Ryanair operates in four out of seven markets in the former Yugoslavia, the exceptions being Slovenia, Macedonia and Kosovo. Wizz Air is currently the largest low cost carrier in Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, Macedonia and Serbia, with Ryanair having the upper hand in Croatia and Montenegro. This will change next year, as Ryanair will overtake Wizz Air in Bosnia and Herzegovina to become the country’s largest airline after it announced the launch of five new routes to Sarajevo. It will have close to 400.000 seats on the Bosnian market in 2024, ahead of second-placed Turkish Airlines and third-placed Pegasus Airlines.
Ryanair has significantly increased its presence in Croatia over the past few years with the opening of its base in Zagreb, as well as its seasonal base in Zadar. This will be further cemented with the opening of its base in Dubrovnik next summer. Next year, Ryanair will maintain its position as the largest airline in Croatia, growing its offer to 4.5 million seats, almost double that of second-placed Croatia Airlines. However, it faces greater headwinds on other markets. Almost a decade ago, Ryanair announced it would launch flights to Skopje in a direct challenge to Wizz, however, these plans were scrapped for unspecified reasons. The airline has also stagnated in Serbia with its operations out of Niš, while it does not operate to Pristina where Wizz Air became the airport’s largest carrier by passengers handled last year. Despite talks between Ryanair and the Slovenian government, it has not found a solution to enter the market, the only in the European Union it still does not serve.
Ryanair says it will “catch up to Wizz Air” in the region. "We see that Central and Eastern Europe was a little bit left behind over the last years. So, we want to catch up in this region to catch it up with our most developed markets like Spain, Italy or Poland. We plan to do it with delivering more routes and better fares and more travelling choices for our passengers”, Ryanair said.
They still have work ahead of them to overtake Wizz.
ReplyDeleteDon't think they have a lot of market space left at exyu airports. Wizz has taken huge portion and without direct route competition on many markets there is simply not enough of space for both of them.
DeleteAgree. Ryanair discovered many of Balkan countries way too late.
DeleteThat's why it's called a plan.
DeleteGoing from BAD to WORSE
DeleteThat's a question of time. Ryanair is much stronger in comparison with Wizz
DeleteRyanair has stronger balance sheet since it is bigger airline, but other then hand a321ceo has lower CASK then 737-800 and a321neo has lower CASK then 737-8-200. We will see but non of the airline is going to sacrifice profit for market share if they can find new untapped markets.
DeleteWhile easyjet can't find the region on the map.
ReplyDeleteWhat are you talking about?? easyJet flies to Ljubljana, Pula, Rijeka, Zadar, Split, Tivat, Dubrovnik, Pristina, Skopje and Belgrade!
DeleteIt also sells connecting flights to Zagreb and Podgorica. So it literally flies to every Ex-Yu airport except Osijek, Ohrid, Nis, and the Bosnian airports.
DeleteHe didnt mean that easy doesnt fly to the Balkan, he ment that easyjet has only a few routes to this region.
Delete@anon 09:38
DeleteCan you please explain me how easyJet sells connecting flights to Zagreb and Podgorica?
Once you type ZAG in their search machine no city can be flown from Croatian capital.
@9.53 exactly and mostly swiss routes
Delete@10:13 on the app it shows automatically so long as you do not deselect "worldwide" which is automatically applied anyway. Just Google "worldwide by easyJet" and you will see that tickets are on sale to Zagreb via Athens.
DeleteLol that doesn't mean that they fly there or have any meaningful presence
DeleteImpressive that they become biggest airline in BiH next year already.
ReplyDeletelol it didnt take a lot to become BiH biggest airline
DeleteI don't see Ryanair being able to expand too much in ex-Yu due to high taxes, for their standards, across the board.
ReplyDeleteWell they came to Zagreb who was known for its high taxes. Yes, they came when taxes for them were lowered, as they usually do. Also I don't believe taxes in western Europe are lower than in ex-Yu...
DeleteTrue, you make a good point
DeleteZagreb and Belgrade have higher airport fees than most Western European airports.
DeleteYes, they have higher fees than Hahn. But Hahn is in the "league" with Niš and it's more expensive. When you compare first-tier airports with first-tier airports, and second-tier airports with respective airports in the region, you'll hardly find that western airports are cheaper than regional.
DeleteBoth Zag and Beg are in ownership of french companies and let airlines resolve that there!
DeleteFrench are just on paper in ZAG. The airport ia run by Turkish TAV.
DeleteBoth Zag and Beg are in ownership of citizens of Croatia and Serbia. They are just currently operated by foreign companies.
DeleteWe are waiting for them in BEG.
ReplyDeleteAnd Ljubljana!
DeleteI don't understand why they are not flying London Stansted - Ljubljana
DeleteEasyjet used to fly from Stansted, Luton and Gatwick at the same time to Lju.
DeleteAs a Slovenian, I don't want them in LJU. We are better than that.
Deletelol
Delete@9:12 - and why don't you want them? Oh, let me guess. I bet you ever haven't used them. But yeah, better hail Babett and the high fares in LJU to fill LH Group's thick pockets and fly via Doichlant.
Delete09:12. I agree with you. It's a shame Croats and Bosnians and British can't also see that and ban Ryanair completely.
Deleteguys, dont be triggered by stupid comments
Delete@9:18 exactly. I'm glad I never flew with them since I like to travel as a person, not like a livestock.
DeleteLets be honest, the last thing slovenian tourism needs is drunken irish people with low budget.
Maybe if you are not snob you will perfectly fit in the seats of Ryanair. Because all of you want to travel like a “person”, Slovenia can not be found on the map.
DeleteThat's why is so nice to visit Slovenia without low-cost tourism by Ryanair. Slovenia deserves better clientele.
DeleteI agree with this tourism strategy. That's why Ryan's Dubrovnik base puzzles me. They simply don't need it in Dubrovnik.
Delete@10:06 What?? Better clientele? Lower your standards buddy as well as your big ego. Ryanair literally flies to all major tourist countries in Europe. So you want to tell me that Italy, Portugal, Spain, France, UK, Germany and many more have cheap clientele or what? This is one of the most stupid comments on this blog EVER.
Delete@Anon 10:21 and do you think the quality of tourists is good in Spain or Portugal?
DeleteItaly, Portugal, Spain, France, UK, Germany don't have just cheap clientele because they have many many legacy flights including intercontinental. Ryan is flying mainly with a low/mid-income tourists; I hope that's not a novelty for you. You think wealthy tourists coming to France with Ryan? No, drunk Brits are coming with Ryan, wealthy tourists come with Lufti or AA, Delta, Air China etc.
DeleteOn the topic of Ryanair...FR has a bad history of making airports overly reliant on them exclusively while also having them pay some of FR's fees like in advertising
Deleteand the last thing I'd want is for LJU to become an LCC slave
You're making no sense. Any tourist flying to Portugal, Spain, France, UK, Italy and lately Croatia too, isn't exactly low income because they need to stay at these places and none of them are cheap.
DeleteAlso why would a typical mid class European tourist pay exorbitant ticket price with Lufthansa or British Airways for what's usually a 45 min. up to 1.5 hour flight, when they can better spend that money at their destination??
Doesn't even matter how wealthy you are. If you aren't wealthy enough to arrive with your own yacht or a private jet, everyone else remotely rational will sooner pay a 50€ ticket for an hour on the plane, rather than 500€.
50 eur in high season?
Delete"why would a typical mid class European tourist pay exorbitant ticket price with Lufthansa or British Airways..." Well, that's the thing, not every destination has to be dominantly for "typical mid class European tourist". There's something called sustainable tourism and if Slovenia is into it, I'm supporting it. They have an amazing country, why attack them if they just want to stay like that instead of having drunk Brits all over the coast?
DeletePrestigious, no Ryanair, no LCC, we are better than that, we are not Balkans, we have never been ex-yu ; there is good Slovenian word which explains it : malomescani
DeleteWe had only one type of joghurt in Yugoslavia 🤣🤣🤣
Deleteah the smiley guy
Deleteas a fellow slovenian i absolutely support ryanair, i'm tired of driving to zagreb or venice or trieste or vienna, it's a hastle honestly, i've flown with ryanair over 50+ times in the past years and before with wizzair when it was in Ljubljana...for anything below 2 hours it is absolutely fine, for above 4 hours if you don't have an empty seat comfort is low, but for the price more than worth it. so i fully support "drunk irish" tourists coming to slovenia with ryanair or any other LCC, any tourism however the budget is good for slovenia :) So I really do hope that Ljubljana gets Ryanair soon otherwise gonna have to keep driving down to ZG :(
Delete@10:28 and @10:32 Have you even traveled anywhere in your life? Or you are one of those typical slovenians which dont travel except with travel agencies on some 10 places in Europe? Do you realise that Slovenia has the poorest connection with Europe out of all of the countries on this continent? So if i come to Ljubljana with Ryanair or with Wizz Air from Skopje for 20 euros then i am not welcomed because i am not rich enough? What nonsense are you talking about??? Any travel here like me will never spend 300 euros on LH connecting flight, first becasue it is expensive and as someone else here ( smart thanks god ) said, i can spend those 250 euros on something else which is actually better because the money will then go to your country, to your GDP ( if you ever heard of that of course ), and thats better then spending the money on some german carrier ( it could be slovenian but sorry you dont have any ). Second, travelers dont like to spend much time in the airports trying to catch a connection as the whole trip takes too long overall. Dont think that you are different and the best cause the best countries in Europe have Ryanair, Wizz Air, Eurowings, easyjet, Vueling and so on. Also, if all English people used BA and Virgin Atlantic then Jet2 and TUI are flying empty planes all time time dont they?
DeleteI'm 10:32 and I'm not Slovenian. I travel cca 10 times per year, including with Ryanair. The topic was tourism strategy, and I am against using LCC as main source of tourism in Slovenia. It's not sustainable and I saw with my own eyes that Slovenia cares about sustainable development. They do it in a good fashion, not compromising their GDP. It's not easy to find that balance but that's the way to go. I also prefered Gorenje tech compared to this new Chinese thing. Don't go for heavy mass options, you are not that big, and there's enough market for what you are selling.
Delete10:06, You will be surprised to learn that some MEPs in Europe do use Ryanair as an airline, not just to minimise the taxpayer's money, but because it is faster and cheaper and most importantly very reliable and safe airline. Read the trip report from last Sunday, if you missed the news, where some dude paid £12.99 from Stansted to Zagreb. Of course, only a small bag on your back and you are good to go. What more do want during a short city-break especially if you are a man....
Deletehttps://www.exyuaviation.com/2023/12/trip-report-ryanair-london-stansted.html
Was that even possible only 4-5 years ago when the prices to and from London extremely high and abusive?
I do get your point that Ryanair also brings "trash and poorer tourists" but this is not a rule. Some people in smaller towns or cities are also richer than others in capitals. If their airport is close to where they live, they will fly with Ryanair. If there is a neighbouring city nearby, they will use Ryanair to avoid being charged 3 times higher for example. Plus, Slovenia enjoys a lot of tourists but luckily still not a victim of massive tourism like in Spain, France, Italy and now Turkey and Greece. I don't know, praising a place like Antalya where tourists spend 1 day only because of the extreme traffic congestion and hailing the huge numbers is not something to be proud of, especially if your country has a really bad economy like the one in Turkey. So, I understand what you mean by "clientele". Still, Slovenia is the last not only in ex-YU, but probably in EU when it comes to air connectivity.
And again, do you think 12.99 is the price that covers the cost of that flight? And do you think 12.99 is the final price you pay for that flight? There's no free lunch in economy, and there's no good lunch for 12.99. Think just one step further than the 12.99 price and you'll realise that someone has to pay the difference. It will be your co-passenger who pays extra for legroom, your airport who scraps the taxes for the airline, your governement with their incentives... At the end you will be the one who will pay the difference together with some guy who works 10h a day for his family and has never travelled anywhere. And when his kid wishes to educate and work in aviation, he'll have to travel abroad. He can only be a cook or a waiter home. Why? Because people believed the plane ticket price is only 12.99. Sad story.
DeleteIt's so sad I'm literally crying. From now on I will only fly Lufthansa
DeleteThank you. Not my favorite but, at least, with them the price pays only the one who actually flies. That's fair.
Delete15:56, which European airline (legacy) offers "free lunch" in economy because I can hardly think of a very few ones. Even your favourite LH and OS became another low-cost with no free catering and luggage only fares in Europe. Some give you a small sandwich, others a bag of crisps but "lunch"....yes, okay you and I might end up paying his 12,99 but he will also pay another 50 for a hotel, pay another 1-3 to take the bus or train or metro, will probably buy something from the vending machine, etc, etc
DeleteIf we begin with this mentality, we can reach eternity. And no, the price from Zagreb to London is neither 300€ for a RT ticket nor are all the 189 Ryanair seats 12.99 but barely 10% of them. But thank you for your "concerns". Luckily, Ryanair do not have you as their consultant because they create also so many indirect jobs by offering a 12.99 ticket. Even the hotel receptionist or the Airbnb owner.
Great point last anon. Even more so when the incentives or discounts are offered by airports not even operated by the state.
Delete"There's no free lunch" is expression used in economy to say that nothing is for free even if it is given as gratis. It's not about food served on flight.
Delete@20:08 I'm crying and laughing at the same time. "The free lunch" is a basic economics concept (and quote). Don't comment on economics if you don't know about it.
DeleteRyanair will never come to Macedonia, because Wizz is dominating
ReplyDeleteVidećemo i to...
DeleteI am a little afraid that ryanair may come. That wont end well
DeleteNot in SKP, but yes in OHD. There is room for many new routes, even seasonal.
Delete@15.04 if they come then SKP. Wizz is showing them its working
DeleteYes, but OHD would be nice right? People from SKP can come and use it for cheaper fares :D ;) heheeh
DeleteWishing Ryan a lot of success
ReplyDeleteIt's time for Ryan to open a permanent base in Zadar.
ReplyDeleteIs there enough demand during winter?
DeleteNo, there's like 3-4k passengers in November or something like that. Ryan will shorten the winter season but no way they launch year-round flights in Zadar. They don't fly empty.
DeleteWill the DBV base be seasonal or year round?
ReplyDeleteYear round it seems, but with limited operations in winter.
DeleteThe base is seasonal. The year-round routes are not operated with abased aircraft.
Delete"Next year, Ryanair will maintain its position as the largest airline in Croatia, growing its offer to 4.5 million seats, almost double that of second-placed Croatia Airlines."
ReplyDeleteSad
As someone from Croatia I can tell you it is the exact opposite of sad. It is wonderful. OU does not fly anywhere and is way too expensive even on the few feeding routes it has.
DeleteThat's a short-term thinking. Will Ryan fly from Zagreb when some new Covid hits the planet? Will they invest in Croatian pilots, mechanics, etc? Will they fly year-round from other airports in Croatia? Will they stick and promote the destination when it goes south or they'll swich Zadar with some Palanga?
DeleteWhen when when, what a silly kind of comment
DeleteThe only silly thing is thinking that 50 eur fare is the final price you and society pay.
Delete"Will Ryan fly from Zagreb when some new Covid hits the planet?"
DeleteI bet they would, if government gave them as much money as they gave OU.
Do we know how much state money Ryanair gets through tourist boards, advertising mambo jambos and other city/municipality joint projects? Do you deserve one (1) free repatriation flight for that money?
Delete@09:40 And where exactly did Croatia Airlines fly during covid? Nowhere. One daily flight to Frankfurt. What use was that?
DeleteCroatia Airlines gets crazy amounts of money every year and flies nowhere. You literally cannot use them. You cannot even do a day trip to Dubrovnik or Split most days of the week. You cannot get to Berlin. You cannot fly to Dublin which has the most mobile Croatia diaspora in Europe. You cannot fly to Rome directly.
DeleteAnd for all of this, it gets millions of euros. I cannot believe you are defending it.
Cmon, it's impossible to defend OU, they are notorious. It is sad governement allowed and allows that state of OU. But that is not an argument in favor of LCC, that's just the argument against the way Croatia manages its legacy carrier for years and decades. And it is, as original poster wrote, sad because the pax are there. Croatia doesn't need, or shouldn't need Ryanair to have good connectivity. Croatia should do it on their own, with their own legacy carrier and local private businesses. That's what all the comments are about, at least mine.
DeleteAirport Morava maybe have opportunity to welcome Ryanair. After upgrading runway and tarmac.
ReplyDeleteAnd political will. Let see. 😀✈🌐🛬🇷🇸✈
and build a new airport
DeletePolitical will?? What is that supposed to mean?
DeleteAnd get return on investment in 200 years.
DeleteIt's not 200 years investment, comunity around will benefit a lot and much sooner of the run away would be rebuilt soon. Is the project done? When it it planned?
DeleteThere is no community around. That train passed away. The airport would serve for diaspora purposes and nothing else.
Delete"Ryanair is the only major European airline to significantly grow traffic post-Covid, particularly in the Balkans, where other airlines have stopped growing, are cutting routes, and reducing traffic."
ReplyDeleteGreetings from Air Serbia.
"It added, “We want to focus very much on this region. We see that this is going to be a large part of our upcoming expansion”."
As long as you ignore the biggest and the most important airport in the region you can't say you actually focus fully on the region. Maybe you do focus on subsidies some airports / countries in the region offer, but in Belgrade you surely let big portion of the market to the competition (W6) that has proven growth in BEG can be achieved with regular, commercial prices airport offers.
Maybe once you will realize that you are making a big mistake in Serbian capital, but at that time W6 will have already 5+ planes in Belgrade base and you will need much, much more money to invest it in order to catch up with them.
Or you can continue ignoring it, looking others earn the money in Belgrade and pretend you "concentrate on the region".
- Air Serbia is not "major European airline" by any criteria. It's now mid-sized, at best.
Delete- Ryan has something like a billion profit each year, they are much more profitable enterprise than anything Serbia has created ever (with exception of EPS maybe, although it's becoming sad business story too). Teaching Ryan business is funny, to put it nicely.
- Air Serbia is a regional airline, the biggest and most important in the ex Yu region they are talking about here. And they surely do not reduce traffic or stopped growing. And to Ryanair Air Serbia is next to Wizz, bigger "threat" in the region than any other airline. So excluding them from this story would be funny, to put it nicely.
DeleteNumber of offered seats in the ex Yu region in October 2023
Wizzair 604.496
Air Serbia 459.746
Ryanair 322.037
- We are talking here about Ryanair in the region, not Ryanair globally. So, the fact that they know how to make money in Ireland or Spain does not mean automatically that they do not behave foolish when it comes to Belgrade.
Well, this guy was very clear, I'll quote it again: "Ryanair is the only major European airline to significantly grow traffic post-Covid..." You decided, not me, to respond to this quote and you labeled it as a lie. It is not: Ryan is the only major European airline to significantly increase traffic post-Covid. Yes, there are other European airlines that grow traffic and JU is one of them, at the top maybe. It's just not a major European airline. And Ryan plays in that league, of course they look first what LH or AF do. Our region and Air Serbia is like 20th topic at their board meeting. They have much more important markets and battles. It's the same for almost every other /major/ business - our region is peanuts for them.
DeleteYou stopped quoting at the time he mentioned "particularly in the Balkans" and that is the crucial part here as this ex Yu aviation blog and not a European one. And in the ex Yu region Air Serbia is right after Wizz and in front of "major European airline" called Ryanair, no matter if someone likes it or not.
DeleteI have no doubts that their main concerns in Europe are LH, AF, IB, BA etc...but if they talk about Balkans (and we see here that they do even if it is on 20th place of their priorities) they must talk about Air Serbia as the biggest legacy carrier in former Yugoslavia and one of their biggest competitors in this region.
As you can see in the article, they must not talk about what you want to hear, but about what they want to say. Same as any other entity, human or legal. You, or anyone else, don't have power to decide on what people will talk about or not.
DeleteAnon 10:37 - he stopped quoting yes but that doesn’t change anything… even if u include the balkan part it means that Ryanair it he only BIG airline that grew in the region. JU is simply out of this league atm.
DeleteRyainair and Air Serbia do not compete on any single route. Why would they be considered as competitors, and biggest? I can see them competing for some same pax in Montenegro, let's say, but even that is a strech. Ryainair competes with different airlines on different regional markets.
Delete@anon 11:03
DeleteThe main focus is here growing in Balkan and not on being big carrier.
Nobody ever said that JU belongs to big carriers globally but in the region surely yes.
@anon 11:04
If someone wants to fly from SOF to ZAG they would surely look for the options FR offers but JU as well. It is the same situation with Romania, Poland, Czechia and Hungary (Zadar) , Malta, Cyprus, Montenegro, Greece (Zagreb) etc...
The guy didn't mention OU neither, and they fight with them directly and agressivelly. OU is bigger competitor for Ryanair than JU is. Yet no one is making fuss about him not mentioning Croatia Airlines. Why? Because you can't decide on what other people will talk about.
DeleteOf course, JU cannot be ignored as an airline in the Balkans. Thing is, that FR are now the first in BiH and Croatia, so they have 4 markets left. The article clearly says:
Delete"This will change next year, as Ryanair will overtake Wizz Air in Bosnia and Herzegovina to become the country’s largest airline after it announced the launch of five new routes to Sarajevo"
With 3 bases in Croatia as well. So, those figures we see today will be quite significant next year. If they step more seriously in MK or SR they need to work harder. Also do not forget MNE, they have 8 routes from TGD but still something. They might consider a base there similar to DBV. You never know. TGD-KRK will be operated 5 weekly in summer from April to October, which is a lot. Still, JU can definitely not be neglected. Also JU have a good coverage in the Croatian coast and already doing not only capitals but secondary cities in Europe: OPO, KRK, VAR, VLC which is not bad at all. f they had more planes, they would surely expand more but their recent expansion was quite significant and important.
Every time a Ryanair story comes up, someone from Serbia jumps to the comments to diss Ryanair for not flying to Serbia. It is an extraordinary display of human psychology.
DeleteTrue that (although Ryan flies to Serbia-INI). Specially if they make a statement not mentioning Air Serbia. How dare they?
DeleteRyanair does not fly to Serbia?
DeleteAre you for real?
“Ryanair is the only major European airline to significantly grow traffic post-Covid, particularly in the Balkans, where other airlines have stopped growing, are cutting routes, and reducing traffic"
ReplyDeleteIf we consider Romania Balkan, they definitely failed there in TSR, CLJ, IAS and OMR. TSR was closed due to poor performance. They also tried with the domestic Romanian routes and did not succeed. Also, in Romania LCC competition is really tough especially with Blue Air at the time. Also with Dan Air and HiSky, there will be little chances for them to be number 1 in Romania. Poland does not have many LCCs like Romania does.
In Bulgaria, they failed in BOJ as W6 already will take over next summer and still have 3 planes based in VAR since 2017. W6 also responded to them in PDV on the London route but FR will launch MAN this weekend and negotiating for a 3rd UK route next winter. However, in SOF they will have a number of daily flights next summer, but still W6 has 7 planes vs their 3 and work very well with local tour operators on leisure routes. Similar to MK, gasto routes in SOF are basically "covered".
In Serbia, will keep repeating this forever....they NEED to launch BEG. London is not the best destination to begin with, because it never performed well in BEG (most likely because of visas and super high prices) but they can try more of Switzerland, Germany, Scandinavia, definitely more of Spain and Portugal and perhaps WMI, PRG and BTS. In INI, they seem to be quite quiet.
In SKP, don't think W6 will ever "allow" them, plus they probably already have ties with the government for many years and securing more subsidies. They may try with OHD, but it has been stagnating for years now as an airport but this can change if they decide.
In PRN, dunno if they can step their either with the already determined strong gasto traffic by 2-3 dodgy airlines dominating its market to 2-3 countries. But, after visa liberation in a couple of weeks things might change. It would be interesting to see.
In LJU, definitely STN, MAN and DUB could easily work out as a start because they are very strong there and well known in those airports. However, with ZAG increasing it might be difficult but not impossible. STN is a huge market for EU countries.
Finally, in HR they will obviously be number 1 next year. Will be really interesting how OU will react especially with the arrival of their A220s and if they will choose to expand eastwards for instance. The coast is already getting more and more competitive including PUY. They definitely lost ZAD and DBV for good. It is also hard to rely on transfer traffic to Europe via ZAG from the coast, because there are simply way too many options in summer to fly direct plus domestic market in HR is quite small. OU really need to come out with good ideas. They have a good logo, part of Star Alliance, the fleet will be quite good but this LH "reliance" is too much. Perhaps consider code-shares with IB or strengthen London slots with interline agreements with DL, UA. Maybe work harder in CDG for more transfer traffic. Their passiveness is sometimes very strange.
Conclusion, it will take FR some good time to dominate in the Balkans, plus the "older generation" of the 2000s still remember and use Wizzair because they are simply for quite a longer time in the Balkans. Varadi is not stupid and knows the Balkans and Eastern Europe very well.
Fully agree, especially about Belgrade.
DeleteYou snooze, you lose.
W6 at SKP has the lowest financial support in the region by far, keep on dreaming especially about "ties" with the government. If there is one airline in the region with ties to the government that must be JU, followed by the two other exyu carriers
Delete^ did you ever stop to think why Ryanair over night decided not to start its planned new routes to Skopje?
Delete11:24 State owned airlines have ties with the government you say? Who would have thought
Delete@11.30 yes because Wizz attacked them with opening new routes when the then PM announced that he was in talks with them
DeleteYeah and Ryanair is known to back down as soon as Wizz Air opens new routes...
Deletewell they went to INI and opened exactly those routes BER, ARN and Bergamo to no success as we see now
DeleteBelgrade is still not considered as city break destination in many markets Ryan operates. They would bring new type of passengers for sure. Unfortunatelly they would also start "stealling" pax from JU, Wizz and others, so I don't see Ryan's coming to Belgrade as win-win option at this moment. They are not coming to be second player on the market, anywhere. And I'm afraid they would have to satisfy with that position in Belgrade, which they just don't want to.
ReplyDeleteI don't think airlines care that much about being first or second as long as they're making enough money.
DeleteAlso being considered a city break destination is not the key criteria for launching flights. Belgrade is no tourist hot spot, but neither is Sofia yet they were willing to go up against Wizz there cause there was a market there. This year showed BEG has evolved as a market with so many non traditional leisure destinations being launched both by Wizz and Air Serbia, so there's enough demand from local tourist to travel to new destinations Ryanair can offer in BEG
Belgrade is a city break destanation for the balkan countries, however not really in western europe
Delete@12:24 What do you mean Sofia is not tourist hot spot? They are not city break destination for sure but are you aware of their huge winter tourism? I was refering to the new pax Ryanair could bring, of course they can fight for the same passengers JU and Wizz already do, but what's good for the airport and market of that fight (short-term benefit would be lower fares, but only short-term). If the idea is to have Air Serbia, Wizz and Ryan coexisting and developing Belgrade, than new P2P pax is needed. And with some state help, inbound tourism is my best bet. I still think Belgrade offers more than Zagreb as a city break destination, I just wait for someone to prove it already.
Delete@ 13:51 Belgrade actually had 100k more tourists than Zagreb last year.
DeleteSomething I brought up a couple of times to 'Analitičar' but somehow he refused to publish it :)
It's tricky these years since many Russians still don't have papers, many are "tourists" in the statistics. Belgrade sees a lot of tourists from the region and Turkey, Zagreb is more fly-in city break destination (was even before Ryan came). There is much room for development of Belgrade as city break destination.
Delete@13:51 I think your overestimating the size of the tourism in Sofia, cause a quick look up online will show you Belgrade having 1.17mil and Sofia around 900k tourists last year. Of course SOF serves a wider area than just the city, but so does BEG.
DeleteIf anything I'd say Sofia is the closest city in so many aspects comparable to Belgrade - the size, it's economy, catchment area, even tourism. So it's a fair comparison in aviation terms with the interest Ryanair could have in each. Not arguing it's the same, cause there's a difference in the strong national carrier, but the market potential is similar
Ryanair operates in four out of seven markets in the former Yugoslavia, the exceptions being Slovenia, Macedonia and Kosovo.
ReplyDeleteWell done Slovenia. Oh wait, SLO's going to save everything with a "national" carrier. While FR is good enough for Vienna and Berlin, it's not good enough for LJU!
Well if u look pass the national borders slovenian pax has the most options for flying with Ryanair in exyu… with 1-2h max drive you have 7 airports with Ryanair… and no border control…
DeleteZagreb
Trieste
Klagenfurt
Venice MP
Venice Treviso
Rijeka
Pula
^then just close LJU. Great idea!
DeleteChill bro. No one said that. Its just a fact there are many options around. More than in lets say podgorica
DeleteTheir cheap asses should do more in Belgrade
ReplyDeleteWell anything they do in Belgrade would be much more than now as they do absolutely nothing.
DeleteShame.
I think FR may start in Belgrade with Bratislava, Manchester, Dublin, Glasgow, Bremen, Helsinki, Nantes, Roterdam, Gdansk…
DeleteThat's pretty random
Delete:D:D:D especially Nantes
DeleteSerbian dispora is pretty strong in western France, which is totally unserved. It may be also Rennes or Bordeaux, which is matter of research
DeleteWhen will they announce their finalized summer schedule?
ReplyDeleteIt is already middle of December and they still do not have tickets in sales for most of the flights after March next year.
What do you mean? They have tickets on sale for most routes until the end of October next year.
DeleteI was looking the flights from HHN and for the most of destinations I can't find any flight after March 2023. Therefore I thought it is the same for all the other cities, but it seems I was wrong.
DeleteFor some other starting points Ryanair has indeed entered the flights in SUTT 2024.
if they ever come to SKP and BEG that will not be with one or two routes only
ReplyDeleteThey can not dominate the region if they do not fly to a flagship airport in Ex-Yu that is en-route to hit 10 million passengers by the decade end. End of story. Pay up!
ReplyDeleteFully agree!
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It seems just that some rejects to see it. Sad.
they also dont fly to LHR ...
DeleteBelgrade may be flagship airport (although I'm not sure there's something like that), but Croatian cost is a true pax and money driver, not Belgrade. The figures don't lie, Belgrade just doesn't make 50+% of regional traffic. So, technically, Ryanair can be dominant in the region without flying to Belgrade at all. That's strictly business wise, but I understand some people could have other reasoning.
DeleteI wonder how W6, FR, U2, DY... do not base any plane on Croatian coast.
DeleteThen you'll be surprised to find out Ryan does base planes on Croatian coast, namely in Zadar and, as of next year, in Dubrovnik too.
DeletePeople in Ex-Yu think Belgrade is some mega super star airport, but by European standards it is completely unsignificant. As is the whole of Ex-Yu to be honest.
DeleteEuropean standards are a joke in many areas on a global scale?
DeleteLike what areas for example?
Do tell.
@15.46
DeleteUnfortunatelly most of ex-yu youth, brainwashed by their domicile criminal organizations, don't understand what you talk about. And also, I believe it was not entirely our decision, New World Order creators had much more to do with it than we did
Wizz is also geting new planes ...
ReplyDeleteYes, and they have already started looking into previously Ryan-driven markets. With limited success, like Ryan in (South)Eastern Europe. But Ryanair makes much better financial results.
Deletethis is an article about exyu region...
DeleteNo one could dominate Ex Yu market unless it is dominate at both BEG and coast at same time.
ReplyDeleteThe thing is businesses don't go for "dominating" in their strategies, that's even illegal usually. Plus, I don't think major European airlines consider this part of Europe as "region", they look into specific markets that are really different (some are touristic, some not; some are in EU, some not...). Aviation is not soda production where it's almost the same process in selling can of soda in Croatia and in Serbia. You can do it from Atlanta if you want. With service industries like aviation, it's much different - you can't sell quickly same product in Croatia if it doesn't go well in Serbia. So, "region" is OK for the journalism purposes, for some FMCG businesses etc. but not for aviation. Our region does not exist in aviation.
DeleteFinally a sensible comment here.
DeleteYes! The word “in the region” would be misleading to use if are talking about different aviation markets in ex-Yu.
DeleteIts not like music where you can say without any doubt: “Jelena Rozga je jedna od najpopularnijih pevačica u regionu”😊
Exactly. In music, many consider the region as one same playground. In basketball too, we have the regional league. In, I don't know, laundry detergent industry it is good to consider region as a market, that brings you lower costs. But in aviation, the regional market does not exist. Sure, people from aviation industry have regional summits etc. but in doing business we are all different markets so putting together Croatian coast and Belgrade at the same market doesn't have business logic.
DeleteAlways same repeated comments from the same guy who says Ryan must operate to Belgrade but never says Wizz must operate to Zagreb.
ReplyDeleteHe always posts many variations of that comment as he can't stand the rise of BEG and Air Serbia over his airport and airline. In aviation as in other fields, some people are motivated by jealousy, hate or evil. As the saying goes, the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
DeleteI would not prohibit Raynair to operate in any airport. Prohibition does not work.
ReplyDeleteIf any passengers on Ryanair flights gets intoxicated while on holidays i would lock them up for 24 hours, pay the $500 fine and offered them a tea. Because they are sick. That woukd solve the problem.
And what's the problem? (I guess I will regret asking)
DeleteHow many times do I have to say that we have contracts with TRS..... FR covers Slovenia via Trieste. I talked to them, the people at TRS agree to common use.
ReplyDeleteWhat are some here talking about? I worked and lived in Koper, only good impressions! Fuck you communism. Why did it stick in people's heads!!!?? Dill is like my hometown.
Koper *
DeleteZona A, Zona B, biće...
Delete.. naše obadvije.. A kad tamo.....
DeleteWow! ZAG-STN already on sale for 2025 on the FR app! The flights are back to daily with no second flight on Wednesdays and Sundays compared to summer. It seems the London route is performing quite well if they decided to extend it until March 2025.
ReplyDeleteRyanair took a lot of places from Wizz over the years. They took Poland, they took Lithuania, they took Prague, they took Hungary, they will take TIA eventually. It's only a question of time to dominate all markets of Wizz. There is a reason Wizz tries to escape to the east (Abu Dhabi and beyond).
ReplyDeleteThey didn't take anything
DeleteSo what, it's a free market. You're making it sound like Wizz Air is inexistent in Lithuania, Prague let alone Hungary and Albania. Their presence is very good
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