Europe’s largest low cost carrier Ryanair has announced the opening of a
base in Zagreb starting this September with the launch of twelve new routes
and the stationing of two Airbus A320 aircraft. The majority of the new
services will be maintained by the airline’s subsidiary Lauda Europe. New
routes include Charleroi, Beauvais, Dortmund, Hahn, Baden Baden, Memmingen,
Bergamo, Rome Ciampino, Podgorica, Sandefjord, Gothenburg and London
Stansted. A total of 36 weekly rotations will be maintained from the new
Zagreb base, which will generate sixty new jobs. “We are delighted to be
announcing Zagreb and so many new connections. It is a very underserved
airport. Finally, low fares have arrived”, Ryanair’s CEO, Eddie Wilson, said
at a press conference. He added, "We have done a good and sensible
commercial deal with Zagreb so that we can grow even more. It is positive
for Zagreb, Ryanair and our crew that will be working there. Hopefully, we
will have even more routes launched in the summer of 2022. We will be using
the new terminal at Zagreb Airport. Services will be operated by Lauda
Europe, however, this does not necessarily mean others from the group will
not serve the city. I am sure it will not be long before Ryanair Boeing 737s
are flying out of Zagreb". Ryanair will launch two new routes out of Zagreb
in June and July - Charleroi and Bergamo - respectively, with the remainder
commencing in September.
| Destination | Launch date |
|---|---|
| Charleroi | 02.06.2021 |
| Bergamo | 01.07.2021 |
| London Stansted | 01.09.2021 |
| Sandefjord | 01.09.2021 |
| Baden Baden | 02.09.2021 |
| Beauvais | 02.09.2021 |
| Memmingen | 03.09.2021 |
| Hahn | 03.09.2021 |
| Dortmund | 03.09.2021 |
| Rome Ciampino | 03.09.2021 |
| Gothenburg | 03.09.2021 |
| Podgorica | 04.09.2021 |
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As
previously reported, Zagreb Airport has been in talks with the budget carrier and has launched a
new subsidy scheme to stimulate the arrival of new airlines and the launch of
new routes. In order to qualify for the discounts, which includes an 80%
reduction in the passenger service charge that amounts to 17.5 euros, an
airline must launch operations from the Croatian capital to destinations that
were not previously served in either the pre-pandemic 2019 or in 2020. The
carrier must also maintain services throughout the year. Among the large low
cost carriers in Europe, both easyJet and Wizz Air previously maintained
flights to the Croatian capital but operations were terminated years ago.
Ryanair held talks with the Croatian Ministry for Tourism in 2018 over
the potential introduction of flights to Zagreb. In 2019, Ryanair’s
subsidiary Lauda expressed interest in opening a base in the Croatian
capital. At the time, it was proposed for the airport's higher fees to
be avoided with the reopening of its old terminal building, which would
have been used exclusively by budget carriers. However, the plans never
materialised following strong objections from Croatia Airlines,
expressed to both the state and the airport.
Ryanair has also officially announced the launch of its seasonal base in Zadar, which was initially to open last year. The airline will station two A320 jets operated by its subsidiary Lauda Europe starting this July and introduce seventeen new routes, in addition to the new Naples service which was announced earlier this year.. New destinations include: Edinburgh, Newcastle, Liverpool, Beauvais, Maastricht, Aarhus, Bremen, Vaxjo, Gdansk, Modlin, Naples, Wroclaw, Budapest, Bucharest, Bologna, Rome Ciampino, Naples and Bari. As a result, the budget airline will operate 78 weekly rotations on 37 routes, generating sixty new jobs. While flights will run until the end of the summer season in October, the airline has said it will consider extending some routes into the winter months if there is sufficient demand.
| Destination | Launch date |
|---|---|
| Naples | 04.06.2021 |
| Budapest | 01.07.2021 |
| Eindhoven | 01.07.2021 |
| Liverpool | 01.07.2021 |
| Modlin | 01.07.2021 |
| Bologna | 01.07.2021 |
| Rome Ciampino | 01.07.2021 |
| Aarhus | 02.07.2021 |
| Maastricht | 02.07.2021 |
| Wroclaw | 02.07.2021 |
| Bucharest | 03.07.2021 |
| Bremen | 03.07.2021 |
| Gdansk | 03.07.2021 |
| Beauvais | 04.07.2021 |
| Vaxjo | 04.07.2021 |
| Edinburgh | 04.07.2021 |
| Newcastle | 07.07.2021 |
| Bari | 07.07.2021 |
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Finally! Great news for Zagreb.
ReplyDeleteHope its going to be Lauda aircraft stationed.
DeleteYES! A320 Lauda :)
DeleteAt the moment yes. But O'Leary plans to make Lauda subsidiary all - Boeing operator
DeleteAbout time
ReplyDeleteLong overdue. So happy hearing this news.
DeleteNo more monopoly between OU and BA on LDN flights. Now I'll be able to fly to ZG for around £70 instead of £250.
Welcome to 2010.
ReplyDeleteThis will hurt LJU soo much
ReplyDeletenot if Wizz opens a base there
DeleteToo late for LJU. Bravo, ZAG!
Deleteits not not too late for LJU, these routes from ZAG are mostly gasto routes, that means that there is still room for ryan to start some routes from LJU, for example some routes to Spain, UK, Scandinavia...
DeleteLJU was never an even an option for LCC base. No gastoz, no mass tourism...end of story.
DeleteLJU could easily be LCC base, population of 2.1mil, you could attract passengers from S austria, attract passengers from N croatia before ZAG becomes LCC base, and for not that small number of tourists who visit slovenia. Too late for that.
DeleteNo mass tourism? Well, inland Croatia isn't a destination for mass tourism either. But Slovenia still gets a healthy number of visitors: approximately 600,000 visitors a year from Germany and Italy, 160,000 from the UK, and so on. Numbers like that can support LCC routes.
DeleteAnd 165,000 from France, another promising market.
DeleteYes, there is a lot of visits but if you check how many nights average passengers stay in Slovenia you could easily come to conclusion that we are just intermediate stop. I believe that it's around two nights and that is not in favor of LCC carriers. It's completely different picture on croatia/montenegro/albania market where average night is much higher because tourist actually go there for vacation. And that's why they have LCC carriers and we don't..
DeleteEasyjet, wizzair and transavia disagree with you
DeleteWell, the average length of stay for tourists in Slovenia (about 2.5 days) isn't much lower than in Italy (3.6 days), a much larger country. These days, people tend to go on shorter breaks, but more of them, than was the case even a couple of decades ago. And Slovenia, with its diversity of landscapes, where you have Mediterranean olive groves, a cute capital city, and snow-peaked Alps all within a short driving distance, is well-positioned for growth in this market, if the airport plays its cards right (and that's a huge if).
Delete@anon 19:22
Deleteoh really..till now I didn't see them base their aircraft at LJU which clearly shows that they agree with me.
@anon 21.18
the average length of stay also depends where you measure it. It's not the same in Rome or Sardinia. I could bet that last one has average length more than 5 days which is perfect for LCC model of 1-2 flights per week on each destination.
And easyjet or wizz or ryanair could easily base two or three a320s / b737s at LJU
Deletethat's not enough, there could be at least five of them #sarcasmOFF
DeleteEven though many will be happy it is embarassing it took them this long. Even many other Croatian airports had LCC flights for over a decade now. That said, this means the end of OU.
ReplyDeleteOf course it does not mean the end, like LCCs didn't end any other airline in the region either.
DeleteWell they ended Montenegro Airlines and they put an end to national carriers in North Macedonia. They also ended Malev, so...
DeleteNot a single LCC flew to Macedonia before MAT collapsed and LCCs were certainly not the reason for Montenegro Airlines' collapse. But of course, you can hope. It is your right.
Delete@91.17 both wrong
DeleteHow can an airline with unlimited state aid go under?
DeleteOf course they put an end to it in North Macedonia because after Wizz Air it made no sense to go forward with the national carrier.
DeleteYM losses exploded once LCCs entered the market, just look at the growth of their market there. They made them obsolete which is why the government pulled the plug on them. Estonia is another example.
You are always welcome to present some arguments, valid ones not just rekla kazala stuff.
I don't intend on presenting anything since it won't change your mind because your main hope is that Croatia Airlines will go bankrupt. Of course it won't happen. Same way you didn't present anything for your claims.
Deleterekla kazala yourself: the LCC in Monetengero are flying to places that Montenegro airlines never had in their network. Your logic is the same like those that claimed boo at OU for not flying Brac-LJU. besides that both lowcoster to TGD have only 4-5 routes each
DeleteFinally!!!! I am definitely betting for STN and DUB and perhaps CRL and BCN.
ReplyDeleteOu will most likely end dublin if ryanair starts, no way they can compete with them for more than a 1-2 year tops! Then cancellation
DeleteIf they introduce CRL expect OU to collapse in BRU. People are pissed off at them because of chronically expensive tickets, flying on the Q400 very often and so on. If you mistreat your customers don't be surprised when they embrace your competition.
DeleteWith bru i dont know, there are still bureucrates and politicians that will use this flight and they will 100% fly with OU
DeleteDUB will almost certainly be a Ryr route
Deletehow? it is already served with OU
Delete@09:18
DeleteLOL, if there is ONE airline mistreating literally everybody, it's Ryanair. They mistreat even their staff. So if mistreatment is a reason for people not to fly, Ryanair is no competition to Croatia Airlines.
Will be interesting to see what Wizz does- I mean they avoided ZAG for the same reasons as FR and said if conditions improved, they would come. Doubt Wizz will leave Croatia to FR.
ReplyDeleteinteresting thought but that means maybe that Wizz is going to LJU. Wizz is not too much interested in seasonal bases (the coast). The only alternative could be Rijeka they could play smart
Deletebecause of the promixity to Zagreb
DeleteWizz and Ryan opened their base in Viena at the same time after the airport fees become attractive for LCCs. This will happen in ZAG too, I am pretty sure, Wizz is going to announce new routes from ZAG in the next coming weeks.
DeleteAgree. Can't wait for W6's new routes! Ryan + Wizz launched many new routes at ca. the same time from VIE, ODS, LWO etc.
DeleteI doubt we will see them operating routes operated by OU. But let's wait and see.
ReplyDeletedid you even read the article?
DeleteYes I did. And precisely because I read it I doubt they will be flying routes operated by OU., first and foremost because they won't qualify for the subsidy if they do.
DeleteGood. so expect Hahn instead of FRA and so on
DeleteThey could operate mix of routes, and get subsidy of some, not get on other. It is more easy if you have base in ZAG then before.
Delete:D
Deleteyes but we are talking about Ryanair here
DeleteYou forget that Ryanair has bases in places like BRU and FRA these days.
Deletethe receive incetives in FRA (for being a new airline there, not for unserved routes)
DeleteNot sure what routes are you hoping for really? MUC, FRA, ARN, BRU? I mean come on
Great, this will generate a new type of passengers and will definitely mean a lot of passenger growth for ZAG.
ReplyDeletethe plebs will return to ZAG (im joking!!!) :D
Deletethe younger population will travel more that is going to be very visible (just like on the Wizz routes form ExYU)
All the younger population wants is cheap one-way air tickets out of there.
DeleteNot only the younger population wants it cheap.
DeleteAll gastarbeiters throughout Europe want it cheap 2.
yes but HR gasto from south of germnay are going there by car
Deleteand buses
Delete+ FRA and DTM are not in southern Germany
didnt Wizz fly DTM?
DeleteEasy did, not sure about Wizz
DeleteWhatever happened with those claiming ZAG serves only "prestigious" airlines?
ReplyDeleteStill, ZAG has alot of prestigious airlines :)
DeleteZAG now has prestigious airlines plus Europe's largest airline ;)
DeleteAlso considered Europe's trashiest ;)
DeleteWell, the world's most prestigious airline (as claimed by He Who Must Not Be Named) is out. Permanently.
Deletehaha the prestigious fans today :D
ReplyDeleteThis will be extremely bad for airlines like LH which profited from little LCC presence so they were flying transfers left and right.
ReplyDeleteI often fly to Romania and Nantes via FRA and MUC. Finnaly I will be able to fly ceaper and direct from ZAG. When the open their schedules today I will book Tunis directly, my nex business trip :)
DeleteI'm sure lol
DeleteNah, LH, KL, BA and AF transfer mainly to long-haul destinations that the LCC's don't fly to. Especially now that Ryanair's cooperation with Norwegian long-haul routes has collapsed. It's only P2P-traffic that might decrease a little on those airlines. But Ryanair keeps flying to far-away airports. Most people will prefer flying to/from airports close to their destination.
DeleteVery bad news for Croatia Airlines.
ReplyDeleteServes them right. Time to wake up and smell the roses.
DeleteOU management needs to change the gear if they really wants to stay afloat. They business principle is really old and stagnating. Nothing's really happening there. Government should assigned a new management, get rid of half of OU force and start bringing transfer from Russia, Ukraine, Azerbaijan, Morroco, Georgia, Lebanon, Israel, Egypt etc. And maybe just maybe they survive this.
Will they be then using the old terminal? Enyone knows/guesses?
ReplyDeleteits not that ZAG is a congested airport
DeleteI highly doubt that will happen in this phase. Maybe in few years if they got enough traffic.
DeleteWith the currently low amount of traffic, it would make no sense to do anything like that.
Delete@9.25 it's not about congestion. Read the article.
DeleteNo, the old terminal will not be reused.
DeleteWell, that's the end for OU. It had to happen, and good that Zagreb is finally thinking ahead.
ReplyDeleteBravo Slovenija! Bravo LJU! Bravo MBX! There goes your chance of becoming LCC alternative to ZAG. Now even more people will fly from ZAG.
ReplyDeleteLol if you really thought that LJU/MBX will become base to LCC then you don't know much about them..
DeleteIt's not like Slovenia and Croatia are seen as a single market by people not from there, so that's quite nonsense. Foreigners that want to go to Croatia will not fly to Slovenia, and foreigners that want to fly to Slovenia will not fly to Croatia. Except if there is no viable flight option to their destination, then they may opt for another airport. But LJU has competition from VCE as well, and to a lesser extent maybe also TRS, so it's not like ZAG and LJU are just mutually competing. The world of aviation is more complex than you think.
DeleteWow, so Ljubljana really missed an opportunity here... I really hope Ryanair launches Berlin from Zagreb.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if they would consider doing domestic flights such as they did in Romania and Poland. It'll be awesome to fly from the capital to the coast or vice versa for 9,99€.
ReplyDeleteRyanair is simply an amazing airline. Been flying with them for more than 12 years and almost 50+ times and barely had any issues. You stick to the rules, you don't have any problems.
It's nothing too exciting, Charleroi, Beauvais, Bergamo and Dortmund.
DeleteGood sign how crisis is helping big companies to extend market shares or to enter markets they havent been serving before the crisis. Suddenly Ryanair is planning to operate fm LJU and ZAG.
ReplyDeleteI am no fan of them and for people working in aviation, they are definitely no gift,
In fairness the expansion at Zadar looks more impressive, than these 4 routes.
ReplyDeleteZadar is amazing.
Delete+1000
Deletelol why Podgorica?
ReplyDeleteBecause, like people have been saying for a while, there is big P2P demand.
Deletedebatable
DeleteWell I know the number of passengers that fly between these two cities and fly through other cities. So no it's not debatable. It was a huge opportunity missed by Croatia Airlines for amny years.
DeleteI expected SOF before TDG, but this is nice actually.
DeleteGASTO Airways :)
ReplyDeleteexcept for TGD (really odd) it is one to one copy of Wizzair's network from other places in ExYu
Exactly
DeleteLJLJ, may you rest in peace!
ReplyDeleteBravo to Fraport :)
DeleteThis time is not Fraport quilt (I don't like Skobir or Krasnja as well) but Slovenia simply does not have that what LCC is searching (huge amount of gastoz across eur and destinations with mass tourism). Slovenia does not have any of mentioned..
DeleteActually a low-frequency route from LJU to MST could work maybe. There are about 20,000 people around Maastricht of Slovenian descent who used to work in the mines.
DeleteIs it possible that so "prestige" airport will be hosting cheap Ryanair?
ReplyDeleteI can't believe it.
I wonder how much discount they got to fly to Zagreb
ReplyDeleteWOW this is impressive
ReplyDeleteBVA, HHN, FMM and MMX will be a massive blow to OU. I wonder what will happen wih FCO flights via the coast now that there will be nonstop flights.
ReplyDeletethere is no MMX.
DeleteFMM is going to be challenging. most Croats from Bayern are going home with their (full) cars
But for those travelling with flixbus it is a welcomed change
There will be no more 3 daily flights to FRA
DeleteActually there will be. It was around 5 daily to FRA (OU+LH), now we can expect maybe 4 + HHN (FR)
DeleteI will use Ryanair now to get to FRA and then with LH off to NYC :) Do they have an interline?
DeleteFRA and HHN is not the same. As I said there will be no 5 daily flights to FRA
DeleteNo, you said "There will be no more 3 daily flights to FRA".
DeleteExactly. 5 was typo.
DeleteWell, what can I tell you lol
DeleteRIP OU
ReplyDeleteto the LJU bashers (im not from SLO)... From the ZAG routes network: It is all gastarbeiter routes which is reasonable knowing the huge number of HR diaspora. There is stil space for LJU routes: BER/HAM, EIN, northern UK route, BCN/LIS, PRG , SKP and SJJ.
ReplyDeleteI dont understand why there is so much hate against Lju ... anyway, i agree with you, routes interesting for Slovenians are BVA, CIA, TGD and maybe GOT and TRF. The rest is gastos routes for CRO that will effect more Croatian Airlines than LJU. Probably the biggest impact on LJU will have flights to London since many Croatians were using Ljubljana until now. And in the end of the day i prefer to fly from Venice since they are in Schengen to avoid boarders ... But hey, airport is about business and not about nationality ...
DeleteZAG-STN will actually be daily!
DeleteDaily STN will really hurt BA. Until now they profited from dysfunctional OU, now they have some real competition.
DeleteHHN and FMM are a massive blow to the Star Alliance cartel.
ReplyDeleteno. MUC has very little diaspora on board. Dont know about FRA
DeleteOf course not. OU and LH benefit from LH long-haul transfers and FR is not going to change that.
DeleteSkavsta, Gerona, Tenerife, Sofia, Dubrovnik, Edinburgh,, Malta, Dublin, Krakow, Gdansk, Porto - my expectations for the phase two. And yes, finally, as someone before said welcome to 2010, but OK, better late than never...
ReplyDeleteI'm actually curious, if FR announces ZAG-DBV without subsidies then wouldn't that disqualify OU from applying for PSO on that route? I thought PSO is for routes that are not commercially sustainable.
DeleteUnder EU rules, which airline wins PSO it gets a monopoly on the route.
DeleteIt looks like they will open STN-ZAG instead to LJU
ReplyDeletewhy? lol
DeleteFantastic news, congrats, ZAG! ;)
ReplyDeleteWow, and look at Zadar: Budapest, Bucharest, Bari, Rome Ciampino, Bergamo, Modlin, Gdansk, Vaxjo, Stockholm Skavsta, Aarhus, Hamburg, Bremen, Eindhoven, Maastricht, Edinburgh, Newcastle and Liverpool!
ReplyDelete:D :D :D good one!
ReplyDeletewhat will those fanboys now claim :)
Bravo Hrvatska!
ReplyDeleteThis should have happened 15 years ago, so today I agree with your bravo, with huuuuge delay
DeleteI really don't get why they aren't adding EIN immediately. KL is doing amazing out of Ams, for the right price people would definitely travel that 1,5 hour to EIN and take a plane there.
ReplyDeleteTaking the train/bus from EIN to AMS and back costs 44€, so unless you get like a 20 EUR plane ticket, it's usually not worth it.
DeletePlus there is HV EIN-RJK, and driving Rijeka to Zagreb is same duration and less costs
DeleteKL has transfers to long-haul destinations, that's why they are doing so great.
DeleteWell we kept on being told that no one from Croatia flies out of BNX so I guess those routes are safe
ReplyDeleteNot all people live in Amsterdam. If you have to take a train from Utrecht/the Hague/Rotterdam anyways you can take a train to EIN it doesnt cost much more.
ReplyDeleteBut people arriving to AMS on a DL/AM/CZ/MU/KQ/CI flight will transfer on a KL flight to Zagreb instead of travel to EIN for an unconnected flight.
DeleteI guess so too. BNX has its own catchment. They can fill BRU easily.
ReplyDeleteAMAZING! Well done Zagreb, Zadar and Ryanair.
ReplyDeleteI am very happy with Maastricht, it is more favorable compared to Northern Belgium and North Rhine-Westphalia and it is in a nicer part of the Netherlands than Eindhoven.
ReplyDeleteMaastricht is a beautiful city!
DeleteWill OU respond or is it too early?
ReplyDeleteOf course it is too early.
DeleteHahaha good one :) :) :) Also I would like to hear today from one of their uhljebs bitterly defending their operations, who literally spit on me for suggesting TGD once YM stopped flying. Obviously FR starting TGD are such idiots, comparing to brilliant OU super ultra extra managers minds
DeleteYou suggested 3 daily flights to TGD mate. Its not the same as flying to TGD 4 or 5 weakly flights.
Delete3 daily TGD to feed the long-haul to Kansas City :D
DeleteZAG-TGD could work only as a seasonal service. Unless someone in Montenegro is paying for this route, it will eventually revert to seasonal or completely shut down.
DeleteIf this route a year-round by FR or does it operate until the end of October?
DeleteYear round
DeleteZAG-TDG could work easy year-round with FR prices. There is enough big P2P market for few weekly flights. Not only Zagreb, there is big part of Slovenia as well. I am not so suprised with this route actually
DeleteThe only thing which is quite inconvenient are those evening Saturday flights you can basically lose half of your weekend if you want to visit Zagreb or Podgorica. But hey, better this than nothing at all.
DeleteHahaha uhljebi na aparatima :) :) :) Those who can't make the difference between "weakly" and "weekly", who cannot make difference between LCC and and legacy operations, who cannot make difference between OU Q400 and FR 738, capacity ratio 3 to 1, who don't want to admit I suggested TGD operations only in case of drastically increased overall network of OU, including long-haul, and finally who bitterly and desperately LIE, permanently, day by day, I ever suggested flights to Kansas City, instead telling truth and saying I suggested NYC, which is starting now even in Bulgaria and Romania.
DeleteFull support for Pozdrav!
Delete@18:17
DeleteI think the B738 is too big for this route though. I've flown LJU-TGD on an almost empty Fokker 100, so I guess demand to TGD is not that much from LJU/ZAG. Maybe the price-factor could raise demand for FR, but I think the route itself is too short for such a big aircraft to be sustainable with low prices, as overhead costs will be relatively higher.
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DeleteRomania and Bulgaria are much bigger markets than Croatia. Country-wise, but also city-wise. And both are in the Schengen Area while Croatia is not.
Bulgaria and Romania aren't part of the Schengen area.
DeleteRomania and Bulgaria are bigger countries, with more inhabitants, but it does not make them actually bigger markets. Their immigrant communities in the US are much smaller than Croatian one, and their number of US tourists are incomparably smaller than US tourists to Croatia. Plus their geographical position make them much less favourable for potential transfers. And Croatia will probably be in Shengen before than the two, which btw still have high visa refusal rates for the US while Croatia expect visa waiver status in a month or two. So no, they are not bigger markets.
DeleteBulgaria and Romania are more stable markets because they are not as seasonal, something that's important for airlines. I mean in winter DBV and SPU have around 25.000 passengers. That's tragic for the airline business guys.
DeleteThe most interesting thing is actually basing not 1 but 2 aircraft at once in ZAG!! I bet you that W6 will very soon want to take revenge :D They always chase FR around. Look what happened with LWO which is the new LCC battleground.
ReplyDeleteW6, however, did kick FR's arse in both Romania and Bulgaria.
Beside LWO, same happened in VIE and ODS.
DeleteFrom so called regional expert we heard that at the time when Banja Luka was receiving new FR flights it could not be recognized as threat to ZAG.
ReplyDeleteAnd now we see just opposite. Banja Luka will "suffer" a lot as FR came to ZAG.
Interesting.
Good thing, this is not the end, more new FR ZAG routes will be introduced in next months.
ReplyDeleteAnd I hope that another LCC will enter into market very soon.
From September? Even airlines gave up on this summer.
ReplyDeleteFor me the presentation is the best part! Not only does it look like something straight out of Windows 98, but they actually have the nerve to claim a $200m INVESTMENT into these airports because they are basing two aircraft worth $200m at list prices! LOL
ReplyDeleteGreat news for ZAG pax though, and it's also great to have a low-cost connection for weekend trips to ZAG for us from northern Italy.
Can I buy this as a NFT? It heralds a new chapter in regional aviation and initiates the downfall of OU. How much?
ReplyDeleteBravo, Hrvatska!
ReplyDeleteWhy not ZAG -INI?
ReplyDeleteMaybe in next phase, INI, SKG, SOF
DeleteWill there be 2 738s or 1 738 and Lauda 320? Also their fares still seem to be expensive starting at 39,99€, I guess they will start lowering them in a couple of weeks.
ReplyDeleteMy guess is that they will add a second daily evening STN service at a later stage, they did this with almost all EU capitals. but this early morning flight to STN is great for business travellers.
It says in the first sentence of the article...
DeleteNo need to go lower than 39.99 since their main competitors sell one way for 100 Euros. They might not be cheap but they are not super expensive either.
DeleteYes, I get your point. Usually the average rough price for a return is around 70€, still their extra luggage 10kg fee is not that high.
DeleteFor example they are much cheaper on the London route compared to BA and OU.
Real question is how much lower can OU and BA go? Sure ZAG gave them discounts but they still have much higher charges at LHR. On top of that, LHR is not that desperate as they still get a lot of flights. For example BlueAir launched Bucharest and Iasi and jetBlue just secured slots for JFK flights. I can see OU selling their LHR slots to cover mounting losses.
DeleteJust to add regarding LHR, Aegean just secured additional slots so now they will have:
DeleteATH 3 daily
SKG 3 weekly
JTR 3 weekly
HER daily
I think LHR is purely transfer in ZAG and ZAG was lacking LCC O&D traffic, which is where STN is the perfect airport for those needs. Ideally it would be better to have LGW as well so I think both OU and BA will not be affected, quite on the contrary they will lower the fares, probably deploy bigger planes and compete with FR.
DeleteWhat transfers did OU carry? Where from and onto what/who? They already collapsed when BA came, imagine now with FR?
DeleteTowards US, Canada, India, Singapore, South Korea. OU has codeshare with Asiana, Air India, United, Singapore Airlines on LHR-ZAG route.
DeleteThey didint collapse when BA came, they sold their slots few years ago to secure liqudity.
Didn't they have agreements with VS and DL?
Delete@20:07
DeleteOU = Star Alliance
DL = SkyTeam and VS is within the SkyTeam spheres as well
Of course, alliance membership can be overruled sometimes and it happens, but there is a Star Alliance alternative here that is UA.
What’s wrong in that?
ReplyDeleteAs a flight crew, do you look it this as a good opportunity to jump from a sinking "Ship" and will the pay benefits be the same or better at Ryan then st OU?
ReplyDeleteThere is no recruitment at the moment, as these aircraft will simply be moved from other bases.
DeleteIf recruitment were to take place, you can expect conditions to be aligned with the realities of aviation in 2021.
They would be much worse than OU, look at the conditions in Vienna. Lauda basically pays their crew minimal salary which is kind of around the poverty line.
DeleteYeah I heard the taxes are pretty high in Austria hence the crappy result pay check. Hopefully that won't be the case in Zagreb.
DeleteIn the end all these LCC around ex-YU are a clear sign of local failures. In stead of having local airlines that thrive and fill local budgets we are getting those that pay their taxes in Ireland or Hungary. Congratulations, you have successfully reached a new level of banana republic.
ReplyDeleteFill local budget... More like the other way around when it comes to exyu airlines.
Delete@19:56: We're talking about the EU, which is supposed to work as a single market. If you're afraid of cross-border competition, then you should advocate leaving the single market and setting up a closed economy. (And good luck with that in the interconnected world of the 21st century.)
DeleteWizz Air and Ryanair still pay taxes in their home countries regardless of the single market. These airlines are using the single market to expand their businesses and in the pay they more taxes to their respective governments.
DeleteFor example take Slovenia. In stead of having competitive JP which employs Slovenes and pays taxes in Ljubljana, now the market will be handled by foreigners who are profiting from Slovenian capital which then they move to their home country.
Each time you buy a Wizz Air ticket the money is deposited on their accounts in Budapest. (except Wizz UK)
You mean Switzerland, right?
DeletePartial tax revenue won't tell you the complete story. First of all, airline competition benefits the consumer. The new LLCs, on average, offer far lower fares than what old semi-monopolists like Adria once charged. That alone makes flying more affordable to ordinary people and increases traffic. And this brings us to another point: even if they are based somewhere else, airlines pay airport fees and those revenues are taxed. No one is getting anything for free.
DeleteThen there is tourism. With their competitive fares, new airlines bring in more tourists. Note, for instance, the increase in visitors from the UK since easyJet started serving LJU. Adria once flew to LJU as well, but for most leisure travelers, their fares were too high. It was a new airline that helped to increase inbound tourism -- and tax revenue.
If you think that inefficient, heavily subsidized airlines are the way to go, you're forgetting how unpopular Adria was before it went bust: it had lackluster service (to put in mildly), inexplicable delays and cancellations, as well as high fares which caused many Slovenians to look for alternatives abroad.
Partial tax revenue won't tell you the complete story. First of all, airline competition benefits the consumer. The new LLCs, on average, offer far lower fares than what old semi-monopolists like Adria once charged. That alone makes flying more affordable to ordinary people and increases traffic. And this brings us to another point: even if they are based somewhere else, airlines pay airport fees and those revenues are taxed. No one is getting anything for free.
DeleteThen there is tourism. With their competitive fares, new airlines bring in more tourists. Note, for instance, the increase in visitors from the UK since easyJet started serving LJU. Adria once flew to LJU as well, but for most leisure travelers, their fares were too high. It was a new airline that helped to increase inbound tourism -- and tax revenue.
If you think that inefficient, heavily subsidized airlines are the way to go, you're forgetting how unpopular Adria was before it went bust: it had lackluster service (to put in mildly), inexplicable delays and cancellations, as well as high fares which caused many Slovenians to look for alternatives abroad.
Guys, you missed the guy's point. He said that all this should have been done by local airlines had they not been destroyed by incompetence. Now we have foreign airlines, flying from our foreign-owned airports taking money out of the country.
DeleteBut I thought our national airlines were full of precious "know-how" that is now being wasted.
DeleteFinally some good news!
ReplyDeleteWhen will the Dublin - Zagreb tickets be available?
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