The newly formed coalition government in Slovenia has dashed hopes of establishing a new national airline to replace the defunct Adria Airways despite two of the three parties that are part of the new cabinet in favour of the notion. In the coalition agreement signed between the three sides, it is noted that a new national airline is not envisaged. However, the trio will analyse appropriate means of support to improve the country’s air connectivity to key destinations “under economically justified conditions”. Two and a half years since Adria’s bankruptcy, Slovenia is still struggling to fill the void left by the airline, which was further exacerbated by the coronavirus pandemic.
The main party in the new coalition government was least in favour of setting up a new national airline, with the two junior partners both previously suggesting that a state-funded carrier would resolve Ljubljana’s connectivity issues. Furthermore, the incoming Minister for Infrastructure, which has been selected from a party that failed to enter parliament, made the creation of a new state airline one of her main campaign policies. Since Adria’s demise in September 2019, the government has attempted to soften its impact by offering subsidies to select airlines already flying to the country to continue doing so. It has also considered using European Union funds to establish a carrier as part of its post-Covid development strategy, however, this was struck down by the block.
Over the past two years, the Slovenian Ministry for Economic Development and Technology has turned down several offers by airlines to either establish the country’s new national carrier or station aircraft in Ljubljana, noting that none would have sufficiently improved the country’s connectivity. Prior to Adria Airways’ bankruptcy in September 2019, Oxford Economics estimated that airlines, airport operators, airport on-site enterprises (restaurants and retail), aircraft manufacturers, and air navigation service providers employed 2.000 people in Slovenia. In addition, by buying goods and services from local suppliers the sector supported another 1.000 jobs. On top of this, the sector was estimated to have supported a further 1.000 jobs through the wages it paid its employees, some or all of which were subsequently spent on consumer goods and services. Foreign tourists arriving by air to Slovenia, who spent their money in the local economy, were estimated to support an additional 21.000 jobs. In total 25.000 jobs were supported by air transport and tourists arriving by air during Adria’s last year of existence, according to Oxford Economics.
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ReplyDeleteSo we will be stuck with this situation for a very long time.
ReplyDeleteWell that’s the end of that chapter.
ReplyDeleteI believe that any dreams about the establishment of a new national air carrier went down the drain when this ambition was not possible to realize with the help of EU recovery funds. Janšas’ government proposed it but was refused by Commission since investment into air transport, and especially short haul flight were (and they still are) outside green orientations for the use of EU recovery funds. Anyway, the fate of this funds is now sealed in Slovenia, it will be mainly used for a number of local, (mainly) infrastructure projects, and the incoming government has very limited space to change anything. The recovery plan has been adopted, any mayor change might put in risk already ensured funds, no one will risk that.
DeleteLufti is happy.
ReplyDeleteDidn't get my hopes up anyway.
ReplyDeleteAs a guy from Slovenia who traditionally voted for left sided government I can say without any doubt, this government will be the worst one so far. Dark times for slovenia, not only for aviation but overall
ReplyDeleteAt least there were slight chance with them, right sided government immediately said that they are against national carrier. But anyway, not good decision for Slovenia..
DeleteActually the left side won only on anti-jansa running and nothing else, there wasn't any discussion at all about the future etc. And now what we got is a progressive triple taxation in the cooalition contract, which is pretty much long-term nationalization of everything, and much more than common people will notice over the next few weeks and months.
DeleteAnd who is guilty for that? The one and only to blame mr Jansa itself..
DeleteThey were the smartest ones who said new carrier will develope.
DeleteAnd now as we all knew didn't happen.
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DeleteBy what logical reasoning did you come to that conclusion???
You do realize (I'm surr you don't but anyway) that Jansa was portrayed as pure evil only by the leftist media? And you and the likes fell for it. Now, the time has come to start dancing. You'll see what pure evil really is (all the people I know who are close to Golob, have nothing nice to say about him). You reap what you sow. Unfortunately, you dragged the rest of us into this shi*.
Heh when someone is writing about Jansa like he's an angel :)
DeleteNot to get political, but the new party is actually attempting to join Renew Europe and given how rich Golob is , the party is becoming the Slovenian version to Czech Ano 2011
Delete@12:55
DeleteDr. Golob, weren't you supposed to be dancing?
@09:29
DeleteJust like Biden and the Democrats in America won 2020 election on Anti-Trump running and nothing else, now since Biden is President he made things much much worse, America is Suffering Horribly from Inflation, Fuel Prices, Crime, Open Borders and etc thanks to that Old Senile Hag with Dementia.
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DeleteSame way Trump was Portrayed as pure evil only by the Leftist-Liberal Media, people had fallen into that hype and now People are waking up what pure evil really is.
Golob is Just Slovenia's Joe Biden but without Dementia.
Not sure a new money loosing airline would have done any good anyway.
ReplyDeleteI think it costs Slovenia more not having a national airline.
DeleteAdria did 150million indirect income for slovenia and they only made less than 10 mio loss.
DeleteAnd people like you say it's nonsence.
Oh really? In best years they had 150 mio EUR total income, not 150 mio pumped into SLO economy. The bulk of the cost (as in vast majority) were aircraft leases, spare parts & fuel. Let me check whick leasing house was slovenian and which aircraft parts producer is based in slovenia. Ou year, right, none. Would also have to check where in slovenia there is a drilling rig & refinery for JET-A1. Must have missed it. Ou right, there is none. Petrol buys it on the global market and sells it with a slight markup. If markup is too high, aircraft gets fueled at the outbound airport. So even less money into slo economy. I mean what fantasies you here on this forum from the copium guys.
DeleteIf I understand correctly you are smarter then guys at Oxford University where they prepared deep analysis on effect of JP bankruptcy.
DeleteSo you are saying that we don't need adria, you are a fu***** marja sarec and other communists.
DeleteIndirect income is when you get turiszs here and they spend money on other stuff that get taxes for country.
Petrol had extremly expensive fuel in slovenia and that was deffinetly why adria had such a lost that's acctualy nothing in aviation.
Arround 2mio euros loss was produced because of petrol. And most of the salaryes were in adria and slovenia got a lot of money out of that. And don't let me even mention lju airport staff and their money... And adria tehnika etc.
If there wouldn't be so many taxes in aviation in slovenia adria would only have arround 3 mio losses and not 7+ so just stop saying bull sh**.
Oh but yes marjan sarec was traveling arround with easyjet and not even with his dear falcon so that's why we didn't need adria...
Stop saying Adria or now even croatia airlines are useless...
@Anon 13:03: Oxford University or Oxford Economics?
DeleteThere's a big difference...
We really don't need it.
ReplyDeleteSays the one who travels probably once a year and even that from ZAG or VCE. Because of people like you we are in this situation.
DeleteA new airline would create jobs, improve connectivity with Europe and the world, generate more tourists. Reason enough to set it up.
DeleteWe absolutely need it..I hope Golob will change his mind in future
DeleteIf it was profitable and feasible (as you say, jobs,tourists, connectivity), it would have already existed. It will be bleeding money hence it is not an option. No government will pass the opportunity to do it if studies show it wont be a money pit
DeleteOf course we need it
DeleteThis is already getting extremely boring.
ReplyDeleteYes it has become boring that we have very few options in Slovenia.
DeleteNo. But that every week we hear about Slovenia national airline.
DeleteMacedonia is the same size as you and doesn't have an airline either, such as many other micro-states.
Ask Macedonians how to they like their schedule when they need connections flights! another expert who's comparing Slovenia and Macedonia/Albania/Kosovo
DeleteWell, beggars can't be choosers.
DeleteYou can't live in a 500.000 city and 2 million country and ask for schedules such as Paris, London, or Dubai.
Yes you can. Luxembug, Cyprus, Malta, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, they all have it
DeleteThey're mostly islands or countries/regions with population much bigger than Slovenia, except for Luxembour, super-rich micro state yet with a tiny airline.
DeletePopulation much bigger than Slovenia? You must be kidding. Baltic states are all around 2 mil, Cyprus and Malta much less, less than million
DeleteExactly.
DeleteWhen you add them it makes 6 million region.
Other are Island states as i said before, with developed year-round tourism.
They also don't have a stellar history when it comes to airlines.
Slovenia has basically the disadvantages of all those States that you mentioned (low population, low business traffic, seasonality) but without their advantages when it comes to civil aviation (diaspora, lack of other transport links, absence of nearby airport hubs, year-round tourism or business ties etc.).
Hence you're proving yourself wrong.
IMHO Ljubljana is very well served considering to its size.
DeleteWith Turkish, Air Serbia, Lufty group plus even FlyDubai i think it's got even more than it deserves.
Well served??? You must be kidding. Well maybe considering the idiots who run this airport it is. It has more than it deserves? What does LJU deserve? One weekly LH cartel flight to FRA? Nothing more? Pure BS
DeleteObviously you are one of those guys who are never wrong 😃 First you say you cannot live in 2 mil country and expect to have services to big european cities/airports, then when I give at least 3 examples, then it doesn't count because combined they have 6 mil. Well, combined Croatia and Slovenia have 6 mil as well. So, what's the point and where is the logic?
DeleteThats the Fraport fanboys, no logic.
DeleteApply the Tirana model and lower the taxes to attract more LCC. Smaller countries and airports really need them to grow. Ljubljana barely has any LCC flights.
ReplyDeleteYou can't compare Tirana and Ljubljana because:
Delete1) Their location
2) Diaspora
So it is much easier to attract LCCs to Tirana than LJU.
Albania has a national airline as well.
DeleteIt's not even worth to reply to those who compare Albania and Slovenia...
DeleteSorry but LCCs have no market in LJU with exception to 1-2 routes.
DeleteThere is also a quite low diaspora in Slovakia, but BTS is a LCC base. If it's a VIE alternative then LJU can be such for VCE
Deletehah...you are funny. Did you check distance between BTS and VIE? and now check distance between VCE and LJU..
DeleteVCE already has LCC alternative airport. It is called "International Airport Treviso A. Canova (TSF)"
DeleteNot to mention VCE is a base for Easyjet, Ryanair and Wizz Air.
DeleteThe current subsidies make absolutely no sense and are ineffective. They are going to have to try harder.
ReplyDeleteYou mean to pay more?
DeleteIt's not about the money. There is a reason almost nowhere can you find subsidies which are aimed at keeping airlines to fly the same routes and frequencies. Most are aimed at attracting new airlines and getting more frequencies and routes.
DeleteI would also make condition for time range when airlines is operating to/out of LJU. You don't need ZRH/BRU/MUC/CDG flights in the middle of the day but in the morning/evening rotations.
DeleteIn order to that someone at the ministry needs to understand how hubs work and what waves are.
DeleteAll of this could have been avoided had they just helped Adria at the time.
ReplyDeleteOnly if the airline was restructured and its debts paid off.
DeleteIt just wasn't worth throwing so much money into it.
DeleteYou are same as AB and MŠ, but now we are fu**.
DeleteAdria had everything we needed, good history, stara alliance membership, crews, training, connections and so many things in backstage that every airline needs (very complicated but well operated by adria)
So hell yeah it would be worth throwing money in to Adria
Creating a new airline in these sort of circumstances is just crazy.
ReplyDeleteDo you really believe "Air Slovenia" would be the only airline to be created?
DeleteThe only crazy thing is that we are on 50% of pre-covid times while others are near to 100%.
DeleteI am against national carrier if foreign airlines will provide decent connectivity as we had before, but till now that was not the case...
Is it possible for AirSerbia to establish base there?
ReplyDeleteNo, as a non-EU airline it can't open a base without approval from Slovenia and then every EU market it would fly to.
DeleteCan't they just register a subsidiary in Slovenia?
DeleteThey can but the subsidiary would have to be owned 51% by a company or person from the EU. They would also then have to get an AOC.
DeleteProtectionism...
DeleteWhere's the free market?
Well, Serbia is free to join the EU, and then Air Serbia can enjoy the European free market and open bases in FRA, MUC, LJU, etc.
DeleteSerbia will never be a member of the EU, and the future of the EU in the coming years is highly questionable. The reason he said "free is free market", is because EU will pressure Serbia and is pressuring Serbia to open market to EU companies while EU is not opening market for Serbian companies. Now you get a wider picture. Serbia should pursue a common European Economic Area Membership like Switzerland or Norway and not the EU itself, since it's a sinking ship, just someone needs to tell them.
DeleteOr better word - feasible?
ReplyDeleteThey turned down offers to improve connectivity?!? They must be joking!
ReplyDeleteAn ex-Yu airline should be created to meet the needs of all the markets. It would be smarter for smaller airlines to merge into a larger one.
ReplyDeleteWith chauvinists for show and Mafia for real, all around ex-yu, it will never happen. Plus we had such an airline some time ago, it was called JAT Yugoslav Airlines and was one of the biggest, and most known european airlines, even worldwide famous. The same people who destroyed it, as well as the country it represented, will never allow the new one to be created as it's against their interests
DeleteYAWN
DeleteIf there were less those who yawn when our sad reality is discussed and don't yawn on reality shows maybe reality could become better. But the same people I was talking about before want you to yawn on this and be delighted with shiny shit they serve you while stealing from you
DeleteI agree with Rijeka guy. We need a strong regional carrier and JAT Jugoslovenski Aerotransport - Yugoslav Airlines would be a nice name since it is well known and can represent South Slavic region. Unfortunately, if those "yawn anonymous" guys stay into power in our concerned countries, and we who know a thing or two remain quiet about it, we won't get far, not only in aviation but in other segments of the economy and daily life. You don't have to look around that much, see around, and you will see constant degradation since 1991 due to "yawn guys".
DeleteToo many boomers here
DeleteWhat's the sandwich today, parizer?
DeleteImagine thinking that an airline with the name JAT Jugoslovenski Aerotransport can be created in this day and age to serve our prosperous countries. You guys live in a different universe, truly
DeleteOur countries are everything but prosperous, my friend, and insulting someone just shows how little a man you are.
DeleteNo one is saying that JAT should be the name, but it's the only logical candidate, which isn't applying to any nation but to an ethnic group.
Unfortunately, due to people like you, for example, something like that isn't possible today, but in a couple of years there is a possibility. Maybe you are a thirteen-year-old kid, so you don't see the wider picture, but eventually you will.
I don't see Air Baltic (Baltic Region) having problems to be formed, or Scandinavian (Scandinavian region) which operates till this day.
I wish you all the best, and one day you will see that you were wrong.
Take care...
So you are comparing Baltic and Scandinavia to Yugoslavia. And that JAT might return in a couple of years. Enough to tell me you are completely deluded. All the best!
DeleteFor people saying we don't need an airline, read the last paragraph
ReplyDeleteOh no, not political parties lying and going against what they promised.
ReplyDeleteBut this is just blatant lying and parties misleading the electorate.
Delete^ Welcome to the real world.
DeleteSo how are these two parties going to explain to their voters that their election promise about setting up a new airline was an empty promise? Maybe someone voted for them just because of that issue.
ReplyDeleteI voted for Bratuskova only because of that...
DeleteI assume many did.
DeleteBratusek has a cover. Her party didn't make it into parliament or government. Its only her that will be in government. She said an airline would be established only if her party was part of the government.
DeleteLets assume that (some) people voted for Bratušek just because of her stance on national airline. And have a look at the election result, she and her party got 31.000 votes or 2,6% of all votes casted. This tells about the support for new national airline from the population. But, lets be honest and also admit that the potential establishment of national airline was not really a topic in the election campaign.
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DeleteAnd your vote counts the same as mine? Like I said the last time, I wonder what the average IQ of Slovenes is?
Lol, expected that. No money for airline while we get a ministry of solidarity future😂 This new government is nothing but a big joke
ReplyDeletecome on they will change so many things “under economically justified conditions” hahahah
DeleteAnd what happens with Pocivaslek or whatever his name is? He was always in favour of some solution for Adrid. Will he be in the new government?
ReplyDeleteAviation is finished in Slovenia. EU is not efficient in anything. And Slovenia is just small rular appendix to Bavaria.
DeleteUnfortunately last anon is correct.
DeleteEasily could be extended to Croatia. Danke Deutschland!
DeleteToo late for new national airline now.
ReplyDeleteIf its to late for national carrier, then what should we do? drive to ZAG/VCE as we did last 2 years and simply accept that as new reality? Or hope for better times to come?
DeleteWhy?
DeleteSlovenia needs a new national airline ASAP.
ReplyDeleteThat was obvious from September 2019!
DeleteWhat could be the alternative that they are talking about?
ReplyDeleteIn short, they will do nothing.
DeleteThey will just keep the status quo.
DeleteSo many routes that were previously served from Ljubljana still remain without an airline.
ReplyDeleteWhich ones?
DeleteCopenhagen, Prague, Pristina, Sarajevo, Skopje, Sofia, Tirana and Vienna
DeleteHow come Austrian never started VIE-LJU like the rest of the LH group? Makes no sense.
DeleteYou also forgot ZRH, BRU, AMS, MUC
DeleteStockholm, Manchester, Tel Aviv, Rome, Athens, Dubrovnik, Split, as well, al these JP used to operate at some point. Plus charters to Greece, Spain, Egypt....
DeleteJust because they operated did not mean they were profitable.
DeleteTrue, but it was never mentioned before nothing about profitability.
DeletePax rarely connect to half the cities you guys are mentioning
Deletemy yes goes to: Stockholm, Athens, Copenhagen, Prague, Skopje, Dublin, Madrid/Lisbon
Balkan apparently found some other routes (at LJU via BEG but not much really)
let's just forget about it...we are talking here about same people that are responsible for collapse of Adria
ReplyDeleteI see opinions are quite divided here
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately Slovenian aviation will continue to stagnate for many many years. I'm not talking about passenger numbers but about the industry in the country in general.
ReplyDeleteThey should just spend the money to subsidize any missing routes. They can scale up or down or pull out at any time.
ReplyDelete+1
DeleteEasier said than done.
DeleteThere are quite a lot of missing routes (BRU, MUC, ZRH, CPH, VIE, PRN, TIA, SKP,...). So we should prepare like 20 m for this year? I know for much cheaper solution...
DeleteHopefully we can lay this idea to rest now once and for all.
ReplyDeleteHmm, I wonder where the dancing troll's supporters are hiding now? They were pretty loud the last time around.
ReplyDeleteHiding? We are still dancing, but unfortunately we will not flying anymore :))
DeleteNice to hear that. Still tap dance or did you switch to Latin American - Venezuelan?
DeleteLook at the bright side: the fewer morning routes, the fewer morning shifts, the more dancing evenings
DeleteThe econmic situation of Slovenia is very good, they have the highest gdp per capita of eastern europe. Slovenia is after Croatia the most touristic country in ex yugo. However most of these tourist come from countries in the region so they are most likely to come by car. Because the economic situation of the Slovenians is good, they can easely afford to go on holiday. But because their country and neighbouring countries have a lot to offer for both summer and winter Slovenians are most likely to go with car on holiday. Slovenia also has a small diaspora which is the biggest reason they are struggeling the most. The people who want to go to a further destination are mosly likely to fly from Croatia or Italy. All these small things have an big impact on the Slovenian aviation industry.
ReplyDeleteAnd all these circumstances havent existed in the last 50 years.
DeleteBanana republic. Nothing else to say.
ReplyDeleteCynics would point out the democratic will of the people that voted for leaders and parties forming new government have no chance against thinly disguised interests of other companies, countries and airlines.
ReplyDeleteHonestly, I cannot think of another EU country with such dire stats. This is just strange.
ReplyDeleteThe passiveness of Fraport is also overwhelming. They could somehow contribute and collaborate with the local authorities and bring ideas or finding alternatives. Slovenia has been officially in the last place in aviation since 2019. This is quite tragic coming from the country with the highest economics in the Balkans.
How about all those more or less intelligent people here on this forum supporting a new Slovenian airine starting a crowd fund for installing a new Air Slovenia. They could buy or lease some aircraft, bring in all their profound aviation knowledge and start all the nice routes they are suggesting here in this forum. Then they could proof, if this airline would be able to fly or if it would just crash. - IMHO such airline won't survive the very first year...!
ReplyDeleteAnd those who need railways create a new fund to build railways, stations... those who want medical care create fund to build hospitals, buy helicopters.. those who want army create fund. Great idea, you are very inteligentni.
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