The companies Melkom and Fabce, which were commissioned by the Slovenian Ministry for Infrastructure to undertake a study on ways to improve the country’s air connectivity have presented their findings which show that launching a new flag carrier could be economically viable. The study acknowledged that the state of the Slovenian aviation sector is currently one of the worst in Europe, while short-term forecasts are also unfavourable, with the number of flights in the next eight weeks expected to stand at approximately the same level as last year despite new carriers launching services to Ljubljana. According to the study, at least 300.000 passengers from Slovenia are using alternative airports outside of the country for their travels.
The study suggests a new national carrier should be established by selecting one of four models: services through an ACMI operator, dry-leasing aircraft, acquiring aircraft or a Public Private Partnership (PPP) between the state and a private entity. The experts concluded that a PPP would be the most desirable option. Furthermore, they determined the carrier should either operate CRJ900 or E175 jets. Alternatively, it could opt for a larger-capacity fleet with the Airbus A220s or the E195s. In terms of network development, the study proposes either eleven destinations with sixty weekly flights operated by a three-member fleet, which would include Brussels (eleven weekly), Frankfurt, Skopje, Pristina and Munich (all daily), Zurich (six weekly), Vienna (four weekly), Amsterdam, Copenhagen and Berlin (all three weekly), as well as Athens (two weekly). Alternatively, it has suggested a network with twelve destinations and 61 weekly frequencies, which would include Madrid and Stockholm (both three weekly) but exclude Munich and see an extra rotation to Copenhagen for a total of four per week.
Proposed network for Slovenia's new national carrier |
The study found that in case of a PPP, the national airline would break-even in its seventh year of operations. The cumulative loss in such a case would reach 35 million euros in the sixth year, and after the tenth year it would amount to 28 million euros. The authors of the study estimated the private partner would have to make an initial capital injection of at least 35 million euros, or seventy million euros in the case of a more ambitious network. According to the study, if both the state and the private partner invested fifty million euros each, the airline would be profitable within ten years. The study further points out that in order for the airline to become profitable, it would have to have an average cabin load factor of 64%, while its fares would have to amount to at least 134 euros. It further stressed the new airline would have to be lean, commercially successful and, at least initially, conservative in its business model.
A separate interdepartmental government taskforce has also found that a national airline, established through a Public Private Partnership, would be the best solution to improving Slovenia’s air connectivity woes in the mid- to long-term. Tanja Šarabon from the Ministry for Infrastructure, who also heads the taskforce, said the Ministry has proposed to initiate procedures for establishing a national carrier as soon as possible. On the other hand, the Minister for Infrastructure, Alenka Bratušek, said if the government adopts the proposed decision to establish a new flag carrier, the airline could launch operations in the summer of 2025 under a "very optimistic scenario".
2025 ?! Lol
ReplyDeleteI agree..the question who is or are the real owner(s) of the airport and is it merely a tax evasion for other enterprises..it won't work....
DeleteNice network but maybe will don't see this ?
ReplyDeleteThey are searching for company which is ready to share loss of 35 mil euros in few years?
DeleteAnd according to this "strategy" loss will decline to 28mil in six years if everything goes according to this "plan"?
I do not believe they will find any serious operator willing to participate in this adventure.
Will don't???
Delete:D
DeleteI hope it works out for them. But breaking into the business is harder and harder every year.
DeleteI thought the best option would be for them to join together with another airline like the others did Iberia/BA/ Air Lingus. or KLM/Air france.
Things are finally moving in the right direction, but why will it take until 2025 under "very optimistic scenario" to launch??
ReplyDeleteBecause they need to find a strategic partner and they need to get EU approval.
DeleteI still think that could be done by summer 24.
DeleteI think she wrongly said 2025 instead of 2024,especially as all projections were done from 1.11.2024 on
DeleteSlovenian CAA will need at least two years to check all the manuals/procedures, approve postholders and issue an AOC. It would be faster to try and buy an external AOC but having an AOC and aircraft registered outside of Slovenia is laughable for a national carrier.
DeleteITA would like to have a word
DeleteITA is a laughable airline, which just proves the point.
DeleteWhat a waste of money! Most of these routes are already operating. Now Air Slovenistan is going to come and just take over. No new passengers are going to be generated from this. They are saying 300k people are leaving for foreign airports? They really don't have any idea what they are talking about. I really feel sorry for Slovenia for having such poor leadership. Ryanair is now flying to Pardubice yet we are going to have Air Slovenistan. How fortunate are we! Thank you, Venice, for being there for us.
Deletestopped reading after Air Slovenistan ...
DeleteEnjoy in Venice, and we will enjoy flying with Air Slovenia. Finally some good news :)
DeleteI do not believe thy will find someone who is ready to loose tens of milions in Air Slovenia. Better to try to tals with Ryanair and Wizz air. Will cost leess and routes will be launched sooner.
DeleteAgain only talkings and ideas not real plans....
ReplyDelete"while short-term forecasts are also unfavourable, with the number of flights in the next eight weeks expected to stand at approximately the same level as last year despite new carriers launching services to Ljubljana. "
ReplyDeleteThis does not sound good. Fully support the establishment of a new national carrier.
It does not sound good because it is wrong. There has been almost 50% growth in passenger numbers and flights since last year. But of course when you are the government, you have to skew reality to sell your ideas...
DeleteLol...50% growth :) compare this year number to 2019 please...
Delete... and this information is related to the NEXT 8 weeks, not previous months...
DeleteTill 2025 other airlines will take all flights and destinations.
ReplyDeleteGreat, the new carrier will not be needed in that case.
DeleteIn 2025 all other airports will be on +50% conpared to pre-covid and we wont be even on 100%. National carrier is more than needed!
DeleteFor what ? For transfers, Albania is the fastest growing market in Europe, Kosovo also, SJJ will get new airline with base, SKP have more new subsidized routes...
DeleteLet's start for people departing/arriving from/to Slovenia. Now we don't have even that..
Delete@11.10 SKP's "subsidized" routes are for 7 euro per pax and not unlimited. Calculate what the others are paying
DeleteNetwork makes sense but only if Lufthansa group stopped their own flights.
ReplyDeleteThat network won't be possible with 3 aircrafts...
DeleteAir Montenegro do it with 2 planes. Slovenia can start with the same
DeleteOf course they can start, but not with such network. To many routes for such small amount of aircrafts :)
Delete4 aircraft will be needed for that at least. And Embraer E190/95 would be a perfect fit.
DeleteSo basically fly to the destinations already served so the likes of LH group pull out of LJU
ReplyDelete"while its fares would have to amount to at least 134 euros."
ReplyDeleteExactly why I don't support an overpriced airline like the one we had before.
Currently tickets to amsterdam with transavia are selling for 200e,flights to FRA are well over 400e (one way) not to mention CDG where tickets are costing upwards of 600s
Delete^ true. Tickets are currently anything but cheap and there is very little LCC presence (less than during Adria times)
DeleteFor me this month (june) it will be cheaper to lease private driver for meetings in Frankfurt
DeleteI don't think i jeed to add anything
* need
DeleteFRA has all flights closed to higher RBD (Y cls). Even for flights much in advance..
DeleteTrue, but only for intra-Europe tickets. They are fully open for connections to long haul flights. It is very obvious which passengers they are interest to.
DeleteThis year or next we will see full p2p resumption?! 2025 the market will be fully acquired by LH Group and other airlines.
ReplyDeletewhile short-term forecasts are also unfavourable, with the number of flights in the next eight weeks expected to stand at approximately the same level as last year despite new carriers launching services to Ljubljana
DeleteLol are you sure?
New LH subsidiary !
ReplyDeleteSLO definitely needs and Slovenian airline, not an LH subsidiary. Repeating the same model as Adria had will yield the same results at the end - loses and bankruptcy.
DeleteI don't know why you concluded this would be an LH subsidiary.
DeleteAnd what was wrong with Adria model? Slovenia had connectivity, passengers..only mistake was to sell JP to 4k.
DeleteIf this new airline is to be government funded and run, will ticket fares be subsidized?
ReplyDeleteThey talked about pre-funding it from the start and letting it run
DeleteSo market prices for tickets?
DeleteThat's the way state sponsored capitalism works.
DeleteInvesting 35-100mil EUR into LH subsidiary is not a wise business move
ReplyDeleteit is not a LH subsidiary.
DeleteLong process but I do think she was just being cautious and it is likely the airline will be ready beforehand. We will see.
ReplyDeleteIt is not as much money as I thought it would be
ReplyDeleteIf LH is somehow involved it will get a green light from the EU without issue.
ReplyDeleteIf new airline acts as a feeder for LH it will have the same destiny as Adria
DeleteI'll be ok with this new airline as log as there are no flights to LH hubs.
Delete* long
DeleteAnd you know that's not going to happen.
DeleteDepends on how quickly they find a partner. Amelia is looking more and more likely (especially as e-jet is mentioned, and the type rating switch is easy to do from e-135/45)
ReplyDeleteFinally there are some serious plans for a new national airline. Good luck and hope this ends well.
ReplyDeleteIt would be good if the private partner is a Slovenian airline, so Solinair or Amelia. Of course I would prefer Amelia.
ReplyDeleteIs it realistic that either of these two would be interested?
DeleteSolinair already presented plans for new national airline 3 years ago
DeleteSolinair is 80% owned by a Turkish company MNG airlines.
DeleteA220 definitely not needed (especially with all the issues they are having). E195s would be the best option in my opinion.
ReplyDeleteSo why didn't the government accept Solinair's offer several years ago which was more or less almost the same as the proposal made now?
ReplyDeleteDifferent government, different priorities
DeleteAlso should be taken into account that the aviation industry was in a state of collapse at the time because of Covid and recovery wasn't expected for years and years.
DeleteActually Solinair said Covid was a big advantage for them to set up an airline at the time. They were right.
DeleteIt will not happen as it is nonsense. No private investor will waste his money for a guaranteed loss maker and EU wont allow government funds. If todays political class has an idea, it is mostly BS. Or do u still hear politicians talking sense? Lets focus on realistic scenarios and not waste time on politicians and all their BS talk
ReplyDeleteWell it was actually an analytics company that did this study. Not politicians.
DeleteIf a company does a study for the government u know how it usually ends, especially in our region where ties between politics and such companies can be very close.
DeleteAnalytics company partly owned by a politican Jože P. Damijan - this tells you everything about the credibility of the study.
DeleteIt is BS.Absolutely the same BS as Croatia Airlines and BCG analytics and consultance.Tailored money laundry
DeleteI fully belive that there will be a lot of airlines who will be interested in the proposal namely:
ReplyDeleteAmelia, Solinair, Cityjet, maybe even Aegan and Turkish (Turkish has Albania air and Aegan Animawimgs)
I hope so but I fear it will be like the interest for the subsidies.
DeleteI'm pretty sure talks are already ongoing, otherwise they wouldn't be so confident
DeleteI hope it’s Aegean or Turkish that would be way more professional
DeleteShould have all been done in 2019.
ReplyDeleteWe were being told that the market will take care of itself and that everything will be great and dandy without Adria.
DeleteI don’t see Skopje and Pristina as daily. Why? LJU will never again be the hub between Balkans and Western Europe.
ReplyDeleteI don't agree with that, there is still more than enough demand to carry transfers as well.
DeleteSince the collpase of Adria, Air Serbia increased their operations to Skopje, Lufthansa launched 10 weekly rotations, Pegasus increased, plus we have daily to Warsaw and double daily to Istanbul and Vienna. And the only reasonable route this new slovenian carrier will offer is AMS, and i am sure there is more then enough carriers whichs offer connceting flights to AMS from SKP. Not to mention that Wizz Air will have daily flights to Eindhoven and Brussele, as well as 10 weekly to Dortmund, plus four weekly to Cologne and three weekly to Luxembourg. This is more then enough. Also, till 2025 maybe we will get AMS flights. So, daily flights by this airline and three weekly by Wizz ( which until then can be increased on four ) are not needed between SKP and LJU.
Deleteand yet 1 week after Wizz scheduled 3 rotations weekly, price per ticket increased from 23€ to 80€ on most of the flights
DeleteBut, also from ZRH to PRN you had 10 departures per day and still you could get plenty of transfers via LJU. Then you have CPH, FRA, MUC.. those are all strong ethnic destinations.
Delete@11.05 what a nonsence coveku! So lets forbid every other airine to start flights to Skopje then? All legacies at SKP are expanding despite Wizz opening new routes. Its a parallel market. Must be very limited to think a daily CR9 couldnt be filled with transfer pax to ZRH and the likes ...
DeleteAlso we have 10 weekly flights to Zurich from Skopje with A320s. We have direct flight to FRA as well to CPH, VIE and BER. And for Munich, if anybody dont want to use W6, i am sure there is enough options to choose for connceting flight.
Deletejust lol
DeleteI am yet to see the study itself, but from what I heard from people attending its govt presentation it is bs. It is based on data and situation from 4 years ago, not taking into account current developments and state and there was no study into why Adria went downhill. And all that with support of people, who actually pushed or helped pushing it into abyss....
ReplyDeleteOf course it's bs, but at least they did something for start, otherwise we would stay at same spot for several years. At least they start moving now...
DeleteAnd regarding reasons for Adria bankruptcy.. If you will give this task to 10 different people, you will also get 10 different reasons why JP went bust.
In my opinion one and only reason is that Slovenia did not make enough for national carrier to be profitable as every country is helping their own carriers (once again, not through incentives).
If Adria could not make money with CRJs at the time, the new project will have to take into account rising fuel costs going forward (EU mandates for SAF blending, emission trading scheme, etc). The E175 may not be an optimal answer to that...
ReplyDeleteIn the exYu they kept brainwashing everyone how the Slovenes were the smartest!!!
ReplyDeleteAnd they were. Business wise. But now we have new situation. Smarter ones we work for, singing at the same time Danke Deutschland!
DeleteUna nueva telenovela : Aerolinea Slovenia !
ReplyDeleteComedia, drama, catastrofa ..
It is not at all certain that the government will approve yesterday's proposals. Klemen Boštjančič, the former CEO of Adria and the current Minister of Finance, who is very close to the Prime Minister, believes that the state is not an institution capable of properly managing such a company. A private partner or some strategic partner is the only one who can do it. Boštjančič said that he is once again surprised by some of his colleagues who explain how various projects can easily be funded from public funds. When he commented on tourism, he mentioned that tourists were not frequent passengers on Adria flights and said that a lower ticket price is needed for a tourist product, which is more difficult to achieve with smaller planes, which are significantly more expensive per seat. Due to limited marketing resources, it is also more difficult for smaller companies to achieve recognition among travelers in foreign markets.
ReplyDelete+1
Delete"When he commented on tourism, he mentioned that tourists were not frequent passengers on Adria flights and said that a lower ticket price is needed for a tourist product, which is more difficult to achieve with smaller planes, which are significantly more expensive per seat"
DeleteWhat a nonsense. There are not only tourists on LCC but we know about boutique tourist as well. We miss both, but first segment of tourist normally use airports in ZAG/VCE and then ground transport to Slovenia. Second segment of tourist simply won't come to Slovenia and that's what hotel managers explained several times.
Most important part is probably this. "A private partner or some strategic partner is the only one who can do it. Boštjančič said that he is once again surprised by some of his colleagues who explain how various projects can easily be funded from public funds." That means that there will be no new company without private co-investment.
DeleteAs a side note, from the 21 Slovenians I personally know, who live in Ljubljana or near Ljubljana, in the past 4 years, 11 used Italian airports for their travel, 2 used Ljubljana and 10 never travelled by air. Today Saturday I travel ZRH to FCO and my Slovenian friend drives fm LJU area to TRS and takes there AZ to FCO.
DeleteBut is that a good example? TRS will always be better connected with FCO, even if some airline would start flying directly to/from LJU (likely not on a Saturday, though), so living within driving distance of TRS will always encourage that drive.
DeleteNeoliberal economic theory and its adjacent PPP program is not the way to restore reliable air connectivity or re-establish a national carrier. Indeed, these are the very things that destroyed Adria Airways. Flawed advice from a dubious entity. 🤦🏻♂️
ReplyDelete100%🛫🌐✈
DeleteI would be scared to fly with slovenian airline. They don’t even have pilots already for many years. Do they really need an airline?
ReplyDeleteHere it goes the award for the dumbest comment. Congrats!
DeleteI don't know how public opinion sensitive is current Slovenian government but according to today's Delo "almost three quarters of respondents do not want a loss-making carrier". The idea of a new national carrier is most welcomed by demographic groups that hardly ever use an airline :)
ReplyDeleteIt's not just about public opinion, even in the ruling coalition only one - the same one that mostly politically controlled Adria - out of three parties openly supports the idea of a new national carrier, the entire opposition is against it. It seems that the Finance Minister's loud and decisive public warning to Minister Bratovšek that public funds are limited and need to be directed to the key priorities of this government, e.g. reform of the public health system, is crucial.
DeleteIf it is true that the same political option that mostly controlled Adria in the past is behind the idea of a new airline, this is an alarm sign at the very beginning.
DeleteThe other two comments are absolutely relevant and I wouldn't be surprised if the government would give a green light to Bratovšek for stratigic partner option but at the and nothing will happen. So, it will looks like there was a try to do it but due to no interest from private company nothing can be done.
DeleteHopefully they select the A220-100s.
ReplyDeleteHow would the new airline secure slots in AMS? The airport is full and existing airlines there will be forced to reduce operations as the Dutch government reduces the number of permitted flights. Flying to AMS is impossible.
ReplyDeleteI have no doubts about the study's conclusions about the current state of air connectivity in Slovenia, but the recent so called subsidy programme was useless. Why not do that properly instead?
I am not convinced that the study was done by people with aviation expertise. Have they considered the higher seat cost of regional aircraft on routes where competing airlines fly larger equipment?