Croatia plans to secure additional long haul services after American Airlines announced plans to launch seasonal operations from the United States to Dubrovnik next summer, which will mark the resumption of flights between the two countries after 28 years. The Croatian Minister for Tourism, Gari Capelli said, "This year, a total of seventy new routes were launched to Croatia. This is the result of our project aimed at positioning the country as an airline destination, for which the Ministry and the Croatian National Tourist Board have allocated four million euros. This has allowed us to extend our reach beyond traditional foreign markets to far-away markets such as China, South Korea and the United States". Next week, Korean Air will commence scheduled services between Seoul and Zagreb, while earlier this summer Air Canada Rouge launched seasonal operations from Toronto to the Croatian capital.
Zagreb Airport's General Manager, Jacques Feron, said recently, "Next year we hope for flights between Montreal and Zagreb to be launched. We also anticipate to finalise talks for the arrival of a Chinese carrier because Croatia is becoming of growing interest to Chinese tourists". The Croatian Prime Minister, Andrej Plenković, added, "We are attempting to reach an agreement over nonstop flights between Zagreb, Beijing and Shanghai". Furthermore, the Croatian government has authorised the Minister for Sea, Transport and Infrastructure to commence talks with his Japanese counterpart over the establishment of scheduled flights between Zagreb and Tokyo. All Nippon Airways (ANA) has maintained summer charters from Japan to Dubrovnik for several years.
The Minister for Tourism noted that, "Flights are crucial for boosting visitor numbers, especially from far-away markets. Several years ago, a very small number of holidaymakers arrived to Croatia by plane. Today, that figure is constantly growing. According to our estimates, it will amount to some 20% in 2018". The budget for the project entitled "Positioning Croatia as an airline destination" will be doubled next year. "The project aims to attract carriers from far-away markets. The Ministry's strategic goal is to develop Croatia as a destination which is accessible to various airlines, particularly before and after the height of the summer season", Mr Cappelli said.
US flights to ZAG next up.
ReplyDeleteThey have been delaying flights from Zagreb to US each year. Hope it finally happens in 2019!
DeleteSome things simply take time.
DeleteNext year will be the 10 year anniversary since they announced that they started talks for these flights.
DeleteThere are already flights to the US from Zagreb via MUC, VIE, BEG, IST...
DeleteThere aren't any nonstop flights, which is what we are discussing.
DeleteThere isn't a big market to the US from Zagreb outside the peak season and that is very well covered via aforementioned hubs. Besides, the market in ZAG being extremely low-yielding that is why AA went for Dubrovnik where most Americans fly.
DeleteYes but that's what most have been writing on here for ages but we were always called 'ljubomorne komsije' even when Croats wrote it. Matter of fact is that in the future the coast will dominate over ZAG.
DeleteThe only way for this to happen is for OU to launch these flights themselves pretty much just like JU did. There isn't any American airline that's gonna fly year-round to Zagreb while in the summer coast makes more sense. The only thing that could happen is some AC Rouge or some other shadowy/low-cost airline flying to ZAG during three busy months to take the cream.
DeleteDelta is interested with flights to ZAG, but they are still being careful (seasonality is the main issue). Possible destinations are JFK or ATL.
DeleteOnly seasonal.
DeleteIt is for good reason flights are being started as seasonal. because demand is seasonal. So if OU would open year round long haul services, they would pretty much face the same dilemma and figures JU is during the slow months.
DeleteI do not get the frantic discussions with SEASONALITY- If damand is seasonal, you serve it seasonally- maybe supermarkets could also consider selling Christmas bread in the summer months- then we could claim how inferior the product is, because people want it only in a certain season....
DeleteOU should launch those flights and that's it. There is no point waiting for others to do it when you can do it yourself. Either that or there is really no market, period.
DeleteUS Carriers fly year round only to major Hubs in the EU, London, Paris, Rome, Frankfurt, Munich, Amsterdam. Copenhagen and one or two more.
DeleteSeasonal US flights to Zagreb are very likely, how soon, we'll see, I said before it won't happen before 2020, but I could be wrong. 475000 US visitors to Croatia last year, 240 000 US Visitors to Zagreb, yes Zagreb is most popular destination for US Visitors who spent 320 000 nights in Zagreb last year.
Some guy on other forum has some contacts with Zagreb airport and he is saying there's a major surprise in place for Zagreb, should be announced soon, either this month or sometimes next.
Chinese Carrier is coming to Zagreb next year, which one we'll see, there's speculation it would be china southern, however Hainan is also likely. ANA is also looking to start Zagreb service, however we won't know before few months they actually start the service.
Also, there's talk of South Eastern Asian airline coming to Zagreb soon, which one, we don't know yet, speculations are rife on forums, and this blog said something about Air AsiaX.
However, potentially, once ANA, China Eastern/Hainan, have initiated their operations to Zagreb, further down the line, i see potential for more carriers to come to Zagreb from the region. Cathy Pacific, Singapore Airlines, Thai Airways or some other carrier.
With Emirates, Air Canada and now Korean in Zagreb, i won't discount possibility of other carriers coming in. US Carrier that could come to Zagreb are either Delta or American, sadly United doesn't fly outside major EU hubs, they fly yo 8-10 major hubs in the EU and that is it. American and Delta run only seasonal service, if they do come to Zagreb it'll be a seasonal service from early May to late October.
Last year, Cratia was visited according to e-visitor,
By:
475 000 US visitors
142 000 Canadian visitors
444 000 Korean visitors
160 000 Chinese Visitors
126 000 Taiwanese visitors
37 000 HK Visitors
142 000 Japanese visitors
32 000 Singaporean visitors
57 000 Indian visitors
210 000 Australian visitors
64 000 Brazilian visitors
35 000 NZ visitors
30 000 Thai visitors
42 000 Argentine visitors
60 000 visitors from South america
170 000 from far east Asia
The potential for business and travel in future, is boundless.
Nice figures! Do you if the airport management studied the possibility of flights to Singapore? I mean it's more than obvious that Zagreb wants to attract more legacy carriers.
DeleteI am asking you because 32 thousand from Singapore is just crazy.
Scoot and then Singapore Airlines upgrade? What do you think?
@Anonymous22 August 2018 at 23:03
Delete30 000 Thai visitors is more impressive, cause Thailand has population of 70 million, imagine this number grows in to 200-300 000 down the line. Singapore is exciting, and would be cool to have direct links with the city state, but i don't expect more than 50 000 visitors from Singapore to Croatia any time soon. Same goes with Hong Kong, we could hope to see double figures from HK and Singapore in short-to medium term, now that Croatia is so well recognized, World Cup and all, things could go well for Croatia in coming years, really well.
Would love to see Singapore airlines or Thai airlines in Zagreb, however it won't happen soon, numbers need to go up for both for this to happen, but there's speculations, and they say where's smoke...
'The budget for the project entitled "Positioning Croatia as an airline destination" will be doubled next year. "The project aims to attract carriers from far-away markets.'
ReplyDeleteSo what do they do with this budget? ;)
Flights to Dubrovnik make a lot of sense as seats will be filled by tourist agencies so it's a relatievly safe business adventure. Flying to ZAG would be more tricky as they would have to compete with other airlines and hubs for the traffic.
Also interesting that this massive AA expansion has come at the expense of major cuts elsewhere. Let's see what sticks and what doesn't.
What MASSIVE expansion? For next summer they added in Europe Bologna, Berlin and Dubrovnik.
DeleteFour new destinations in Europe (you forgot Edinburgh) is a big expansion for a US airline.
DeleteThey are also adding Phoenix-London which will be daily in addition to ORD-ATH and PHL-MUC.
DeleteThey did cut a lot of flights like JFK-DUB, ORD-China, PHL-FRA...
Of all the new AA routes, Dubrovnik has the lowest frequency. Most other flights are daily, Bologna and Berlin are 4x a week and DBV only 3x. Season is also shortest for DBV together with TXL and BLQ, as other new routes like ATH, LHR, MUC and EDI have longer seasonal operations.
DeleteAn 15:01
DeleteDoes it hurt you that your airport is not receiving AA at all? Or is it just pure JEALOUSY?
Crapload of AA at my airport, I don't live in ex yu. Just pointing out the fact DBV is the weakest addition. Any fact to counter that?
DeleteDBV is the weakest and, also, the smallest addition. 3 pw is a nice (careful) start by AA. Good luck!
DeleteAn. 15.01
DeleteWe can put it this way, too :
Bologna, city of almost milion, in a country of 70 milion, 4 per week
Berlin, city of almost 3 milion, capital of country of 90 milion, 4 per week
Dubrovnik, village of 40000 in Balkans country of 4 milion, 3 per week.
How does it sound now ?
lol dubrovnik is not a village.
DeleteCity size does not matter. Dhaka is a city of 18 million without nonstop flight to the USA. Monte Carlo is smaller than Dubrovnik but has more visitors from the USA. Good for Dubrovnik to get that service, but the fact remains: it is the weakest addition in this series. If you look at well known airliners web site, most people are surprised with AA selecting DBV and people think it has to do with some kind of financial support:
Delete"My guess is that both DBV and BLQ have some sort of subsidy deal or bulk seat purchase (cruise ships for DBV) supporting the flights". Another comment: bold move, "or Croatia's paying through the a$$ for it."
IBZ has a population of barely 150 000 but still airport has 8 million pax which is BEG + SPU together (2017 figures).
DeleteWith this logic we can add KEF, PMI, RIX and so on with millions and millions of traffic. Not a good example.
https://www.thedubrovniktimes.com/news/dubrovnik/item/5044-video-star-wars-plane-lands-at-dubrovnik-airport
ReplyDeleteIt's good that they have the initiative
ReplyDeleteCroatia is doing a really good job here!
ReplyDeleteI almost 2 years EK, AC, AA (DBV) and KE flights are secured. There is TS to YYZ, possibly YUL in next year.
I am sure, China and US flights to ZAG are very close.
True. Nice growth in international carriers.
DeleteGood luck!
ReplyDeleteNext one is supposed to be Chengdu in China to ZAG (Sichuan Airlines) with A350.
ReplyDeleteChengdu would be good actually. A mammoth new second airport is being constructed outside Chengdu and it is slated to become one of the major intercontinental airports for China. I flew Sichuan Airlines last year on a Chinese domestic flight and they exceeded my expectations!
DeleteGreat news. I think there is a lot of potential from these markets, especially China and I do not understand why more hasn't been done to secure them until now.
ReplyDeleteAgree. Politicians have been talking about China-Croatia flights since 2014 and nothing has happened yet. It's time for some concrete action.
DeleteWhat about environment and protecting nature? As I know Croatia did't realise many envitonmental projects and it was warned by Brussels. Such boom and massive tourism means destruction of coast and islands. Look, what happened in Thailand. As Purger says, "ova svadba bo koštala."
ReplyDeleteTotally agree, but this is obviously a problem not only related to any particular country.
DeleteCrazy capitalism has no regards to environment. Probabbly some destruction of Croatian coast is expected in close future. I hope not in such manner as in Thailand.
DeleteThe best addition for ZAG in the United States would be United to EWR. Being a Star Alliance carrier, Croatia Airlines could help them connecting passengers from ZAG to SPU and DBV and to other ex-Yu destinations.
ReplyDeleteUnited doesn't fly beyond major hubs, ever!!!
DeleteBrussels, Paris, Berlin, Frankfurt, Munich, Milan, Dublin, Rome, Lisbon, Barcelona, Madrid, Zürich, Edinburgh, London and Manchester. they have Seasonal to Porto and Geneva.
Thy have stopped flights to Stockholm and Copenhagen in 2017. These are two massive airports, with nearly 30 million pax each.
United flies to Geneva and Brussels for obvious reasons, same goes for Manchester and Edinburgh.
All other airports are massive hubs in Europe.
Bravo Hrvatska!
ReplyDeleteI wonder who will be affected the most here. Probably Iberia and LH Group.
ReplyDeleteI would say LH group first and foremost.
DeleteAffected? You DO realize that Croatia will have 20 million arrivals this year, while 10 years ago it was 5 million? Now you can figure out who will be affected or if the Market will simply further grow.
DeleteWell we will have to wait and see. We have been hearing many speculation and prediction coming from posters on here but not many have materialized. I am still waiting on that promotional EK A380 to ZAG or for QR to start sending its Dreamliner.
DeleteJust because you want something to happen doesn't mean it will.
Does it matter? ZAG has QR twice daily year round and EK/FZ. You really take these comments of aircraft types seriously? If demand grows the airlines will respond, if not - then not. It took EK 20 years to change to A380 in Hamburg. So you should not take your every comment or wish of aviation enthusiast here as set. Use your brain and enjoy aviation :)
DeleteI wish to see an A380 in ZAD- so you may now comment ;)
There was no A380 20 years ago.
DeleteIt's a matter of how unrealistic some people are on here, like the guys saying DL is considering ATL ZAG flights.
DeleteYes- it is a legitimate wish - like I wish some Chinese carriers flying from BEG to PVG. Until it happens, it remains a wish. Same with ZAG flight to anywhere.
Delete"It's a matter of how unrealistic some people are on here, like the guys saying DL is considering ATL ZAG flights."
DeleteSorry, why do you think DL flying to ZAG is unrealistic?
How do you know it is unrealistic? You know that it is a wish, but claiming it is UNREALISTIC, is the same as claiming the ARE CONSIDERING:
DeleteDude he wrote DL would fly to ZAG from ATL. Now if that's not unrealistic then I don't know what is.
DeleteIt is not unrealistic at all- it is more unlikely to happen in the near future.
DeleteFirst, I'm not saying ATL - ZAG by DL will happen - sooner, later or at all.
DeleteBut : ZAG is missing link to the US and working to get it
ATL is the biggest airport in the US and the HUB for one of the USB4 - DL
DL is flying from ATL to airports like Stuttgart and Venice
So , everyone can do his or her maths whether is it absolutely impossible, highly unlikely or highly likely to happen
DL is SkyTeam and ZAG is LH Germany and Star Alliance airport. Lufti will never allow DL to approach ZAG. Also LOT are considering buying OU so things are getting pretty interesting.
DeleteNo wonder why OK ditched ZAG, because it was SkyTeam - it's all about aviation star wars.
@Anonymous22 August 2018 at 22:38
DeleteStop that nonsense, Zagreb is a destination not an airline. Wtih your logic, Korean Air wouldn't fly to Zagreb , Emirates, KLM, Air France, Iberia, ... I mean are you for real...
You know what I mean about DL.
DeleteIf DL launches flights from ATL then it means it wants to conquer US market. As you know OU is basically part of LH especially on MUC and FRA routes, not to mention the coast...they will put pressure on airport not to allow SkyTeam expansion with AF and KL.
Trust me, it's all studied and LH are not stupid...
@Anonymous22 August 2018 at 23:10
DeleteAirport is owned by the state, and manged by the French, who have close links to Air France, you see where this is going.... State itself wants NA flights. Trust me on this, OU has little say what Zagreb airport does, and which airlines land at it.
If you said Croatian state is putting pressure on the management, yes that would hold some water, but no, the government wants US carriers in Zagreb, problem was and still is, lack of interest from US carriers. Dubrovnik got the doors open, now things can go smoother, if AA does well in Dubrovnik next year and year after that, they might add Zagreb in 2021 or 2022.
However, Delta is more likely to come before that, Delta has interest in Zagreb, they took over Pan Am and knew Zagreb was really good destination. They might look at figures now that AA has started flying to Dubrovnik and decide on it. 570 000 US visitors to Croatia this year, is quite a big incentive to come, 250 000 US Visitors to Zagreb, 320 000 nights generated by US visitors last year, these are all nice numbers, and Zagreb is also home to one of the NATOs main security agencies specializing in strategy and war planning.
Building stronger trade/commercial links is also important, Croatian-US economic interest balance is around $5.5 billion, normally when that figures is around $10 billion, US carriers tend to have direct links, so halfway there.
Well done. It seems the Croatian government is really trying to attract as many new customers as possible.
ReplyDeleteWhen will AA start selling tickets to DBV?
ReplyDeleteIn one week
Delete27.8.18
DeleteGreat, thanks
DeleteI'm quite interested to see what the fares will be like.
DeleteThere are already flights to the US from Zagreb via MUC, VIE, BEG, IST...
ReplyDeleteCopenhagen, Stockholm, London, Paris, Barcelona, Madrid, Frankfurt, Rome, Milan, Oslo, Helsinki, Dubai, soon via Seoul and even Beijing/Shanghai.
DeleteI know you're trolling, but you need to be trolled back.
Beijing / Shanghai - that was funny
DeleteWill OU codeshare on these flights to Philadelphia by selling ZAG-DBV-PHI?
ReplyDeleteUnlikely, as OU has code share agreement with the United. London - Zagreb route is very popular with US visitors to Croatia who use United/OU code-share to visit the country.
DeleteThis is not very good news for LH because of the ZAG-MUC and ZAG-FRA feeder flights and also will hurt the BEG-JFK route, where transit traffic will be reduced too.
ReplyDeleteBEG receives transit from TIA, TIV, TGD, SPU, ZAG, LJU, SJJ...to name a few. How a three weekly to DBV (which is in summer mostly filled with higher yielding O&D pax with A320s full) will seriously hurt BEG-JFK route?
DeleteThe most interesting is that those who're saying JFK-BEG will be affected by some sparrow peeing on Bane Jelacica square are the same ones that says that nobody from Croatia connects via BEG to New York.
So make your choice.
+1
DeleteVIE-ZAG will be affected also.
The biggest losers will be LH, OS and JU.
Of course, nothing can happen without somehow affecting JU. Newsflash, JU's DBV flights don't really connect onto JFK.
DeleteYes, they do.
DeleteAnd how did you come to that conclusion exactly?
DeleteFlights from Dubrovnik to Belgrade arrive at 16.15. Departure from Belgrade to New York is at 07.20 and 13.15.
So what was the point of your lie?
Thr price..JU has the lowest price and it's worth the stopover...
DeleteJU isn't after DBV passengers to New York so don't see what you are going on about.
Delete@Anonymous22 August 2018 at 09:30
DeleteLufthansa group won't be affected by few American airlines flights to Dubrovnik, considering 570 000 US visitors are projected to visit Croatia, based on first 6 months data. At most AA is offering 12 000 seats over 5 month period to Croatia, Lufthansa alone had over 500 000 passengers to Croatia last year.
Transfers via Belgrade are minimal from Croatia, 2-3 years ago, you had some traffic, these days, all melted away. Also, there are no flights to Dubrovnik from Belgrade, so to get to Belgrade person in Dubrovnik needs to fly to Zagreb with OU and than take a flight to Belgrade and again another flight to JFK, however OU had direct flights out of Dubrovnik to Frankfurt and Munich, Paris and Amsterdam, do you see where this is going...
Can you please explain your statement that there are no flights from DBV to BEG?
DeleteJU flies to ZAG (year round), DBV, SPU and PUY (all in season) in Croatia
I think Croatia Airlines will eventually launch long haul flights.
ReplyDeleteLOL
DeleteYes but before that they need to do a few things:
Delete1. get enough mechanics to service their planes.
2. create a normal relationship with its employees.
3. get the capital to fund this adventure by selling the remainder LHR slots and its engines.
Did LOT start the talks with the Government about taking over OU?
DeleteIt's an expensive adventure anon 9.39
Delete@Anonymous22 August 2018 at 09:39
DeletePossibly only if OU can afford A321 NEO LR, these are now certified for transatlantic flights, A321 NEO LR configured with 192 seats has range of 4350 NM or 8000km. From Zagreb to NYC is 6900km, so direct flights are a possibility, potentially flights via Dublin would also be possible, pick up business travelers there and and back. However, for that OU needs to sort its finances and new management.
4 mil eur is a lot. If each long haul destination received one million it would help airlines greatly. For example if AA received 1 million to start Dubrovnik that would be over 100 eur per each incoming passenger.
ReplyDeleteCroatia does not give airlines money to fly there. Market is major and can attract many premium passengers.
DeleteDid you read the text? It says ministry used 4 mil eur for attracting the airlines.
DeleteSo in the end they are subsidizing airlines?
DeleteYes, with 4 million euros, hahahahaha! Are you serious, Anon 10:16?
DeleteIt's not me you should be attacking but your minister.
DeleteNo, I mean, do you really think 4 million euros is enough for attracting all the carriers? Like, you give AA 1 million to come to DBV and they will come?
DeleteIt's damn sure a decent incentive.
DeleteUhljebi su skrckali 4 milijuna jura. AA je dosao sam u DBV u pokusaju da napravi profit, jer gube novac na puno linija. Rezu te i otvaraju nove pa gde prodje prodje.
Delete"...Rezu te i otvaraju nove pa gde prodje prodje. "
DeleteI baš su se odlučili za DBV? Vjerojatno lutrijom.
Is PHL-DBV subsidised??? o_O
Delete@10:53 Verovatno ne znas nista o AA i koliko imaju letova iz svojih mnogobrojnih habova za Evropu. Pokrili su sve do Helsinkija za sezonski let za DBV imaju rezona. Sezonski ce leteti za Veneciju sa dva svoja aerodroma, ali ne lete tamo zimi.
DeleteI think they use that money to finance advertising the route. Maybe other things are included too ?
DeleteText says next year they will double the budget. With 8 million EUR you can get any airline in the world.
DeleteEK also said they got 'support' from the government so I guess same with AA. Luckily DBV is more realistic so they are only keeping summer season flights.
Delete@Q40022 August 2018 at 12:19
DeleteYes money is used exclusively to promote Croatia, no airline can be given preference or money or financial incentive. it is against EU law. All Croatia is doing is promoting Croatia at major airline and travel events, there's name for one where airline decide on new routes, forgot the name of the event, but this is one way or promoting Croatia as a destination.
Last year 2.25 million visitors outside Europe have visited Croatia, nearly 700 000 from Americas last year. This year 2.5 million visitors non-European visitors are expected to visit Croatia, in 2020, that number could exceed 3 million, easily.
I expect in 2020 800 000 US visitors and 250 000 Canadian visitors will visit Croatia, for any major US airline, well there are only 4 legacy carriers there, and only 2 fly seasonally, is a massive potential. I am sure this is sufficient incentive for most airlines to look in to establishing direct links to Croatia. Croatia will be in to 10 European destination for US visitors in 2020, ahead of Greece.
Top 10 in 2017 are. https://travel.trade.gov/outreachpages/download_data_table/2012_US_Travel_Abroad.pdf
UK - 3.2 million
France - 2.85 million
Italy - 2.55 million
Germany - 2.25 million
Spain - 2.1 million
Ireland - 1.6 million
Netherlands - 1.2 million
Switzerland - 1.0 million
Austria - 820 000
Greece - 490 000 (down from 740 000 in 2015)
Croatia - 475 000
Poland - 392 000
Russia - 366 000
Czech R - 320 000
Belgium - 310 000
Sweden - 250 000
Denmark - 210 000
Hungary 186 000 ....
Again with the statistics/predictions number carpet bombing of this blog? Jeez, hope this blog gets advertising revenue from you.
Delete"...there's name for one where airline decide on new routes, forgot the name of the event, but this is one way or promoting Croatia as a destination. "
DeleteSay no more
Dubrovnik should next try to attract Korean Air seasonally.
ReplyDeleteAs for Zagreb I think China flights are on the horizon.
Any chance Split will see long hauls?
ReplyDeleteNot with its current infrastructure.
DeleteNope. They're seeking none. They have whole different strategy compared to ZAG and DBV. Focus is on LCCs but without subsidies.
DeleteSplit Airport CEO said they are not interested in long hauls.
DeleteThat is a smart move. Focus on the basics and build number of pax up. Split area focuses on European travellers anyhow so why bother with the long haul. Those from outside Europe arrive with LCCs anyway as they're hopping throughout Europe.
DeleteKE is most likely sending A380 to ZAG around Easter 2019 :)
ReplyDeleteSure. Only problem is ZAG is not A380 accredited. In fact if you check on Airbuses website Zagreb doesn't have even accreditation to be an alternative airport for A380 in case of emergency. There you will also find a list of infrastructure requirements made by Airbus for airports to be accredited to serve the A380 and I'm sorry to say that ZAG does not meet most of them. No airport in ex-Yu does.
DeleteSo please stop with the fairytales.
https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=150399899#post150399899
DeleteYes it can, ZAG can handle the A380 after it was constructed by the Frenchies.
DeleteNo it can not. That's the problem. It's not about the terminal. It's about the runway, the taxiways, the lighting, the equipment used to serve airplanes.... Please if you are an aviation enthusiast do a bit more research. You can simply go to the Airbus website to see if the airport is accredited to handle an A380. Unfortunately, you won't find it among the 250 airports that are.
DeleteThe runway is one of the largest in the Balkans. Is it about having 2 airbridges at once? How come PRG can and ZAG cannot? Come on...
DeleteYou think you only need a long enough runway to handle an A380? Apart from not having wide enough taxiways it doesen't have the required equipment to serve an A380 for loading/offloading cargo, passengers, not enough staff to handle the plane while servicing other aircraft. ZAG also has no catering facilities for airlines although this is the smallest problem.
DeleteIs it expensive to upgrade it then?
DeleteI don't know. They said they will build an A380 gate so I assume they do plan to be A380 accessible in the future.
DeleteThanks. Would be really cool to see them arriving.
DeleteCheck this small elaboration linked above (@12:40), it's not all abt rwy and gates.
DeleteList A380 compatibility airports
Deletehttps://www.airbus.com/aircraft/passenger-aircraft/a380-family/airlines-destinations/airport-compatibility.html
KTW, RIX, MSQ and no OTP??? Whoa!
DeleteBalkan is always poor :(
@Anonymous22 August 2018 at 13:14
DeleteZagreb can handle A380, problem is leaving the terminal, the aircraft can't leave along the taxiway as old taxiway is too narrow, i men the access road is, however these will be expanded this winter, plans are afoot, to take off, A380 had to do same thing B777 does, halfway along the taxiway it moves to the main runway and does 180 turn at the bottom of the runway for take off. Airport is expand all taxiways and adding extra platforms this winter, so B777 and A380 can land and use taxiway all the way.
BTW 777 300 is almost as big as A380, http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/airliners/7/1/3/1491317.jpg?v=v40
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ab/6b/49/ab6b49f0a0241fbb68033a68d6c46ac8.png
https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1491235658951.jpg
So if Zagreb can handle B777 300ER, on a daily basis, it can handle A380,
Flights from US to ZAG would make most sense.
ReplyDeleteIf Zagreb is able to sustain 2 Canadian airlines from Toronto seasonally, then I expect they could sustain two US carriers during the summer - one to Dubrovnik, the other to Zagreb.
ReplyDeleteAre you sure about that?
DeleteYes, 570 000 US visitors in Croatia this year, expected, you think 12-20 000 seats will be very hard to fill with such numbers ????
DeleteMost likely we will see DY launching ZAG-JFK or ZAG-OAK.
ReplyDeleteOther potential candidates are
SQ ZAG-SIN.
LA ZAG-BUE - many Croatians in Argentina
The airline that's gonna luanch EZE-ZAG is not LA but LMAO.
DeleteThere is a city in Chile called Iquique where there are many Croations. You can even see the Croation flag in the downtown. I have been there a couple of years ago. And LMAO but there are 250,000 Croats in Argentina:
Deletehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_Argentines
If not LA, at least AR can try because OU doesn't have a wide body.
Mislis na Punta Arenas
DeleteDo you guys suffer from some kind of delusions? Flights to Zagreb because there are people whose great grandfathers escaped hunger in dalmatia, or the ones that came after 45 (wink, wink). 99% of them don’t know a word of croatian, and maybe travel 1-2 times in a lifetime to Europe. Aerolíneas is extremely expensive airline to fly with. Btw Norwegian did apply for a bunch of routes, none of them were in exYu. I remember seeing WAW, KBP, MOW..
DeleteSo please, hold your horses, and illusions of grandeur.
Kiss from Latin America.
great news, but i don't quite like them since streets in Dubronik will get even more crowded :/
ReplyDeleteanyhow, i highly recommend anyone to visit restaurant "azur" while in dubrovnik. killer food. chef brothers who lived in southeast asia are making european meals with asian twist. (not paid advertisement, but i plan to squeeze a free beer when i show this post to the waiter)
cheers to all!
AA will operate these flights with Boing 767 which have a horrendous on time performance, a lot of maintenance issues and 80s interior,no PTVs...only thing going for passengers is that it is a non stop to DBV
ReplyDeleteDo you think they might send the Dreamliner instead?
DeletePoanta vica je stici na destinaciju.
DeleteZivo me zacese koliko dugo treba za zamjenu gume
No AA 787 are based in PHL right now which might change in 2020 since AA has around 48 Dreamliners on order and the 767 are being replaced by 787 anyway...if the route performs well and sticks around it will probably get extended and see the Dreamliner in a few years
DeleteAh, I didn't know that...thanks. If there is high interest can the flights be extended in winter as well even 1 weekly?
DeleteI think Anon 18:08 is right...the AA 767 really looks shabby compared to the rest of nice, new planes.
BTW, related to possible US routes and LH reaction - anybody knows what situation with hard & soft product on US major carriers comparing to LH?
ReplyDeleteI remember that when I was frequently traveling to US using Star Alliance couple of years ago, we were trying to avoid United and go with LH because of better product.
There is potential for seasonal flights from US to Zagreb, winter operations are not realistic I believe, different situation if Croatia Airlines would be able to feed from region and then via zag to US.
ReplyDelete.....
Montenegro should aim for long haul flights
ReplyDelete