The 2017/18 winter season begins in just over a month on Sunday October 29, with Air Serbia set to make cuts to its network. The Serbian carrier will be reducing its number of departures to multiple destinations, mostly by cutting one weekly flight to each from its schedule. As of October 29, the Serbian airline will no longer operate its daily service to Abu Dhabi, which was initially launched four times per week during the 2013/14 winter season. The decision was made to "allow Air Serbia to redeploy the A319 currently serving the market on shorter routes to maximise returns", the company said. The network-wide cuts also reflect the carrier's decision to lease out a single Airbus A319 aircraft until April 2018 and reduce costs.
Services from Belgrade to Banja Luka, Beirut, Berlin, Brussels, Bucharest, Paris, Rome, Stockholm and Tel Aviv will see a reduction of one weekly flight, with Zagreb cut by two weekly services to accommodate equipment for the newly launched Venice route, which will be maintained three times per week throughout the winter. Notably, flights to Larnaca will no longer operate throughout the season and will be run only during selected periods. On the other hand, the airline will add another weekly service to Zurich for a total of two flights per day. As was the case over the past three years, additional flights will run on services to Amsterdam, Athens, Beirut, Ljubljana, Moscow, Paris, Podgorica, Rome, Stockholm, Stuttgart and Thessaloniki during the busy holiday period between mid-December and mid-January. However, these seasonal increases are also down on last year.
The 2017/18 winter season runs until March 25, 2018. Please note that the changes listed below are preliminary and based on current availability in the GDS (Global Distribution System). Both frequencies and destinations are subject to change. Air Serbia is prone to making additional amendments to its scheduling mid-way through the season. Over the next month, EX-YU Aviation News will bring you all the winter season modifications each national carrier in the former Yugoslavia will be making.
| Destination | Frequency W16/17 | Frequency W17/18 | Change | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Abu Dhabi | 7 | 0 | ▼ 7 | - |
| Amsterdam | 7 | 7 | - | 8 flights from DEC11 - JAN15 |
| Athens | 7 | 7 | - | 10 flights from DEC18 - JAN08 |
| Banja Luka | 3 | 2 | ▼ 1 | 3 flights from OCT29-NOV21 DEC20-JAN25 |
| Beirut | 4 | 3 | ▼ 1 | 5 flights from DEC07 - JAN20 |
| Berlin | 7 | 6 | ▼ 1 | - |
| Brussels | 5 | 4 | ▼ 1 | - |
| Bucharest | 7 | 6 | ▼ 1 | - |
| Copenhagen | 4 | 4 | - | 3 flights from NOV25 - DEC15 |
| Dusseldorf | 7 | 6 | ▼ 1 | - |
| Frankfurt | 6 | 6 | - | - |
| Hamburg | 3 | 3 | - | seasonal DEC18-JAN08 |
| Istanbul | 7 | 0 | ▼ 7 | - |
| Larnaca | 3 | 3 | - | seasonal OCT29-NOV15 DEC20-JAN22 |
| Ljubljana | 11 | 11 | - | 13 flights from DEC19 - JAN09 |
| London - Heathrow | 7 | 7 | - | - |
| Milan | 6 | 6 | - | - |
| Moscow | 7 | 7 | - | 10 flights from DEC29 - JAN07 |
| New York | 3 | 3 | - | 4 flights from DEC15 - JAN12 |
| Paris | 13 | 12 | ▼ 1 | 13 flights from DEC22 - JAN13 |
| Podgorica | 18 | 18 | - | 20 flights from DEC11-JAN15 |
| Prague | 10 | 10 | - | - |
| Rome | 6 | 5 | ▼ 1 | 6-7 flights from DEC19 - JAN15 |
| Sarajevo | 7 | 7 | - | - |
| Sofia | 7 | 7 | - | - |
| Skopje | 7 | 7 | - | - |
| Stockholm | 4 | 3 | ▼ 1 | 5 flights from DEC15 - JAN15 |
| Stuttgart | 4 | 4 | - | 6 flights from DEC16 - JAN15 |
| St. Petersburg | 2 | 2 | - | seasonal DEC20 - JAN14 |
| Tel Aviv | 5 | 4 | ▼ 1 | - |
| Tirana | 6 | 6 | - | - |
| Tivat | 7 | 7 | - | 6 flights from OCT29-DEC23 |
| Thessaloniki | 4 | 4 | - | 5 flights from DEC19 - JAN08 |
| Vienna | 14 | 14 | - | - |
| Venice | 0 | 3 | ▲ 3 | - |
| Zagreb | 12 | 10 | ▼ 2 | - |
| Zurich | 13 | 14 | ▲ 1 | - |
Seems to me that there will be more than one A319 out of service this winter.
ReplyDeleteDidn't they originally plan to lease out 3 A319s? Could be that two will be grounded and the third will be leased out (if they manage to find anyone to lease it).
DeleteWe all learned that grounded planes (A330) are only loosing money... So what cost cutting are they talking about, really???
DeleteNot if the grounded plane losses less money by being grounded than in the air.
DeleteThen why not improve their sales so that the plane doesn't lose as much while flying?
DeleteSales are fine. The issue are not the sales, the issue is the fact that the prices are low and they can't increase the prices because then people will fly with Lufthansa or Austrian which will be offering cheaper fares.
DeleteThere is a reason why people pay more to fly on LH or OS but they don't do it with JU. That's because these other airlines have strong brands, they are reliable and offer convenient connections.
DeleteASL offers one weekly connection from JFK to TLV. Why should anyone pay a premium to fly with JU when other airlines are much more competitive.
@9:38
Deletegood idea. increase sales and yields, fill planes full and earn money.
how come nobody though of that one before?
They probably thought about it but didn't know how to achieve it. That's why they need to bring someone who has a clue.
DeleteOS i LH nude najjeftinije karte samo da uguse konkurenciju. Njima se to moze. Jevreji lete za TLV, jer im odgovara i cena i brzina presedanja, ali mnogi imaju ff programe i plate nesto vise zbog milja.
DeleteA što je Air Serbia radila tri godine? U to vrijeme dumpingom potjerala Adriju i niz drugih kompanija iz Beograda, naštetila Croatiji, B&H Airlinesu, Montenegru...
DeleteIli stvarno misliš da je let Zagreb-Beograd-Atena za 125 EUR povratna karta bio ekonomski ispaltiv? Ili su oni to radili zbog socijalne osjetljivosti i velike želje da pomognu zagrebačkim putnicima?
Moras da se naviknes da si receiver. Nema vise grebanja o Srbiju.
DeleteIsplativo je isto kao i LH. Ima vise putnika koji dele osnovnu ekonomsku cenu za aerodromske taks i sl. Nije meni problem LH, ja letim sa njima i Al Italioma no tvoj kolosalno glupavi komentar u kome pominjes neki brend kad bi ovde vecina prodala majku za 50 jura jeftiniju kartu.
Momentalno je najlepse i najpovoljnije ici Alitalijom imaju najvise mesta (barem sam ja imao) i posle sa a380 LH i najpovoljnije cene. Ostale zahebi osim prednosti AS da se ne smaras po frankfurtskom ili po Fjumicinu.
Goes to show how seasonal the ex-Yu market is. Everything is significantly down on summer, exception is one month between the middle of December and January when the diaspora travels. And it's the same for all airlines in ex-Yu.
ReplyDeleteNo demand.
DeletePrecisely the reason all need to make modifications to their fleet but especially Air Serbia. More regional aircraft are a must.
Delete^Fully agree. It would also help them open up new markets and increase frequencies on ones that already exist.
DeleteThey need to lower the prices in winter as EK is doing. Full stop.
DeleteI agree that it will make their yields go down, but if they don't do it they will 30% LF with passengers who paid their crazy winter prices instead of having 80% LF with lower prices.
Winter in Ex-Yu is surely not the time of the year when you make the profit, it is simply the period between two summers which you have to find the way how to survive.
Poor.
ReplyDeleteBanja Luka decreases every winter more and more. Might as well suspend it.
ReplyDeleteIt does well in the summer.
Deleteisn't banja luka subsidized?
DeleteNo but both Srpska and Serbia have suspended some government taxes so there are less charges.
Deletehttp://www.exyuaviation.com/2016/11/banja-luka-extends-air-serbia-subsidy.html
DeletePretty much the same as last year if you take into account that they pre-cancelled many flights last winter.
ReplyDeleteIs there any other airline with just one widebody A/C in their fleet to run 3 weekly flights with it?
ReplyDeleteKondic said that it is cheaper for them to keep it on the ground 2 days per week during the winter then fly it elsewhere. Imagine then the costs of this route.
DeleteCSA has one A333 and flies it to ICN. Then again they are a joke just like ASL is.
DeleteMaybe they will introduce those charters to New Delhi the PM keeps talking about.
DeleteThanks for publishing these planned changes each year for all the airlines. Gives us a good overview.
ReplyDelete+1
DeleteI'm glad they realized that it takes time and energy to build up a network and that you can't start with megalomic plans. Start slow and build up your network over the years, boost the LF and profitability and then think about boosting frequencies.
ReplyDeleteI don't know how the reduction in traffic will increase the LF when you completely wreck connectivity.
Delete@9.13 this the way they should have started off in the first place. Instead they made the losses even bigger and now realizes they should cut down. And when you cut down on megalomania it always looks worse than it actually is.
Delete300eur for rtn from LHR!
ReplyDeleteMid week days in Feb. Shool hols over.
Shocking!
that is shocking. i just booked YYZ-LHR-BEG-LHR-YYZ in February for 500eur
DeleteExactly! And then they complain about seasonality...Funny.
DeleteLjubljana is down one and Zagreb two because they took the ATR that was operating on those days and sent it to Venice. That's how we got 3x weekly to Venice.
ReplyDeleteAny info about winter charters?
ReplyDeleteLast year there were a lot of charters, especially around New Year. Much more than usual. I assume the same will happen this year.
DeleteOvo je ok sto se tice zimskog reda letenja.
ReplyDeleteNow compare it to Air Serbia's first winter when pretty much everything was at least daily :D
ReplyDeleteAnd planes completely empty.
DeleteThey have a product, but they have no knowledge how to sell it, thus using excuse of cost cutting measures to justify their sales department incompetence.
ReplyDeleteThey didn't know how to sell Istanbul.. Turks know, Warsaw either.. Poles know, they have no knowledge what to do with Abu Dhabi.. I bet QR and FZ know how to take the advantage.
With Transavia increasing AMS, I bet they are going to reduce it from the next season.
Complete ignorance is the trade mark for JU's management and sales dept
Well said. They simply don't know how to make it work on routes where they compete with others.
DeleteSeems like the only thing they know how to do is boast about results they wish they had, not the ones they actually achieved.
DeleteQuite sad.
That's called the Etihad school of management.
DeleteAnonymous 8:23 you forgot Moscow. They used to fly double daily flights a few years ago.
DeleteYup.. the list of their failures is know far ahead of successes. Citing each failure would be a bit of a work :)
DeleteYou know what's even more funny, the situation in the airline got so much worse once those Etihad graduates returned. lol
DeleteAnyone know how many passengers Air Serbia handled in first 8 months?
ReplyDeleteAt least I hope they can manage lease this one or three a319 .Easy going money .
ReplyDeleteIf they still haven't leased that one A319 and it's already the end of September, I doubt they will manage to.
DeleteAt least I hope they can manage lease this one or three a319 .Easy going money .
ReplyDeleteSchedule looking more and more like from the JatAirways*** era
ReplyDeleteone who flies high falls down hard.
DeleteIt's just reality. The maker is weak. And it's more cost sensitive then it was during Jat Airways' time which is sad but that is the case. Also remember that except for the last 4-5 years, Jat had little competition on most routes.
DeleteErm... Jat never pretended to have a hub, Air Serbia did/does. That means that ASL should have overcome seasonality to a certain degree.
DeleteWhat we are seeing here is Dane's utter failure in positioning his company on the transfer market.
Despite this winter reduction Air Serbia is fortunately still very far away from Jat Airways era and I truly hope it will remain on that way.
DeleteWell, Jat did offer a better business class product...
DeleteWhat a joke!
Delete21 flights (including Hamburg and St.Petersburg that fly only one month) less than last winter which already had huge reduction.
ReplyDeleteHuge cuts. Too much! Hub system does not work during winter any more.
28 exactly, as Istanbul was 7pw last year till 14th March so that is all winter time-table exempt -10 days.
DeleteThey have more transfer passengers from Istanbul now after they established cooperation with AtlasGlobal than they had last year alone. Istanbul was route where AS was loosing money when they operated route alone now they earning from that route.
DeleteDoesn't meter, still it is 7 flights less. And they did not use those capacity for some other flights. Instead that plane is parked and stationed.
DeleteAnon @ 11:50
DeleteYou are right, we have 7 flights less operated by JU.
But let's use logic now:
- At the time JU was flying to IST they had to compete against TK and it was lost battle due to connecting flights possibilities TK offers from IST. Sometimes JU even sent ATR72 to IST trying to reduce costs. They were obviously heavily losing money on IST.
Now way we have following situation
- JU has one more plane avialable
- JU does not lose money on IST
- KK fills up JU 500 to JFK
- more Turkish tourists visit Belgrade
- BEG airport has more passengers
So, yes, JU has 7 flights less to IST, but in this case cooperation with KK brought them much more.
Absolutely agree!
DeleteAnd we have one more plane available? For what? To sit with no flying in Belgrade and spent money for leasing, insurance, crew, pilots...?
That is not "available", that is spending money. And that is real point of my comment.
By your logic Air Serbia should store all fleet and give all routes to someone else. And spent money on leasing, crew etc, not on flying.
Or at least on those routes we have code-share. Let Aeroflot fly to Moscow, TAROM to Bucharest, Aegean to Athens, Montenegro to Podgorica and Tivat, Alitalia to Rome and 4 more panes should be grounded just like Abu Dhabi and Istanbul example.
Let's not forget that at the time IST was cancelled JU had still plans for IKA, KRR, Astana etc. So, this move was operationally logical and financially beneficial.
DeleteIt would be ideal situation if JU could cover with that plane immediately some other destination, but even if it doesn't do it, it is still better to try to lease it out or to keep it on the ground.
If you send it to IST you will have apart from the costs you mentioned additional expenses that will make that plane / route even less profitable. And At the same time you will not have any of the benefits described in my previous post.
It would be smart just to have a look what JP did at the time JU started flying twice daily to LJU. They recognized it had no point fighting with JU on that route and they stopped flying to BEG at the same time signing code share with JU.
Of course, it does not mean that the same logic could or should be applied to all destinations. Each destination has its own characteristics and generalizing as it has been done here, would be quite inappropriate.
JU never had plans for IKA and Astana. Mali said that their national carriers would flay those routes with JU on code-share and feeding.
DeleteKRR was never plan but just idea that could be open one day, for sure not in 2017.
So from very first moment they knew that they will have grounded planes because of cancel routes, and they just tell us story about needed extra capacity or leasing 3 planes during winter as reason to cancel those rutes.
Anyone have an average of how many flights per day they will have during the winter?
ReplyDeleteLooking at their destination map, Iberian peninsula missing big time.
ReplyDeletecan somebody explain me extra flights in november to larnaca & banja luka?
ReplyDeletewhat is the reationle there?
Larnaca does not have extra flights n November, it's a two week extension from the summer timetable. After that it's being suspended until there are some leftover passengers from other airlines Air Serbia can carry, that is around the Christmas holidays.
DeleteIf I remember correctly Larnaca was completely seasonal (as in no flight during the winter) in 2015-16. Then it returned for the whole of winter last year.
DeleteAnd now it's on and off which is even worse. I mean, they have free aircraft, why can't they just introduce one weekly flight with normal times for O&D passengers like Wizz Air does.
DeleteMind you, in winter W6 has around 150 passengers per flight to LCA. The market is there, Air Serbia just doesn't know how to attract it.
Normal times for you is not normal times for everybody.
DeleteHmm so a departure time at 07.45 like TLV is not a normal time for everyone who is considered O&D? I highly doubt that.
DeleteDon't think they can compete effectively for O&D against Wizz Air.
DeleteOf course they can. Wizz Air is expensive on the route and offers an inferior product compared to Air Serbia. Also, outside of the busy periods Air Serbia has decent fares, around 17.000 Dinars.
DeleteOn top of that, by having decent hours they could also attract some Romanian passengers from Timisoara.
Like I said, there is room for them but in the end they won't do anything about it.
Wizz Air reduce Larnaca from 2pw to 1pw during winter season. If there is demand they will stay at 2pw.
Deletei would say it is not sustainable for JU to compete with likes of W6 who have half their CASK.
Deletewhen both were flying to larnaca outside of the season, prices were lower. now when W6 has monopoly, prices are, of course, higher.
again, on short hauls product difference gives little value, especially with the latest JU downgrades.
It's not being reduced, it was always one weekly.
DeleteJU has transfers and a smaller plane, it could work.
are we talking here about sending atr on 1,550+km, 3 hour journey?
DeleteWho mentioned Atrs?
DeleteAny time between 07AM and midnight is 'normal', not just 8AM.
Delete@nemjee
Deletei thought "smaller plane" was for inside JU fleet, but you were comparing JU fleet with w6 fleet.
anyhow, that one didn't work already, and it was probably one of the first routes to be cut down, so it was probably one of the worst performers
Petar but did the route fail because of the market or because the airline didn't manage to capture a share of it?
DeleteThe route fail because of selfish passengers like you who want to have a business schedule, catering and flexibility all that for 100 Eur. one-way. Face the truth Nemjee.
DeleteAnd what truth is that? That there is no market at an airport that had almost 30% growth this year? That point to point should pay €370 for the privilege of flying on those uncomfortable new seats in the middle of the night?
DeleteMy point is that if JU added at least one morning departure with the same times as TLV its overall performance in Cyprus would have been much better. Not only would it finally offer convenient times for both p2p but also for passengers from JFK and those connecting on the afternoon wave.
I always fly on JU because of flexibility but I see the difference in loads between them and Wizz. In September Wizz was packed while JU had much, much weaker loads, at least from what I heard at Amathus.
Admin, how comes that Istanbul is not on list with 7pw reduction. They had Istanbul almost all winter last year (till middle of March, terminated route just 10 days prior to summer schedule), didn't they?
ReplyDeleteIstanbul 7pw reduction should be also here.
they seem to have added it now.
Delete"Excellent" air serbia ! You do consider the huge Greek market in USA ( 3 millions ) .Only 9 connections throughout the winter . Welldone ! PS : I'm Greek , not the how you call it hater , just my complain .
ReplyDeleteThe convinient time connection from ATH to JFK throughout the winter are just 7 not 9 ,even worst .
DeleteAnd ATH is not even option via BEG as they have nonstop 1st class Emirates flights ATH-JFK.
DeleteEmirates B777 economy is avarage. Food is horrible and service is avarage, seating extremely cramped. Only thing that sets them apart is the Ice entertainment which really is the best in the sky.
DeleteHow many times are you used to fly Emirates?
DeleteA lot so I speak from experience unlike most people on here. If you don't trust me book their Dubai-Melbourne flight, select the seat in the middle of economy with their 'world class' 3-4-3 configuration and tell me how you like it. A380 is a different story and much better in economy in terms of seating. Crew is nothing special, especially the Eastern European crew members. I am talking here about economy class, not their premium cabins where they can be considered world class but even that's a strech in business with still 2-3-2 configuration in the B777
DeleteSo, by this logic potential Athens passengers would use Air Serbia via Belgrade instead of crappy Emirates non stop flights as Air Serbia service is superior to Emirates.
DeleteLOL! LOL! LOL!
Where did I mention Air Serbia? I was responding to the point of Emirates being 'world class'. As for Air Serbia, I have never flown them so I would not know but even if they were the best in the world, making a stop when you have nonstop flights make little sense. I suggest you read what I wrote and not put words into my mouth.
DeleteAnon 1:55,
DeleteTo many other people, going one-stop with the convenient connection time is worth the trouble if the price difference is significant enough.
Also, when I fly TATL I actually prefer stop in LHR or AMS, just to have a break in between, stretch my legs etc. 10 hour flight in economy when you are 196cm tall is not fun
Me too, being 188 cm tall.
DeleteAnd that is why you will fky to Belgrade one and half hour to have same distance to JFK like from ATH.
DeleteLOL
Germany flights seem to have held up ok considering Air Berlin will disappear this winter.
ReplyDeleteLet's see if they don't decrease frequencies mid-way through winter.
DeleteKeep in mind that Wizz Air also introduced new flights to the German market. Interestingly it is them that failed. Nuremberg will be seasonal.
DeleteJU should be very worried about Eurowings. When they get even more planes from Air Berlin you can bet they will be introducing flights to BEG.
DeleteWhat more is left in Germany? Pretty much everything is covered.
DeleteAnon @10:36
DeleteWhere did you get information that NUE will be seasonal to BEG?
Thank you.
http://www.exyuaviation.com/2017/08/wizz-air-to-end-belgrade-nuremberg-route.html
DeleteExactly. It means they stop flying permanently to NUE and not only in winter season.
DeleteWizz Air will stop flying to Nuremberg after November, 10th and will resume flying to Nuremberg on March, 26th next year. Just go to their site and try to book a flight for that date.
Deletewhat's the point of flying empty. Better to have fewer frequencies and more bums on seats.
ReplyDeleteI'm SHOCKED they're reducing OTP!! Such a huge market. Seems SOF and SKP are performing well though.
ReplyDeleteAt the same time TAROM is increasing BEG. Although they do fly the ATR42 on the route.
DeleteRO will operate 8 weekly flights on the AT4, same as last year.
DeleteThey should have extended Split to year round. Also next summer they could consider Madrid maybe.
ReplyDeleteSplit could work 2 p/w during winter on the ATR I think.
Deleteyes..and DBV as well 2/wk
DeleteI think MAD would not work...Spanair tried MAD and BCN and actually only BCN was successful.
DeleteThere is also a fact that Vueling flies only to BCN in season showing there is market to Barcelona but unfortunately not to MAD
I am also surprised to see SPU still seasonal. I am sure there is definately a market for 3 x per week on the ATR.
DeleteAustrian tries VIE, but after that they made it seasonal.
DeleteEurowings tries MUC but they cancel it for this winter
Lufthansa tries FRA but they made it seasonal.
EasyJet has 18 routes, but not a one all year.
Croatia make 50% cuts in capacity on winter to SPU.
And Air Serbia would be successful on BEG-SPU route during winter.
It's interesting how Scandinavia has never really worked outside the peak summer and holiday Christmas periods. This summer they did particularly well on some Scandinavian routes because a lot of connecting traffic from Canada.
ReplyDeleteIt's just diaspora. The weekend travelers (and there are surprisingly quite a lot from that region) use Wizz Air and Norwegian Air Shuttle. Air Serbia has to compete against both.
DeleteLots of people used CPH as a transfer point from YYZ
DeleteCopenhagen is a nice airport.
Deleteim suprised.. i knoow air canada flies to CPH with 787 but wait times were horible when i looked last time.. maybe ill check again.. but ZHR is always best for me.. AC and JU.
Deleteim suprised.. i knoow air canada flies to CPH with 787 but wait times were horible when i looked last time.. maybe ill check again.. but ZHR is always best for me.. AC and JU.
DeleteSo real reduction is 31 flights (including Larnaca, Hamburg and St. Petersburg that flies only one month during New Year).
ReplyDeleteThat is 12,4% less flights than last year (summer deduction was 11,6%)
Last winter JU had huge cuts, 35 flights less. Together that is 66 flights less than winter 2015/16
Air Serbia should think about changing wave system during winter.
Actually, this is the same schedule as last year just now they made it official... no additional changes like last year.
DeleteNo, it is not. It is 31 flights less. Some routes even terminate like Istanbul and Abu Dhabi. Some seasonal.
DeleteEven with extra cuts last February it is not even near to reduction they have now.
And can you be sure they will not reduce this planed time-table in February on top of those cuts, like they did last two winters?
If you compare planned schedule for next winter to accomplished volume of flights during last winter season there are exactly 6,5% less regular flights.
DeleteNo, I compare time-tables. One can not say if Air Serbia will have more cuts on presented time table this winter like they did last or year before.
DeleteSo, you can just compare what they plan. And during February we will see will they have more cancellation on this plan they published.
They must be doing well in Prague to keep 10 p/w. Surprised CSA hasn't considered returning.
ReplyDeleteLet's see how long that last. Hainan now flies 2x per week and they have significantly reduced fares BEG-PRG-BEG. Just over 100 euros return ticket. They are cheaper than Air Serbia plus they fly the A330 compared to the ATR.
DeleteHainan will go nonstop from next summer. But for everyone going to Prague this winter they should really use this flight. Good price plus a chance to try out their A330.
DeleteTrust me CSA won't come. They are even more hopeless than our national airlines.
DeleteMoraju otvoriti jos neku liniju zimi sa A330 barem dva puta nedeljno zimi, a da mogu da je lete leti sa A320 dva puta dnevno. Ocigledno je da imauju linije koje su cisto za gastose kao Skandinavija i linije koje imaju dosta putnika i zimi amsterdam pariz. Razdvojiti putnike na za hub i na takve holiday putnike pa za hub ici na svaki aerodrom dva puta na dan, a za ove druge aerodrome ne leteti svaki dan. Samo tako mogu da se izbore sa Wizzom i RA kada dodje.
ReplyDeleteCharters might save them, they had a crazy charter summer season, lets hope that continues in winter.
ReplyDelete+1
DeleteAnyone knows how is the route Beograd _ Beirut (and vice versa) performing? Average pax load?
ReplyDeleteDisappointing but as someone said this is reality of this market.
ReplyDeleteInteresting. That’s a lot of red. Why bother keeping Banja Luka and New York? Disappointing but a reality check I guess
ReplyDeleteASL prednosti:
ReplyDelete+ niska cena rada u SRB
+ zakonodavstvo koje im trenutno ide na ruku
+ solidna flota ATR, A319 i A320 koja bi teoretski omogucila rast i lagani prelazak ka A320/321 floti
+ odsustvo odgovarajucih rivala na Balkanu
ASL mane
- preveliki broj zaposlenih
- promasen poslovni model od starta
- politika
- Etihad
Jos pre 4 godine sam govorio da ako sa svih svojih destinacija ne mogu da skupe dovoljno putnika da napune makar jedan A330 dnevno za AUH saradnja sa ETD i cela ta alijansa je osudjena na propast. Na zalost ni A319 nisu mogli da iskoriste. Sada nam samo ostaje da gledamo malo dalje ka istoku i nadamo se nekom novom pocetku na pravim osnovama ako zelimo da i dalje imamo nacionalnu aviokompaniju.
Mani je to super kako su sad svi još prije četiti godine sve znali. Ali eto, nisu ništa govorili.
DeleteSto se tice mana:
Delete- Air Serbia u ovom obliku ne bi postojala bez Etihada (o razlozima i uzrocima ne diskutujem sad)
- Za zaposlene su sami krivi
- Promasen poslovni model...To se mozda vidi sada, ali u vreme kad je sve kretalo okolnosti su bile drugacije i na primer svojom premijum biznis klasom kao i pocetnom economy uslugom JU je privukao puno pozitivnih komentara. Problem je u tome sto nije dovoljno dugo bilo sredstava koji bi podrzali takav poslovni model koji bi po mom skromnom misljenju, da je potrajao uz manji broj zaposlenih, mogao omoguciti nedohvatljiv primat na ex-yu a i malo sirem podrucju.
- politika...Sigurno da je bilo mesanja politike i tu prevashodno svi mislimo na JFK i gubitke koje ta linija pravi.
Sa druge strane posmatrano - ako HU napravi code share sa JU onda ce uticaj politike tu ispasti pozitivan.
Bilo je pre četiri godine ljudi koji su argumentovano kritikovali kako se ceo projekat radi s mene pa na uštap, ali poznato je koliko se argumentovana kritika ceni.
DeleteDa model poslovanja je privukao pozitivne komentare i tu se priča završila pošto novca da se ta priča finansira i dalje očigledno više nema. Pozitivni komentari su lepi ali sve se na kraju svodi, počinje i završava na novcu.
Sa ovakvim redom letenja ulaziti u godinu u kojoj se ocekuje dolazak prvih NEO A320 je kranje upitno.
Pocetna politika i sama finansijska inekcija koja joj je prethodila je imala za cilj da putnicima priblizi Air Serbiu kao novu privlacnu avio kompaniju koja po svojoj usluzi odskace u regionu i da se miljama distancira od uzasnog imidza Jat Airways-a.
DeleteSamim razvojem poslovanja je bilo planirano da se tekucim poslovanjem omoguci nastavak takve usluge ali avio okolnosti kao i problem adekvatnog menadzmenta su doveli do ovoga sto sam imamo.
Sto se tice A320NEO sam JU CEO je izrazio sumnju u njihov dolazak,dakle meni je jasno da od toga bar sledece godine nece biti nista.
I hope Dane and his team accumulate enough experience by summer so they can be wiser when the right time comes. Lol
ReplyDeleteEtihad is in real trouble right now, don't think AS will get these A320 NEOs they suppose to receive from Etihad. As things stand, Etihad might cut its losses next year, and end its cooperation with Air Serbia, and its investment interest in that airline.
ReplyDeleteEtihad's only option to save face regarding aviation investments in Europe is Air Serbia. With minimal commitment (compared to AB & AZ) over the next couple of years they can build Air Serbia into true success story.
DeleteSkytrax ratings for JU used to be mostly 10/10 until recently, now it is mostly 1/10 ...this says it all about the current level of service they provide. Fairytales from Kondic and Mali are over...
ReplyDeleteRyanair and other similar airlines are 1/10, but are extremely profitable... so i don't think they give a shit about what their skytrax ratings are - and in the case of Ryanair, they care even less about what their customers think of them - their prime concern is their profitability and share price...
DeleteIn the end, there is no point in being boutique, premium or in having 10/10 ratings, if you are unprofitable
JAT je bio zakon za ove novokomponovane sarlatane ( sve dok ga politicari nisu srozali).
ReplyDeleteAko mislis na JAT, do 1991, a ne na Jat nakon 1995, potpuno si u pravu. Pogotovo period od 1985 do 1991 u kom je JAT sve vise postajao svetski igrac i vrlo respektabilna kompanija. I sa ponosom svuda i svima govorim da sam radio za JAT, do 1991. Jos uvek sam u avijaciji, danas radim za holandsku kompaniju i sve ono dobro sto i danas radim je ono sto sam naucio, i radio, u Jugoslovenskom Aero Transportu. A sve ovo sto imamo danas u ex-yu je zali boze mastila. Ili tastature. A svakako reci, i vremena. Prijatno svima!
DeleteJadni su ovi sarlatani koji ne primecuju da su drzave 1985 i 2017 potpuno razlicite velicine, geografije, broja stanovnika, broja aerodroma, stanja na trzistu, konkurencije itd.
DeleteI 1985 I 2017 drzave nastale iz ex-yu imale su istu velicinu, isti +/- 10% broj stanovnika, bile i ostale na istoj geografskoj lokaciji, imaju priblizno isti broj aerodroma, u stanju na trzistu potraznja je veca, a i onda, i danas, postojala je strana konkurencija nad kojom je ondasnji JAT uglavnom dominirao, ili barem bio ravnopravan, a danasnje kompanijice ne mogu ni da primirisu. Za sve to kriva je politika, i to sam potvrdio u odgovoru na originalni post. A jadni su samo oni sarlatani koji ne shvacaju da je Emirates u ono doba imao 8 aviona u floti, a JAT 35, ili da je Austrian imao flotu iskljucivo DC9, do je JAT leteo na 5 kontinenata. Pametnome dosta. Nazalost, danas na svim nivoima oni koji imaju manje informacija i rezona, one sa vise toga nazivaju sarlatanima. Prijatno jos jednom!
DeleteNisi ti glup, ti zloupotrebljavas cinjenice: Er Srbija ne moze da leti ZAG-DBV ili LJU-JFK a JAT je mogao. Kakve veze ima sto je zbir povrsina ex yu zemalja isti kao sto je nekad bila povrsina Jugoslavije kad su pravila igre potpuno drugacija?
DeleteJAT je leteo za Australiju a danas ni jedna Lufthansa ne moze upravo zbog EK i QR. JAT je bio igracka prestiza komunistickog marsala, miljenika Zapada, a Er Srbija do 2016 nije imala dozvolu da leti za Ameriku.
I tako dalje, sve to znas ali izvrces cinjenice da bi ti bila kriva Er Srbija u odnosu na JAT. Dno.
1. Would be better that ASL signs contract with American or Delta to start flying to BEG, maybe 2 or 3 weekly, like they did with AtlasGlobal? Before signing contract with KK, IST was extremely unprofitable, and now both are generating money from that flight. Political idea will survive and exist l, to connect USA and Serbia, and, I think, ASL wiil be, at least, losing less money than today. I think it is much better solution than existing one, but maybe I am not right. I would like to hear others.
ReplyDelete2. I think ASL needs cooperation with HU on their flights to Beijing. It is under must, codeshare with them, in my opinion.
3. It will be nice that BEG become connected to more destinations in southern Europe, Iberia or Mediterranean, on example Lisbon, Madrid, Nice. ASL or W6 or somebody third, does not matter.
And Delta and American are just waiting to be called? You do know that they don't fly to much bigger airports in Europe?
DeleteYes, I understand. Can anything be done on this matter? I thought Serbian goverment can lead negotiations with Americans. I have just thought too that existing solution is far away from the best, how it seems to me. You surely know much better.
DeleteMaybe 757 :)
DeleteIs true that Air Serbia need new routes to Madrid and Barcelona when the new fleet A320NEO enters in service
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ReplyDeletePa u čemu je problem!? Povećali su broj sedišta u avionu i sada isti broj putnika mogu prevesti sa manje letova. Izgubiće neke tranzitne putnike, ali verovatno je to manji trošak od troška jednog nedeljnog leta...
ReplyDeleteIs true that Madrid and Barcelona need a direct route to Belgrade this year when the fleet A320NEO will enter in service
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