The Slovenian government is planning on subsidising flights from Ljubljana to key Lufthansa group hubs – Frankfurt, Munich, Zurich and Brussels - in order to increase existing frequencies. Currently, Lufthansa serves Frankfurt twice per day and Munich daily from the Slovenian capital, while Zurich is operated by Swiss on a daily basis and Brussels by Brussels Airlines six times per week. However, the Slovenian state-owned Bank Assets Management Company (BAMC) says there have been complaints regarding the schedule for the abovementioned services. It noted talks were being held with three “European regional carriers” to commence flights to the four cities in return for government subsidies. The head of BAMC, Matej Pirc, refused to name the airlines in question.
The government believes subsidising airlines on these four routes would achieve the same result as launching a new flag carrier. They would improve Slovenia’s connectivity to European airports, but, unlike a national airline, there would be strict cost control. According to the BAMC, the subsidies would only be enforced for a limited time. Mr Pirc noted the state would have lower costs by providing these incentives than obtaining capital for a new home-grown carrier. However, the head of the BAMC warned that introducing the subsidies would not be simple. "We expect for all these issues to be resolved at the start of next year", he said. The Slovenian Ministry for Infrastructure planned to provide subsidies for foreign carriers to fly to Ljubljana in the aftermath of Adria Airways’ collapse in September by making amendments to the country’s aviation legislation. However, the proposed changes were struck down by a parliamentary committee.
The Slovenian government and the Bank Assets Management Company have held talks with Lufthansa’s management on several occasions since Adria’s bankruptcy. In October, the Minister for Economic Development and Technology, Zdravko Počivalšek, said, “Lufthansa is Europe’s most important carrier with whom we want to coordinate our plans. All the conversations I’ve had with their CEO were with the intention of presenting our ideas to them. If we decide against setting up a new airline, Lufthansa will do its best to help cover the aviation sector in Slovenia, in line with their interests”. Last week, the Slovenian Prime Minister said it was “highly unlikely” for a new national carrier to be established. Lufthansa group airlines plan on shifting around their schedule for their Ljubljana services next summer season in order to offer passengers more convenient departure times.
This is crazy!
ReplyDeleteIt's a mix of crazy and criminal. They could have just *gasp* waited! It was never possible for LH group, short on airframes, to fit in a complete schedule of flights to LJU ~1 month before the timetable change. And it was always obvious they would institute a night-stopper and a few more rotations with SUTT2020. The government and associated agencies should have let them do what's already in their interest to do, before opening their silly mouths and promising them money to do something they were going to do anyway. In the highly unlikely case where LH+ wouldn't have a better schedule once SUTT2020 was announced, then they could have started tinkering around the edges. Not to mention they went straight to LH, in a ridiculously anti-competitive move. There ARE laws against this, which are being wilfully disregarded, nay, mocked. Oh yeah, and how many of them do you think have Miles&More FTL (or SEN) cards? Khm...
DeleteWho and what decided to favourize Lufthansa?
ReplyDeleteMy question is who and what decided to select BAMC as the country's new aviation policy developers?
Delete+1 last anon.
DeleteI thought their job was to take care of bad debt of banks.
Ha! So these flights will for sure be operated by Lufthansa satellites. I actually think one of them could be Croatia Airlines. No wonder they didn’t react to Adria’s bankruptcy. They will be paid to fly.
ReplyDeleteSlovenians paying croatia? Yeah sure haha
DeleteNo, paying Lufthansa which will choose its "regional partners".
DeleteIt wont happen bro, it doesnt say regional airlines in exyu. Slovenians will not have ou flying from lju to fra/mun/zur/bru youre crazy if you think so hahaha also it will be a hit for ou operations from zagreb if they launch same flights from lju
DeleteIt says European regional carriers and Croatia Airlines is considered a european regional carrier. It was even once a regional star alliance member.
DeleteYes bu why do you think it will be OU? It wont happen, slovenian politicans wont allow ou to fly out of lju on subsideizing flights, stop dreaming. With what
DeletePlane will ou even fly? Do you know their lf will sink in zagreb if this happens as you say haha?
Because it is a Lufthansa partner, because Zagreb is less thamn 2 hours by car from Ljubljana meaning they wouldn't have to base crew in Ljubljana or have a technical base in Ljubljana, because it is an EU carrier, because politicians couldn't care less.
DeleteWhy would lufthansa group give the money to ou when they can have their smaller airlines operate it? And whome they have closer cooperation with?
DeleteAnd why exactly would politicians have a problem? Many Slovenian politicians and members of government are using Croatia Airlines from Zagreb to Brussels at the moment. You are obviously not from Slovenia.
Delete@9.22 name me 3 of their smaller airlines
DeleteWell they will have SN triple daily soon on BRU-LJU so they won't have to fly on a tiny turboprop for over two hours. ;)
DeleteThere are no such plans. If SN had such plans, the government wouldn't be subsidizing the flights for additional frequencies by regional carriers.
Delete@9.24 Brussels Airlines has announced plans that they are downsizing. They are cutting fleet, destinations, frequencies and staff. Don't expect new flights from them to Ljubljana.
DeleteIn fact during January 15-February 15 they will have 5 weekly flights to Ljubljana.
Air dolimiti, Lufthansa cityline,
DeleteDo you really think this solution is convenient for them? No way!
DeleteYou do realize that Croatia can simply start flying out of LJu to anywhere in EU? Slovenian politicians cannot do anything about it.
DeleteYes i know but they have a say in whome to get the subsidize
DeleteNo not true. Subsidies must be transparent and an EU wide tender must be placed.
DeleteHaha you live in a imaginery world, theres a way to go around to assure the airline you want get it, otherwise they wouldnt have held talks with 3 airlines by now.
DeleteEnter Air Dolomiti.
ReplyDeleteWould love to see Air Dolomiti fly from LJU :)
DeleteI wonder which three European regional airlines could it be.
ReplyDeleteWouldn't it be smarter to subsidize flights to destinations that are not served from LJU?
ReplyDeleteThat would be more logical.
DeleteWell if you are coordinating everything with Lufthansa (for whatever reason) this is hardly a surprising outcome.
ReplyDeleteIsn't 2 daily to Frankfurt enough. Can't Lufthansa just put a bigger plane on the route?
ReplyDeleteThe issue is it's not profitable. It was fine when Adria was loosing money but Lufthansa does not want to.
DeleteIts not aboutnsize of the aircraft, problem is current schedule as you miss most departures out of EU hubs with late departures out of LJU
DeleteThere is a morning LH departure to FRA with SUTT 2020.
DeleteBut that issue is addressed in the new summer timetable. One flight will be a night stopper in LJU.
DeleteTragic. Just as we though situation was stabilizing they go organizing such stupidity.
ReplyDelete“Lufthansa is Europe’s most important carrier with whom we want to coordinate our plans.
ReplyDeleteSure.
Yes.
DeleteMight as well have given money to Adria then.
ReplyDeleteMore money into the blackhole to have flights delayed, joined or cancelled, so wetlease flights for LH and OS can be on time?
DeleteNo, thanks.
Adria should never have entered into wetlease agreements with LH. Or they should have played it the Balkans way, signing a wetlease deal with LH- getting the money for it and then cancelling those flights, because it is not their business.
DeleteThen they should have carried those thousends of passengers a day for SJJ, PRN or whatever to make millions and become the largest carrier in Europe.
Were there no money from the wetlease agreement with the LH group Adria would have ceased to exist 2 years ago already. Think about it.
I am sure they will get OU to operate these flights. It's not like they can say no to the big boss.
ReplyDeleteThe only problem is Croatia Airlines has no spare capacity in summer. To lease short-term to operate for Adria, I doubt. On the other hand Trade Air has spare capacity on its 100 seater F100's but being pretty much old and worn out doubt it would be solution as well. In my opinion it it will be Air Dolomiti and if this nonsense get to start at all
DeleteUnless they plan on getting another aircraft to operate TGD and SOF flights and then the rest of the time to fly for Mutti.
DeleteIn the end seems like OU was right and it was "too early" to react :D
ReplyDeleteYes and Air Serbia reacted very fast and sold a few cheap tickets. They are already back to normal mode in LJU.
DeleteA whole new level of dumb.
ReplyDeleteWhat will the subsidy amount be?
ReplyDeleteIt will probably be determined by Lufthansa!
DeleteAnd then people say Adria's bankruptcy didn't suit LH.
ReplyDeletewell it didnt
DeleteI work for LJU and let me tell you what this is, this is just LH being a sore loser. They lost the Slovenian market and they are pissed off others have rushed in and taken their cake. Now they want the government to cover some costs so that they can recapture the market. Totally stupid.
ReplyDeleteNon LH airlines are doing really well in LJU. I was looking at some flights today and for example TK arrived with 133 passengers on the A321, JU at 14.35 arrives with 41, SU A321 with 158 and so on.
But no, the government wants to pay LH because others are doing so well. If they want to waste taxpayers money then they might pay for a route we actually want and need like LIS, TLV or a new Spanish destination or maybe get Aegean to launch flights.
This is tragic.
none of these are flying to the west.
DeleteLJU-MUC also carries passengers to the east.
Delete"I work for LJU"- Yeah sure :D
DeleteYes they should subsidize TK, because the main trading partner for Slovenia is Turkey. Most slovenes go to Turkey and Syria for doing business.
Those countries in the EU do not really matter and reaching Germany and Switzerland and other EU countries is fastest done via IST .
Yeah Germany is such an important trading partner that LH can't fill a tiny regional jet a few times per day without subsidies. Give me a break. Meanwhile Aeroflot and Turkish Airlines are sending A321s today WITHOUT SUBSIDIES.
DeleteLufthansa wants to distort free market dynamics.
Lufthansa is full to Ljubljana. In fact they often have a problem with overbooking. Loads are not the issue on this route. The problem is probably yield.
DeleteBullshit No. 1:
DeleteOh totally right, after Adrias collapse it was Lufthansa, Swiss and Brussels who rushed in and were the first ones offering/ replacing routes from Adria.
Bullshit No. 2:
133 PAX in a Turksih A321 isn't that overwhelming, it is just a loadfactor from around 73%.
41 PAX on a JU flight (probably ATR 42) is as well not good with around 62%.
So no idea why you think all are doing great except of LH.
Yes, Aeroflot and TK are free to start flights and Slovenians can all go to SVO and IST. Feel free. Obviously they wnat to go someweher else. Flying to the USA is best done via Moscow.
DeleteTK sending 321 without subsidies :D The best joke in the net today. Yes no subsidies from the SLOVENIAN STATE :D
Delete@9.26 you kind of believe in conspiracy theories
Delete133 Pax on an A321 or 41 on an AT7 is amazing. It is Christmas period- the busiest time of the year :)
DeleteThe first to react to JP's demise was JU, not only did they issue rescue fares but they immediately increased flights and capacity. After them others followed. LH was lady to the party and all the cupcakes were already taken. Now they are bitter and angry and want the Slovenian taxpayers to compensate for their own lack of preparation. Matter of fact is that other airlines defeated LH Group there. For some strange reason the Slovenian government doesn't like that as if they are a shareholder in LH.
DeleteYes agree. JU defeated LH group here. They fly now two times a day as before, wheras LH flies 5 times a day offering much more capacity (which they did not 3 months ago).
DeleteWhat do you actually understand by defeat? By defat I would understand carrying at least much more pax or having a biger market share than another. Since both are not true, your argument is sensless.
both JU flights are on AT7 - back to ususal and far away from defeat
DeleteLH is also looking so-so:
both MUC flights are on CRJ
both FRA flights are on CRJ
Swiss is sending Helvetic with their embraer
Yup, LH group is thriving at the moment which is why they are asking for subsidies. Give me a break. They lost the battle in Slovenia, others have outsmarted them. Just look at AF in Slovenia and how masterfully they have prepared for this scenario. LH was asleep and now they are crying because others stole their toys. :(
Delete"masterfully" AF is also sending E70/E170. lol
DeleteI was talking about how prepared they were for JP's demise. Keep up before commenting nonsense.
DeleteYes you are so true, they were crazy well prepared and offering now 500% more flights, they are the rescuer of LJU. OMG. You ever read what you are writing?
DeleteOn the bright side, seems we are getting three new airlines in Ljubljana.
ReplyDeleteAir Slovenia, Adriatic Airways, and Adria Express, first one by Pocivalsek, second by Banana King and third by Luftwafe Gruppe LOL
DeleteCurrently LH LX SN schedule is planned like this:
ReplyDeleteETD x LJU
LH FRA 0700
LH MUC 1255
LH FRA 1330
SN BRU 1820
LX ZRH 2000 days 1 to 6
LX on day 7 ETD 1035h
First arrival in the day to LJU is LH ex MUC at 1215h which definitely is not ideal. Also LX schedule seems to be late ETD ex LJU as only few WB and GVA STR to connect ex ZRH
I guess biggest problem for these carriers are availability of aircrafts and slots at their hubs.
The Brussels Airlines schedule is absolutely crap.
DeleteLX is the worst of all. Who do they expect to attract on their 2000 departure to ZRH during the weekdays. In particular given the schedule they operate now. Unless the morning flight is in the making for SUT...
DeleteGRZ is comparable in size to LJU, but with a smaller catchment area perhaps. For 2020 SUT they will have 5xdaily to MUC (operated mostly by Air Dolomiti), 4xdaily to FRA, 1xdaily to ZRH (with the same ridiculous departure at 7pm to ZRH as LJU; or slightly better). LH group seems to divide and conquer markets). KLM should introduce 1xdaily to AMS, surely it would nudge LH group a bit towards better schedule on some routes.
DeleteANONYM 1108h
DeleteAustria and Germany lit bit different situation. But all in all, if you compare the size of the city, country and location of the airport, LJU is not doing that bad. Double daily IST and SVO, CDG. You first need to have this plus Iberia, Finnair, Lot, Easy, Wizz, BA, JU, YM, LY and HV.
Slovenia lies in the middle of Europe, most important trade partners are in range of a car drive (Austria, Bayern, Croatia and Italy Venezia Friuli area). Also big waves of tourists are coming from these regions and they use the car as well.
But you are right LX should have at least some 3-4 weekly flights more (morning ex ZRH) and LH might could do another daily MUC flight. If not already for SUTT 2020, I expect it for 2021 in line with the EU presidency of Slovenia
Such a nonsense decision.
ReplyDeleteThe fact they don’t want to fly routes to *A hubs without subsidies is clear to me. Most of the pax or the break even portion was made due to transfer pax from SEE countries. Now that there are no further connections the business is gone.
ReplyDeleteWow, so more of taxpayers money is going to the Germans?
ReplyDeleteI would also prefer it to go to the Croatians. But now it looks like that.
DeleteI wasn't aware we were so rich to offer financial support to Germany. First we sold them the airport, then we paid them to bankrupt Adria and now we'll be paying them to fly to our country.
ReplyDeleteEmbereassing really.
DeleteThat's what happens, when you aren't able to run government-owned companies as a business, but rather as collection of nieces, nephews, and other relatives.
DeleteIt is no support- it is buying a service which when operated beyond the what LH currently offers is highly negative. If the Slovenian Government wants more they have to pay.
DeleteThey didn´t want to pay Adria. Slovenia is too small to have 5 daily to FRA. Adria went bust not because they production costs were highter than those of Lufthansa. Think about it.
and you were all applauding LH in the last article... ignoring the fact that it was cheaper for LH to let JP fly for them. Now you see
ReplyDeleteSlovenia has 2 million inhabitants. Realistically it should have 5 million passengers in LJU. There are no airports in the vicinity, Slovenes travel a lot and 5 million is realistic. All of my friends travel at least 3 time a year to FRA to enjoy themselves. I do not see how LH cannot send an 321 here at least 4 times daily like to BUD.
DeleteWhat is there so much to enjoy in FRA to travel there 3 times per year?
DeleteWell if London works 2 times a day, then FRA can work 5 times a day on an A321. I just read the comments here on the portal.
Deleteanon 10.30 je pao s marsa: "There are no airports in the vicinity" ili trola
DeleteSorry if this sounds ignorant, but I read every other day here on this blog how much Slovenes travel, travel champions of the Balkans etc. Those claims are based on what? Give us some numbers please?
Delete@An.10.30
DeleteYou really dare comparing Budapest with Ljubljana?!?!?!
They might travel most, but obviously they travel the cheapest as well, otherwise they would be filling up that airport instead of flying with low-costs out of VCE.
Deletethe ones that really travel are only a fraction of the population. the vast majority goes only to vacation to HR and the odd bus tour to Central Europe or Germany and Italy. I have been flying all life LJU-MUC and its only businessmen and yu diapora connecting through LJU
Delete@Anonymous 24 December 2019 at 09:44:
DeleteExactly! Those who think Slovenians travel a lot, are usually the ones who think flying twice a year is huge. Ignore them. They are also the ones who think we are better off without Adria. Now they'll be able to go with Ryanair to Tenerife for 20 euros :D.
Will the EU allow it?
ReplyDeleteEurowings is one of LH's so called regional partners so it is likely we see them in LJU.
ReplyDeletethey don't have small enough planes. I guess it could be Air Dolomiti.
DeleteSoon they will have the 319 as the smalles A/C. DH4 are leaving the fleet next year.
DeleteInstead of financing other airlines start flying routes that are NOT covered, they will give money to Lufthansa to increase flights to 4 airports that are the best connected with Ljubljana? This is probably the craziest thing that happened in Slovenia ... since the sale of Adria to 4k.
ReplyDeleteCrazier than the disaster with the "Excel error" with the model of the 2nd railway to Koper? Or the fact that Slovenia spent 1.4 bn EUR for powerplant that did not meet EU carbon targets on the day of comissioning and will need to be closed earlier than halfway through the predicted lifespan?
DeleteEdelweiss Air ·is quite possibly the regional partner that could fly from Zurich to LJU.
ReplyDeleteDisappointing idea in my opinion.
ReplyDeleteHAHAHA, so much for saving tax payers money. The market will sort itself out, they said. Taxpayers are going to be better off without Adria, they said. Jovanovic has a political agenda, they said. And I say, you're voting rights should be revoked.
ReplyDeleteBut, hey, as long those overpaid, underworked flight crew members aren't getting their salaries, everyone's happy. Right?
I bet this won't cost 100 mio EUR in the next 20 years, which was the amount of Adria's debt at the time of bankruptcy.
DeleteOh really and just how will you if it will/won't???
Delete*know
DeleteBecause nobody in the world is subsidising foreign airline to that extent. Even SKP which has a substantial amount of W6 aircraft based there isn't paying that much.
DeleteYou sir, are a liar. Just to name one country, Italy. And there are lots more.
DeleteMany European countries' countries are paying to keep their airlines alive>>>
Delete- Romania
- Italy
- Serbia
- Hungary
- Estonia
- N Mac
Even Honduras pays flights between Honduras and elsewhere...
Taxpayers are charged but the country gets connected to the world
@Anon 19:29: Look carefully again, I said "foreign airline". Italy wouldn't be subsidising any foreign airline as much as they do Alitalia.
DeleteRescuing Adria would probably cost upwards of 100 mio EUR, as it would need:
1. Repaying of all the old debt.
2. Modernising fleet with something like A220 or E-Jet E2.
3. Pay big bucks for foreign managers with well-established careers and proven track record in aviation business.
What Adria's employees wanted from government was point 1, maybe point 2, and for government to appoint some politically-acceptable wonderkind with zero aviation experience who wouldn't mind asking government for 10 mio EUR every couple of years.
@Anonymous 24 December 2019 at 10:00:
DeleteWtf are you saying? Adria's employees wanted repayment of old debt?! New aircraft?! Are you smoking something? They just wanted to keep their jobs, nothing more, nothing less. It's a bitc* commuting abroad with no connections from LJU and expensive tickets.
And then people complain about LCCs wanting subsidies.
ReplyDeleteHaha, here it is not LH coming to the Slovenian Governement and saying: "I will fly if you give me money." It is the Slovenian government telling LH to fly more, beyond what is profitable for LH. Why should LH do it? To burn money? They calculate the case of adding flights and say "we will lose 2 million a year if we add flights because you want to"- So the govenment says: " OK we will cover it because it is fancy having more traffic at our airport".
DeleteIf there was a case in having 10 daily A321 flights to LJU from anywhere, Adria would have had them, they would not be bankrupt now and LH would certainly add them.
The biggest problem is : There is no such case and never will be. Deal with it.
Why not? :( we want LJU to be another LHR :(
DeleteTo be honest, they should subsidise it. Cheaper tickets, good time schedule, good service, reliability and connectivity. It was enough having none of that with Adria and no one needs old Croatia airlines planes and anything else that’s not up to LH standards. People need to fly at the end and if I can fly from Hamburg for 170€ return trip to Ljubljana I am more than thankful for that.
ReplyDeleteOld Croatia Planes? Some of LH A320s are much older :D
DeleteLH standard? I'm guessing you're not a frequent flyer.
DeleteI guess most of taxpayers money will be thrown away on the flights to Bruxelles. :(
ReplyDeleteColonialism 101
ReplyDeleteour goverment is pathetic, I thought that we have reached the deepest levels of the race to the bottom, but it seems that we are far from it. I don't know why Adria or new state owned airliner is victim of so much hatred. Slovenian gov't is pooring immense quantities of public money into all kinds of subsidies. You can check it yourself here > https://erar.si/
ReplyDeleteOn the other side, they sold majority of the bus companies to DB and likes, and after that they subsidize local bus lines. Nobody can't understand that kind of mental state - isn't it better to have subsidized domestic bus operator instead? First they sell the companies for peanuts, and then pour public money into private companies in order to maintain public service! Socialism did that better!
Can someone enlighten me what would be the difference if they established new airliner and keep tight control over the operations? Some people just can't get rid of the German is better fetish.
You want the ugly truth? Slovenia was the biggest loser of the break up of Yugoslavia. Where are today all those companies that were once considered as Slovenian giants? Gone. Where did they go and who came in their place? Adria is the perfect example of that. LH is not only going to earn from Slovenian passengers but now they also want Slovenian tax money! If this is not crazy then I don't know what is. Slovenia is being completely colonized by Germany and the economy is not tied to it because it is owned by them!
DeleteI don't think Slovenia was "the biggest looser" in breakup of Yugoslavia. Sure, it hasn't seen the levels of development like Czechia or Slovakia, but nevertheless...
DeleteHighest GDP, highest average salary, highest life expectancy, the only country to adopt Euro and joined Schengen area - out of all ex-yu countries.
Hardly "the biggest looser".
Greece joined Eurozone with fake papers, so much for that prestige. Also what's the big deal with Schengen? It's just a border union, nothing to do with the economy.
DeleteSlovenia has been fully colonized by Germany and others. Before they could do that they needed to shut down all strong local companies. So yes, they were the biggest losers because they were almost completely economically colonized. Nothing to be proud of.
Single currency, enabling seamless business with no currency risks. Pointless.
DeleteSchengen, pointless, I also agree. I so enjoy waiting 5 hours at the border in the summer between Serbia and Croatia during migration of Turks. I wish it would be year-round, that would make it more fun. Also companies really love shipping delays.
"Strong local companies" - well, perhaps those companies did not adapt to a new (European) market, but rather tried to keep going with the Balkan market, which was a mistake. Look at Adria, they had the entire European Union market to develop and they focused more or less only in LJU and 1 aircraft in PRN. There was nothing stopping them to be the next Wizz Air, Ryanair or similar - a true EU-wide profitable business.
But it's easier to say that Germans "colonized" Slovenia rather to look at what was done wrong in the past and learn from it.
Nice. First kill Adria in hope to make money from setting new airline. Publicising that all the airlines in the world are desperate to fly to LJU. Recognising thats beyond the control of the mafia involved, now the stupid Government folks leave our country with 500 jobless and 500 jobs less, loss of taxes and effect to economy. More pity all the money we slovenians and visitors to slovenia spend on tickets leaves the country and we end up paying even more money back to other countries from our tax pockets. This Government and their evil partners that coordinatedly killed Adria should be prosecuted.
ReplyDeleteagain ex-adria communist party cadre whining and crying
ReplyDeleteaha and what is LH doing here? asking money from a state. very capitalistic
Delete@Anonymous 23 December 2019 at 12:57:
DeleteWtf do LH subsidies have anything to do with Adria employees?!
Seeing ghosts, are we? Next time, just blame it on Jansa. I'm sure he has something to do with it.
communist party or better said, the Executive Committee, supported establishing of such failed companies as Airport Ljubljana, Adria Airways, Istrabenz, Luka Koper, Splošna plovba, Litostroj etc. so the capitalist boys could sell them for peanuts and then pay others to do the job those companies were established for in the first place.
Delete@Anon 13:16
DeleteDo you know if LH asked for subsidies? I don't read that.
They just flying the frequencies they think they are fine for them and to make money.
But when LJU wants instead of e.g. 2x daily to FRA, 5x daily to FRA and LH don't offer it due to making loss, then they only can get them with subsidies.
Why are you blaming LH without having an idea what happens behind? Should LH fly to LJU 5x daily even if they make loss, only because of LJU wants it?
I think the comment was refering to the previous commentators regarding jobless 500 people. As far as we already know (was posted here by presumably insiders) the majority of at least pilots and discpatchers and such are already employed elsewhere. Basically some commentators repeatedly making whining false claims. And from experience in the last 3 months, we know who was the whining party.
DeleteLufthansa is in 100% control of all airtraffic affairs in SLO and BIH, and no less than 3/4 of everything happening at HR market. Just because it's so seasonal overthere so LH can't control everything in HR, but they do control large share.
ReplyDeleteKnowing that, I don't see why this news is surprising for anyone? Same was in CH and AT before...
The thing is that LH is in trouble now. Austrian Airlines is being destroyed by Wizz Air while Eurowings is collapsing under its own weight. On top of that there are growing problems in SN which is nowhere near to being profitable. That is why AF managed to do so well in Slovenia, they found an opening and used it to their advantage. They saw that LH could not react in time so they cancelled the code-share first and then sat waiting for the inevitable to happen.
DeleteIf Croatia was smart they would also use this opportunity to carve a more independent aviation policy by encouraging OU to pull its act together. However we all saw the circus during the presidential election campaign. What more can we expect?
kako da ne 3/4 in HR
DeleteThis is an absolute disgrace! Has to rank up there with the most absurd policy decisions made in the ex-YU in the past decade. It is ABSOLUTELY not in Slovenia's best interest to financially encourage inefficient flights over hub airports. What they should be subsidising (if anything) are direct point to point flights to those cities in Europe where there is actually demand, then give those subsidies to whomever can operate them most efficiently. That's how you stimulate your inbound and outbound markets. Nobody wants an over-priced connecting short-haul flight over FRA/MUC/ZRH if they can avoid it. Slovenia is making Serbia's policies towards JU seem enlightened by comparison. Pfff
ReplyDeleteSerbia's policies towards JU are enlightened and bring very concrete and measurable benefits to the economy, so I don't understand the jab.
DeleteActually, Serbia's policies regarding JU are brilliant. Slovenia these past few months has not been behaving like Serbia but rather like Uzbekistan or Congo, irrational and unpredictable. This is yet another nonsensical move by the government in LJLJ.
DeleteSo, this now makes sense why The Slovenian Government did not go ahead with the creation of the new flag carrier. It was all to please the likes of Lufti. Incredible stuff.
ReplyDeleteSlovenia seems to be the land of aviation telenovelas :D
Mama Lufti will be very happy...
This is even more stupid than launching an airline from a start - let the market decide who will fly to LJLJ.
ReplyDeletewhat market? you are one of those neoliberal kids, who think market is everything. It is not. Each country has to prioritize its strategic assets and to control them. Slovenia has given away everything - the woods, the water sources, big systems, actually whole industry branches...almost whole infrastructure (there are ongoing wishes to "privatize" DARS - company operating the highway infrastructure), all electrical power suppliers have been privatized as well...the big retaliers....the only thing booming in Slovenia now is shops. Sometimes I wish that Slovenia would be crushed and squeezed like lemon, maybe then people will realize what happend to them.
DeleteLH, just as Fraport will maintain low level, low cost operation in Slovenia. Who will fly to LJLJ? Maybe Iberia (and only in summer season) and that's it. Fraport will not allow Ryanair or Lauda to operate here, as they are under extreme pressure from LH not to help them in ruining the Fifth Reich Germany is building. It wants to maintain its economic basin of influence, skilled workforce and market for finihsed products. Slovenia used to have high quality furniture industry. All dead now. We are exporting raw wood and importing finished furniture. And people are so happy that they will finaly have Ikea in Ljubljana, and they think this is the sign, that Slovenia matters, that we are important. Dfak we are. We are just customers for them. Slovenes think high of themselves. But the blue pill will arrive sooner or later. We are already well beyond point of no return. We have almost nothing left. Story about national air carrier and all that was bound to that story is just a very vivid illustration of the grim future that lies ahead. What polititians have done in last two decaeds borders with high treason. You are all turned into consumers...Germany is not stupid - just look at their last invitation of skilled workforce - they invest nothing in training of those people, but they pick creme de la creme and gather them in their Reich. I will not be surprised if there will be another war in Europe in my lifetime...
svasta. conspiracy kills the inteligence
DeletenotLufthansa: Sir, bravo! As long as people think Slovenia is thriving, nothing will change.
DeleteUgh. I thought we were over with this yugo politics nostalgia... LH launched flights to fill their connections. This is also true for other non-major German cities and that’s how it is. Market in europe is fierce and those who survived seasonal oscillations and maintain growth are great today. Others like Adria were never. At the end this is better for the consumer and I don’t care which airline will bring me to the desired point for good money. Slovenia has other qualities that cannot be sold away and Germany or any other country don’t have them.
Deletewhat conspiracy? I saw firsthand what was on the table in 1991-92, when Slovenia was seeking recognition from european countries, especially Germany. It was quid pro quo, and not even subtile. It was - you will need this for your country, we have company Y which can deliver it. And they did in many cases. It is a fact, that Balkans falls under very strong German area of interest, Slovenian Intelligence Agency even shared a secret facility with BND, which was in the flat across Telekom Slovenia building, and they were directly connected to the telephone cables (later optical). Lufthansa is mercyless company, it is like IKEA - it will suck you into working more and more for them, especially on risky routes - and as long as you are feeding their hubs, they don't touch you. As soon as there is risk involved, they will crush you. Don't you know what is going on with Austrian?
ReplyDeleteAnd the other anon, it is not yugo politics nostalgia, it is called real politik and politicians in Slovenia (and further south) are so stupidly naive and in love with all coming from the West, that they don't see what is more than obvious - as nobody is even hiding things any more. Just one example - Strabag - Carinthia, and Austria as well, are helping this company big time winning infrastructural projects, in Balkans as well. What did Slovenia do? When Jansa was PM, he enroled himself in the war against "communist" CEOs, which were purchasing (better said stealing) public companies and privatizing them (according the law passed by the same govt - enabling purchasing of the companies by giving loans to the buyers - how crazy is that!?). The end result - for more than 10 years there has not been a single company in Slovenia capable of building anything larger than small bridge across a realy small river. Nobody was capable and didn't hold the licences needed for large infrastructural projecst. You say nostalgia....maybe. Big and smart countries as Germany, France etc...protect their strategic assests and use others, because they can. Another example of neo-colonialism is purchase of Lasko and Union breweries. Do you realy think that it was because of the beer? It was for the water sources and extraction rights they came with the purchase. And they are pretty generous in terms how much water they can pump....I could go on and on...but it is all conspiracy and yugo nostalgia...right?
Do not warry notLufthansa. There is a master plan behind, let the Germans invest, especially if they pay cash for things they purchase to our guys, but one day we will nationalise all their assets. As we will do it for Chinese and Russians owned properties, no matter intermediates in Austria and Luxembourg. Zimbabwe is another story, long friendship, I am sure you are aware of it.
DeleteBy the way, I thought that Austrian belongs to Lufthansa Group, but probably I was wrong.
Some are making the interesting assumption that a company owned by Slovenians is automatically better for consumers and employees than a company owned by someone else. I would argue that the past three decades have shown us that this simply isn't the case.
DeleteOh, and for the record: I also strongly oppose these subsidies.
If you got the impression that I'm in absolute favour of "national" ownership in any case, that impression is wrong. But - I am in favour of holding certain assets, or at least control over them in direct or indirect fashion. Those, which are commonly recognized as strategic. Why Norway has not privatized its oil fields? They are not crazy - they said, it belongs to all Norwegians and that they should benefit from it, not BP or Shell....
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