think the majority are still transferring via Frankfurt.
DeleteIt is a pitty that there are no long hauls on the horizon. I'm sure when the airport actually decides to find someone to operate these flights they will be more successful.
ReplyDeleteI don't think the airport will have much of a role here. The government is trying to get flights for next year and will probably subsidize them in line with their new policy.
DeleteBravo Hrvatska!
ReplyDeleteWhat for? The airport official seems to be saying that these flights are unlikely in the short term.
DeleteKorean could easily extend its ZAG flights to go to DBV as well.
ReplyDeleteKada može ona ustajala bara od Venecije da ima letove za SAD može i mora da ima i Dubrovnik!
ReplyDeleteMletacka republika je imala desetak ispostava kao Dubrovnik po Mediteranu, sinko ne veruj svemu sto ti pricaju.
DeleteUstajala bara od Venecije??? Ahahhaahhaha ahmje ljudi kolko ne znanja.
DeleteTa ustajala bara vam je izgradila tu obalu od koje danas zivite
DeleteVenecija sama ima 28 milijuna tourista. Vise nego cijela Hrvatska. I je talijanska turisticka prijestolnica.
DeleteIt seems everyone wants flights to New York after Air Serbia started its flights to New York.
ReplyDeleteSo?
DeleteIt's completely normal. They have to become competitive.
DeleteIt's got nothing to do with Air Serbia having flights to NY. They've had this ambition since long before Air Serbia even existed. It's about the demand, the actual potential and at this point, it is only a matter of time. Many people from the States fly to Croatia via Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Paris, Vienna, London...even Belgrade. If they had the option to fly directly at least to Zagreb, they would.
DeleteThe market might be there but maybe it's not lucrative enough to warrant a direct flight. Costs of sending a plane two times per week are probably too high for the volume and revenue they can get.
Delete"Dubrovnik Airport is set for another record year, with some 2.320.000 passengers expected in 2017"
ReplyDeleteImpressive!
That means 3 airports with over 2 million passengers in Croatia this year.
DeleteDubrovnik is one of the BEST performing airports in Europe. Well done.
DeleteNot really but ok. I think KEF and KBP are performing much better
DeleteBalkan obsession of having flights to America.
ReplyDeleteIts not that much of an obsession. Dubrovnik does have visitors from the US. A seasonal 2-3 pw route is probably viable.
DeleteJU will cancel US flights soon so there will be less jealousy in the region and all will be back at square 1.
ReplyDeleteSure it will.
DeleteKeep dreaming
DeleteThere are absolutely no plans to cancel New York flight.
DeleteJU cancelling BEG to JFK? Never. That would be too intelligent....!
DeleteYou guys just console yourselves, after all it's all you've got :)
DeleteThat I believe is a rumour from skyscrapercity forum.
DeleteJU's money problems is not only on the A330 and JFK ops. JU has too many staff for the size that they are, expensive leases on aircraft that don't suit their operations. BEG is their biggest problem and which deters pax the most. Theft from luggage, delayed and damaged baggage, facilities at BEG, while friendliness of border police is when they throw your passport at you (that is, IF they decide to open a booth to serve you in the first place). Not to mention that their operations are drastically altered in the winter, while the on board product I don't believe has ever remained consistent over a full one year period.
JFK ops is far from their main problem and I doubt, for now, they would end the flights. Better to rid the fleet of 2 x A320's and 2 x A319's in replacement for 5-6 ERJ's.
Again the US flights obsession lol
ReplyDeleteI don't think they are obsessed. They outlined two markets US and Korea, which have the potential for long haul flying, probably since the admin asked a question like this. But they also say that there has been no interest from airline to start these flights.
DeleteI think a priority for DBV should be securing more winter flights. That said I wouldn't say that progress hasn't been made in this respect.
ReplyDeleteI also think they are working towards it. Last year they got Turkish Airlines, this year Vueling. Let's hope for some other for the 2018/19 winter season.
DeleteAer Lingus planned to start winter flights to Dubrovnik last year but in the end decided not to.
DeleteTalking about Aer Lingus, last year they said that they are recording a lot of transfers from the US to DBV.
DeleteTransfer pax who have confused DBV for DUB? lol
DeleteAmeričko tržište jedno od najvažnijih svjetskih emitivnih tržišta u Dubrovniku, a u korist tome govore i brojke. Tijekom protekle godine gosti iz Sjedinjenih Američkih Država bili su na drugom mjestu s 82.287 dolazaka odnosno 254.931 noćenjem. Odnosno, broj putnika SAD-a u prosjeku se kreće od oko 200 putnika dnevno to jest 1600 tjedno odnosno tijekom vrhunca turističke sezone od oko 500 putnika dnevno to jest 3000 tjedno.
ReplyDeleteIz priložene statistike se vidi da u proseku ostaju 3 noći, što govori da im Dubrovnik nije primarna destinacija, već jedna od nekoliko koliko posećuju na putovanju, što će dalje reći da su im tačke dolaska i odlaska sa evropskog kontinenta drugi, veći aerodromi.
DeleteWould be interesting to see how much these flights would bring in new tourists. Average rate of growth for the US market is 18-19% over the past 5-6 year period. And US travelers do like direct flights.
ReplyDeleteWell I do hope flights eventually start.
ReplyDeleteEvery year the same - maybe next year!
ReplyDeleteTo me it would make most sense for an airline like United to start flights from the US to Zagreb and then codeshare on Croatia Airlines which is their Star Alliance partner to Dubrovnik and Split.
ReplyDeleteUS airlines have poor coverage in Europe so I am not counting on any of them starting flights to Croatia.
DeleteWhy would they do that when IT far more efficient to funnel them through VIE, FRA, MUC...
Deleteit's just a matter of time.
ReplyDeleteAgree, they will happen, at least as seasonal flights, so many Americans during summer in DBV
DeleteI think charters from Dubrovnik to the US would be a great success straight away.
ReplyDeleteI would be more happy if they tried to attract a LCC to base an aircraft year round. Having flights to New York is nice but the benefits of having an established LCC serving several cities out of DBV during the winter period outweigh a few flights per season to New York.
ReplyDeleteThere is no need for that in DBV during the winter. For Zagreb, yes.
DeleteThe most viable routes would be DBV-NYC and DBV/LAX or SFO.
ReplyDeleteHollywood stars can come visit DBV as it is getting more famous worldwide. Also the Croatian diaspora in Amerika.
I think Portland to Split could work just fine because of all the hipsters.
Delete:D love the way some people think aviation works.
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DeleteI hope the last two Anons understood I was sarcastic (Anon 2.20)
DeleteLord almighty... :susramlje:
DeleteWouldn't it be more wise to focus on another destination in the US than one already offered nearby?
ReplyDeleteThere is enough demand for it even if it is offered nearby.
DeleteCould AS make 2/w DBV-JFK?
ReplyDeleteDBV-JFK could only work in summer when JU needs the bird in BEG. If it had another A330 then maybe. However, given that a Serbian chocolate created a scandal in Croatia, I doubt their government would allow for a Serbian airline to operate these flights.
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